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now, gbaji, you failed to mention that the Civil War, WWI and II were all necessary
I am not sure I would go that far. Do you remember how WWI started? It was really actually pretty damn retarded and in my opinion, unnecessary.
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I am not sure I would go that far. Do you remember how WWI started? It was really actually pretty damn retarded and in my opinion, unnecessary.
no, WWI itself was necessary, the start of ANY war is not.
but actually, when the leader of a country is assassinated, that country normally wants the killer caught
but actually, when the leader of a country is assassinated, that country normally wants the killer caught
Congrats on Scholar, Katie.
I gotta say that Gbaji's accusation that my post was twaddle, and the following 'explanation', as to why its ok to go off and illegally invade someone elses country, murdering tens of thousands in the process, is such a fine example of the Bushie supporters rhetoric that is being peddled by armchair warriors at the moment.
Everyone from the President himself, to his henchmen, to the so called experts in the right-wing 'think tanks', right down to the bottom feeding hacks, such as the Hannitys and Coulters of the media world, are begining to realise the absolute rottenness of this government and the disastrous failure of, not just their foreign policy, ie. the war on terror, the war without end, the war that CANNOT be won. ( I wonder who it is really, that Bush expects amongst the 'terrorists' to stand up and say "OK. we lose! We Give Up!!").
But also these same people are now aware after the Katrina disaster, that the President who got 'elected' on a platform of strong leadership, and looking after the the american people in times of trouble, has failed so completely, that the whole world watched in embarrasment as your government failed to effectively co-ordinate itself in its own backyard.
Now a sensible person with some humanity and some common sense would look around, and say to themselves "bugga! this isn't workin out too well". And It would seem that a majority of folk in the states are doing exactly that. The polls show most people now do NOT support this war. They don't support this presidents handling of the 'war on terror', and they want out.
Trouble is, people like Gbaji are blinded by their hatred of the so-called 'left', and its connection (in their own minds) with Clinton, Commies, ******, hippies, etc, that, rather than admit they were wrong and the antiwar people were right all along, they will continue to defend the indefensible, right up to and including, the torture of prisoners ( just wait until the latest photos from Abu Ghraib get released!) and while they are defending it, will attack the likes of Cindy Sheehan with as much savagery as they can muster.
The point is, these defenders and apologists for all the war, death, torture and the killing, they know, deep down that they are WRONG. They have been wrong from the beggining, and that bothers them. And rather than have to recognise that in themselves, and face up to a personal shortcoming, they will attack, spitting and flailing, blaming it all on everyone else. All the lies that these warmongers have swallowed, then regurgitated as facts to support the wholesale industrial murder of innocents in countries far away is coming back to haunt them. And you know what? they don't like it.
Sorry bout the long post, but I had to get it off my chest. I know its all about differences of opinion, at the end of the day, but an opinion that gets people killed can't be right....
"That we are to stand by the president, right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public". Theodore Roosevelt
Everyone from the President himself, to his henchmen, to the so called experts in the right-wing 'think tanks', right down to the bottom feeding hacks, such as the Hannitys and Coulters of the media world, are begining to realise the absolute rottenness of this government and the disastrous failure of, not just their foreign policy, ie. the war on terror, the war without end, the war that CANNOT be won. ( I wonder who it is really, that Bush expects amongst the 'terrorists' to stand up and say "OK. we lose! We Give Up!!").
But also these same people are now aware after the Katrina disaster, that the President who got 'elected' on a platform of strong leadership, and looking after the the american people in times of trouble, has failed so completely, that the whole world watched in embarrasment as your government failed to effectively co-ordinate itself in its own backyard.
Now a sensible person with some humanity and some common sense would look around, and say to themselves "bugga! this isn't workin out too well". And It would seem that a majority of folk in the states are doing exactly that. The polls show most people now do NOT support this war. They don't support this presidents handling of the 'war on terror', and they want out.
Trouble is, people like Gbaji are blinded by their hatred of the so-called 'left', and its connection (in their own minds) with Clinton, Commies, ******, hippies, etc, that, rather than admit they were wrong and the antiwar people were right all along, they will continue to defend the indefensible, right up to and including, the torture of prisoners ( just wait until the latest photos from Abu Ghraib get released!) and while they are defending it, will attack the likes of Cindy Sheehan with as much savagery as they can muster.
