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#52 Oct 04 2005 at 7:37 AM Rating: Good


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please think clearly before you make such a blind statement and assumption about those with special needs. Not every one of them is lacking in IQ.


I think what I said was misunderstood. I agree with this, which is why I said that. What I was trying to say was that maybe a parent would not want their child taken out of a normal classroom because they would be afraid that their child would end up in a classroom with other special needs children, some of whom are slower learners. The one special needs class my public school system had was mostly filled with slower learners, and that would not be fair to a child that only had a hearing problem.

#53 Oct 04 2005 at 8:33 PM Rating: Default
Barbarism is the only way to go in situations like this. I let kids mess with me for like the first 12 years of my life. I was even bigger than most of them, I was just too timid because of the psycho-babble bull my mom had fed me. Violence isn't always the answer, but when your a kid, it is quite often.
#54 Oct 05 2005 at 1:32 PM Rating: Default
its pretty horrible that the teachers at this preschool wont do anything about your kid being hit. In my opinion you should be proud of your son because he did the responsible thing and told you and the teacher, but enough is enough either your kid has to hit back (which i would have done the first time, im not very responsible =D ) or your gonna have to talk directly to the other kids parents maybe they can do something. If that doesnt work then you may have to take your kid out of that school because it must be hell to be too responsible to resort to violence when your bein bullied. IF you dont want to do that then go to the school and kick that kids *** yourself lol
#55 Oct 05 2005 at 1:48 PM Rating: Default
as a parent with two children that went through similar things at differant stages during preschool, i can only tell you what we did. one situation was a class biter, the other was a child constantly pushing one of my children to the ground during play time.

we broght it to the teachers attention. when that didnt work, we requested a parent teacher conferance with the principal. for the biter, this worked. the school had a no-biting policy, and the school got with the parent of the biter nad flat out told her, either her kid stops biting, or he leaves the school. they did offer her counseling on how to correct the situation.

9 times out of 10, the problem origonates in the home, not the school. it is in the home the problem needs to be corrected. this you cannot do.

if the school will not deal with the problem, find another school. the potential problem of not leaving is making your child develop long term negative association with school. fear of school. that is bad.

for the child pushing my daughter to the ground, the solution was even easier. she has always been big for her age. a good 3 inches taller than all the other 3 and 4 year olds. and she is mean. what i did was wrong. i know it was. i told her to tell the teacher. after she did, and it did not stop, i told her to push him back even harder. after a parent teacher meeting saying how shoving another child into a concrete wall was unacceptable for my daughter to do, and how she said i told her she could, i reverted back to telling her to tell a teacher....twice next time.

the school took care of the biter. my daughter took care of the pusher.
#56 Oct 05 2005 at 7:05 PM Rating: Good
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The nice thing about having 7 older siblings, is that my verbal and verbal self defense skills were very well developed by the time I got to school. In other words, I could be a very lippy little girl when required, though I was normally very well behaved.

Kids rarely tried to pick on me a second time and never got far with their first attempt.

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#57 Oct 05 2005 at 9:02 PM Rating: Decent
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In school, I have a failproof way of getting kids to stop bullying and pestering me.

Next time your kid gets hit, don't go to a teacher, or hit him back, but stand there, hold a hand over the spot where he was hit, point at the bully, and cry. Scream as loud as he can. Make sure he gets a teacher's attention. Played right, and the bully will be in the principal's office by noon.

Although, my way is more of "stand up, look at the teachers, then point at the morons, then say, 'make them quit it!' with a kind of angry look on my face. Sometimes a swear. Teachers will make them pay every time.

Edited, Wed Oct 5 22:16:11 2005 by Merodii
#58 Oct 05 2005 at 9:10 PM Rating: Decent
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That last one doesnt always work. In junior high, there was a kid who sat behind me in english, literrally every 10 seconds he would say I was gay. I told the teacher atleast 50 times, finally one day I snapped stood up and shouted at the kid too shut up. I got a 3 day suspension.
#59 Oct 05 2005 at 9:15 PM Rating: Good
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DSD, I just want to say I'm sorry. I've really tried to make my little angel behave, but his father is teaching him all these bad habits. Smiley: frown Still friends??

don't tell on my little boy! Smiley: cry
#60 Oct 06 2005 at 3:31 PM Rating: Decent
The best thing to do probably would be to fight back here. It isn't always though, last year at school i had someone who i was complaining about for 4 weeks to the head of year because he was tearing my bag and destroying my equipment, nothing was done so after a month of this i let him have it. 1 jab and he found himself with a swollen eye in hospital (first time i have ever hit anyone). Ever since then guess how many problems he has been causing...