The point is, these defenders and apologists for all the war, death, torture and the killing, they know, deep down that they are WRONG. They have been wrong from the beggining, and that bothers them. And rather than have to recognise that in themselves, and face up to a personal shortcoming, they will attack, spitting and flailing, blaming it all on everyone else. All the lies that these warmongers have swallowed, then regurgitated as facts to support the wholesale industrial murder of innocents in countries far away is coming back to haunt them. And you know what? they don't like it.
Sorry bout the long post, but I had to get it off my chest. I know its all about differences of opinion, at the end of the day, but an opinion that gets people killed can't be right....
"That we are to stand by the president, right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public". Theodore Roosevelt
"If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders". Carlin.
Honey, I am so sorry. I'm the wife of a Marine. It isn't fair and it does suck. Unfortunatly there are few military wives or military members on here so many people just don't understand.
They don't know what it is like to fall asleep and wake up to CNN.
There are tons of young Marines, Soldiers, Sailors & Airmen just itching to get their ribbons & a piece of the action yet they keep sending the same guys over and over. in my neighborhood we have a spouse thats wife has just gotten back late from iraq - she had an infected spider bite that delayed her at the embassy in Bagdad and now they want to send her out in a few months. Her husband has been through 3 deployments with her, this will be 4. 2 to Iraq and 1 to Japan (those 1 year unaccompanied things)
I know this sucks horribly; 1 more year and you will never ever deal with this again.
My heart goes out to you & your family.
**Fort Drum? as in Watertown? my hubby is from Boonville(Rome).
Edited, Mon Oct 3 01:14:53 2005 by niobia
They don't know what it is like to fall asleep and wake up to CNN.
There are tons of young Marines, Soldiers, Sailors & Airmen just itching to get their ribbons & a piece of the action yet they keep sending the same guys over and over. in my neighborhood we have a spouse thats wife has just gotten back late from iraq - she had an infected spider bite that delayed her at the embassy in Bagdad and now they want to send her out in a few months. Her husband has been through 3 deployments with her, this will be 4. 2 to Iraq and 1 to Japan (those 1 year unaccompanied things)
I know this sucks horribly; 1 more year and you will never ever deal with this again.
My heart goes out to you & your family.
**Fort Drum? as in Watertown? my hubby is from Boonville(Rome).
Edited, Mon Oct 3 01:14:53 2005 by niobia
your husband is a lucky man to have a wife like you. behind every good marine or soldier is always a good wife. we couldn't make it through without you. thank you.
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I gotta say that Gbaji's accusation that my post was twaddle, and the following 'explanation', as to why its ok to go off and illegally invade someone elses country, murdering tens of thousands in the process, is such a fine example of the Bushie supporters rhetoric that is being peddled by armchair warriors at the moment.
Wow. Funny. Notice how the first two bolded words and the third go nicely together?
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Everyone from the President himself, to his henchmen, to the so called experts in the right-wing 'think tanks', right down to the bottom feeding hacks, such as the Hannitys and Coulters of the media world, are begining to realise the absolute rottenness of this government and the disastrous failure of, not just their foreign policy, ie. the war on terror, the war without end, the war that CANNOT be won. ( I wonder who it is really, that Bush expects amongst the 'terrorists' to stand up and say "OK. we lose! We Give Up!!").
Hmmm... Not even sure what to do with this. Let's see. Democratic elections in Afghanistan. Guess that's a failure. Oh wait! It isn't, but that's why the Libs will just be really quiet about it. Democratic elections in Iraq. That's a failure too! Oh wait... It's not either, so let's ignore those and focus on "problems" with that democracy. Let's focus on terrorist attacks in that country and call the whole thing a failure.
When you come up with a beter way of handling ME terrorism, let us know.
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But also these same people are now aware after the Katrina disaster, that the President who got 'elected' on a platform of strong leadership, and looking after the the american people in times of trouble, has failed so completely, that the whole world watched in embarrasment as your government failed to effectively co-ordinate itself in its own backyard.
Yes. Because a hurricane has soooo much in common with international terrorism. Got it. What were we saying about rhetoric?
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Now a sensible person with some humanity and some common sense would look around, and say to themselves "bugga! this isn't workin out too well". And It would seem that a majority of folk in the states are doing exactly that. The polls show most people now do NOT support this war. They don't support this presidents handling of the 'war on terror', and they want out.
A sensible person would realize just how flawed the logic you are using is.
Funny how you're essentially arguing that we *shouldn't* have changed approaches with regards to terrorism. Apparently, the last 40 years have been a bang up success. Doubly strange that you're so quick to say "Bugga! this isn't working", after 4 years, and go right back to the methods that failed for 40. Strange. but that's how a sensible person sees it.
Ever consider that your own partisanship is blinding you to what's really going on?
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Trouble is, people like Gbaji are blinded by their hatred of the so-called 'left', and its connection (in their own minds) with Clinton, Commies, ******, hippies, etc, that, rather than admit they were wrong and the antiwar people were right all along, they will continue to defend the indefensible, right up to and including, the torture of prisoners ( just wait until the latest photos from Abu Ghraib get released!) and while they are defending it, will attack the likes of Cindy Sheehan with as much savagery as they can muster.
How about you admit that the methods used for the last 40 years were an horrible failure? Your hatred for the right is causing you to automatically attack them for anything you can think of without actually looking at whether something is succeeding or failing. Your litmus test is purely whether it's being done by the right, and if so, then it must be wrong.
I'm serious here. Step back and listen to yourself. You aren't opposed to the war. You're opposed to the Republicans. It's really that obvious.
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The point is, these defenders and apologists for all the war, death, torture and the killing, they know, deep down that they are WRONG. They have been wrong from the beggining, and that bothers them. And rather than have to recognise that in themselves, and face up to a personal shortcoming, they will attack, spitting and flailing, blaming it all on everyone else. All the lies that these warmongers have swallowed, then regurgitated as facts to support the wholesale industrial murder of innocents in countries far away is coming back to haunt them. And you know what? they don't like it.
Do you really believe this? You are truely delusional. It must be wonderful to see the world through Liberal tinted glasses. Everyone really thinks like you do, but some people choose to be "evil" and be Conservative? Is that it? The world really isn't that black and white...
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Sorry bout the long post, but I had to get it off my chest. I know its all about differences of opinion, at the end of the day, but an opinion that gets people killed can't be right....
It's not about opinion. It's about policy. The approach to terrorism we've used for the last 40 years has resulted in a long string of attacks, which have steadily gotten worse. Yes. Those policy changes are "getting people killed". But hopefully, they may result in fewer people getting killed in the years to come. Do you think if we'd changed nothing that terrorist attacks would hvave stopped? Or gotten worse still? Take an honest look at the trend and then try to defend your position.
Sometimes it's ncecessary to kill people now to save more people in the long run. Ultimately, that's what war is about. And it's *exactly* the right reason to conduct war. As oppposed to fighting over land, or wealth, or control.
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"That we are to stand by the president, right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public". Theodore Roosevelt
Great! I happen to think that Bush's foregn policy approach to terrorism is the right one. It's certainly better then what we had been doing. Who are you to imply I'm unpatriotic, servile and morally treasonable simply becuase I don't agree with you? Remember that whole rhetoric bit? That's just more.
How about you actually *defend* your position instead of attacking those who disagree with you? Wouldn't that be a refreshing change...
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i feel for you.
the fact that this particular war was unnecessary to begin with im sure makes it that much worse.
welcome to the moral majority.
mabe if enough of you get sick of whats going on enough to PAY ATTENTION to just who and what you are voting for NEXT TIME, mabe this wont have to happen again.
and inspite of the overwhelming lack of support for this war, the "D" minus response to two natural disasters, indictments for this addministraition outing carreer government professionals, and recent proof this addministraition used military assets to send prisoners to other countries to be tortured against U.S. law,....
still no recall effort.
i guess your just not quite sick enough of it yet. or you are still not paying attention.
either way, we are getting exactly what we deserve.
the fact that this particular war was unnecessary to begin with im sure makes it that much worse.
welcome to the moral majority.
mabe if enough of you get sick of whats going on enough to PAY ATTENTION to just who and what you are voting for NEXT TIME, mabe this wont have to happen again.
and inspite of the overwhelming lack of support for this war, the "D" minus response to two natural disasters, indictments for this addministraition outing carreer government professionals, and recent proof this addministraition used military assets to send prisoners to other countries to be tortured against U.S. law,....
still no recall effort.
i guess your just not quite sick enough of it yet. or you are still not paying attention.
either way, we are getting exactly what we deserve.
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i guess your just not quite sick enough of it yet. or you are still not paying attention.
I don't know who exactly you are saying "you" to. What are you doing about it?
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