Violence isn't always the answer but sometimes a good jab on the nose will solve more than the system when it fails.
#61 Oct 12 2005 at 5:07 AM Rating: Default
Ok so what happened? You kid knock the other kid out? Principal remove the kid from the class? Cat fight with the kids mom? What?
#62 Oct 12 2005 at 10:17 AM Rating: Good
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Lawyer.

Lawyer, lawyer, lawyer, lawyer, lawyer.

You can talk to the school and their assorted cadre of apologists all you want, but if there's anything the last few years of bully-complaints have taught us, it's that the only way to solve these things is with a lawyer.

If this is the kind of "school" where they would accept a child who is already three and can't (or won't) talk and only knows to hit people, believe me, they're not going to care that your kid (or who knows how many other kids) are getting hit. And having your kid hit the hitter back isn't going to solve anything. Preverbal kids who hit to express frustration have already gotten hit enough at home to make one more person hitting them not matter (I've learned this the hard way - tip to all would-be parents: Spanking *really* doesn't work).

Nope, the only way to solve the problem is to get this kid out of your son's school and the only way to do that is to have a lawyer inform them on your behalf that you're going to ask a court to force them (listing punitive damages never hurt anyone either).

Although if you really, *really* wanted to be a b*tch about it, you could always call Child Protective Services on the hitter-kid's parents, because I'd bet a million-zillion dollars that they smack this kid around a pretty good deal (unless the kid is honest to god retarded or autistic or something).
#63 Oct 12 2005 at 11:43 AM Rating: Good
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update for you all in case anyone is actually bored enough to read this:

I sent a note to school today, along with a notebook asking the teacher to please note any situations that may happen, why it happened and what was done about it so I could then talk to my son more in depth about what is going on with this child. The teacher had asked me at last weeks meeting to help my son understand special needs children better but as I dont know the full story of whats going on its hard for me to explain what I dont know.

I was met at the front steps by the teachers aid ( the bi[/b]tch was too scared to talk to me face to face I assume) and curtly told me they would not do anything of the sort unless I had another meeting with the principal. I was then informed there hadbeen no incidents in the past two weeks which I debunked having had multiple witnesses confirm my sons stories over the past couple weeks of being hit several times. I also explained that these two differing explanations were exactly why I wanted open communication betwen the teacher and parents so we could be on the same page. Teh teachers aid told me it would not happen unless I had the principals permission. Ive already called her and am awaiting her call back.


I have been researching several groups and talked with many professionals and sadly I am in a hard spot with little to help me. As I am the only one complaining, and this is against a school helping a special needs child, unfortunately there are no groups out there to help me advocate for my son. The best I will be able to do is bring a negligance charge through the dept of education against the school and to find another preschool.

Right now I am spitting nails, so be prepared for an ultra bi[b]
tchy DSD in the next coming week.
#64 Oct 12 2005 at 8:03 PM Rating: Good
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You may want to consider contacting your local United Way office. Actually, it would be more helpful if the mother of the hitter would get help from them.

Otherwise, do you know the parents of any of the other kids getting hit? If so, talk to them. I know people absolutely hate to make waves, but is really really unacceptable for this kid to be hitting the other kids. And it's silly for everyone in this situation to act helpless in the face of a child nobody's controlling. I really think if you could get even 3 parents to talk to the principal at the same time she'd find it a little more difficult to blow you off.

Quit trying to cure this with the teacher. It won't work. It'll simply continue to be a situation of your word against theirs. As there are two of them, guess who is winning? In the meantime, your hesitance to talk to the principal is leaving your son in the situation.

Remember, Lady D, you don't bit[b][/b]ch at the sales clerk when they're rude to you, if you expect action. You talk to their boss.
#65 Oct 12 2005 at 11:03 PM Rating: Good
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Yanari the Puissant wrote:
Quit trying to cure this with the teacher. It won't work. It'll simply continue to be a situation of your word against theirs. As there are two of them, guess who is winning? In the meantime, your hesitance to talk to the principal is leaving your son in the situation.

Remember, Lady D, you don't bit[b][/b]ch at the sales clerk when they're rude to you, if you expect action. You talk to their boss.

Amen. And while you're at it, quit thinking of this as a problem with the child. It's not. He has competent adults being paid to monitor, correct, and educate him. Your quarrel is that their incompetence is ruining both his chances at an education, and your son's.
#66 Oct 12 2005 at 11:27 PM Rating: Good
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I HAVE talked with the principal and she basically told me there was little assurance they could do to keep my son from being hit. That was last weeks meeting. I was able to secure monthly meetings with the teacher and principal to be kept informed.

As for other parents complaining I dont know. I think I can garuntee Im the one complaining the loudest though. I was told by the teacher that my son is not the main "target" so there are other kids getting smacked, but I havent heard much grumbling.

The mother of the child is one of those people whom, if you dont have to **** around with, you dont. Shes about 350 lbs, and could probably bounce me like a school ball if she wanted to. She hasnt seemed too approachable yet but Im watching to see if theres anyway I can try to get to know her.

Yan I'll check that place out. Thanks for the link.
#67 Oct 13 2005 at 12:34 AM Rating: Decent
What kind of fu[b][/b]cking place do you live in? If you live in a town where your kid is getting his *** kicked in pre-school it's probably a good sign you should move out.


Inner-city perhaps?
#68 Oct 14 2005 at 12:32 PM Rating: Good
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Found this link too

http://www.psparents.net/Bullying.htm

May be a good starting point to find other resources to help your son and the others out of that situation.
#69 Oct 14 2005 at 2:08 PM Rating: Good
Lady deadsidedemon wrote:

The mother of the child is one of those people whom, if you dont have to **** around with, you dont. Shes about 350 lbs, and could probably bounce me like a school ball if she wanted to.


Take this as a lesson kids, women taking steroids during pregnancy leads to mentally deficient babies who have a propensity towards uncontrollable physical violence.
#70 Oct 15 2005 at 10:34 AM Rating: Default
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I sent a note to school today, along with a notebook asking the teacher to please note any situations that may happen, why it happened and what was done about it so I could then talk to my son more in depth about what is going on with this child.


They probably think you are trying to document their incompetence for a law suit.

I would suggest you find out when the next Board of supervisors meeting is being held and address the issue with them, if the principal isn't helping to resolve the issue.

Will the school allow you to observe the class? Volunteer in the classroom? Maybe then you can see whats really happening in the class.

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What kind of ******* place do you live in? If you live in a town where your kid is getting his *** kicked in pre-school it's probably a good sign you should move out.


Inner-city perhaps?


Sadly I have seen this happen in a wide variety of schools, though mostly in elementary school level, of all sorts of socio-economic areas. In most of the cases I have seen, the parent(s) were doing little if anything to address the issue with their emotionaly/mental "challenged" child. Though I was usualy assigned through Juvinille Probation or Social Services.
#71 Oct 15 2005 at 11:51 AM Rating: Good
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Elderon wrote:
Take this as a lesson kids, women taking steroids during pregnancy leads to mentally deficient babies who have a propensity towards uncontrollable physical violence.
Smiley: lol Thanks for the morning yuk yuk.
#72 Oct 15 2005 at 12:53 PM Rating: Good
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BloodwolfeX wrote:
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I sent a note to school today, along with a notebook asking the teacher to please note any situations that may happen, why it happened and what was done about it so I could then talk to my son more in depth about what is going on with this child.


They probably think you are trying to document their incompetence for a law suit.

I would suggest you find out when the next Board of supervisors meeting is being held and address the issue with them, if the principal isn't helping to resolve the issue.

Will the school allow you to observe the class? Volunteer in the classroom? Maybe then you can see whats really happening in the class.

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What kind of ******* place do you live in? If you live in a town where your kid is getting his *** kicked in pre-school it's probably a good sign you should move out.


Inner-city perhaps?


Sadly I have seen this happen in a wide variety of schools, though mostly in elementary school level, of all sorts of socio-economic areas. In most of the cases I have seen, the parent(s) were doing little if anything to address the issue with their emotionaly/mental "challenged" child. Though I was usualy assigned through Juvinille Probation or Social Services.


Well as another update I finally reached the principal and we had ourselves a little chat. The end story is the following: I get to have daily reports from the teacher on what I wanted. I will have it written down anytime an altercation happens, why, what was done about it, etc.

I also have been given full permission to be in the classroom whenever I want. I filled out a Cori report at the beginning of the year, and the principal has told me all I have to do is call her the day before and say Im coming in. I have even offered to help volenteer in the classroom so that if the teachers are so overworked with this child, I can be there to "lift the load" and help the other kids out while they take care of the problem child.

Also, the school videotapes the classrooms on many days. it was something we had to give permission to the school prior. Im glad of it now as the principal has given me the availability of viewing my sons class whenever I wish. I am happy with what Ive been given for now. I have been given the tools to personally see and interact with what is going on in my sons school.

And no this isnt innercity. I live in a small town but the schools are so underfunded they do not have the resources to create a decent special education program.
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