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#27 Sep 28 2005 at 2:23 PM Rating: Good
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In short, yes.
#28 Sep 28 2005 at 2:24 PM Rating: Good
bodhisattva Defender of Justice wrote:
To get back on track though did you guys also hear about Bill Frist being under investigation for selling stock in the hospital his family owns right before it took a dive?
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#29 Sep 28 2005 at 2:26 PM Rating: Good
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bodhisattva Defender of Justice wrote:
To get back on track though did you guys also hear about Bill Frist being under investigation for selling stock in the hospital his family owns right before it took a dive?

The Frist sale seems legit based on the early news articles.


#30 Sep 28 2005 at 2:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah I havent had much time to read up on it either because Im packing for the move or I'm playing EQ.

Seeing as how it hadnt seen much mainstream media attention i figured it for being "iffy"
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#31 Sep 28 2005 at 2:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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I've seen a couple stories about it (CNN & The Paper That Shall Not Be Named) but it's still in the "beginning investigation" phase so I imagine there's not much news to be had aside from the point that it's happening. TPTSNBN had a story about the SEC chief stepping aside on the investigation to avoid a conflict of interest as he's apparently involved in the GOP.
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#32 Sep 28 2005 at 2:41 PM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
I've seen a couple stories about it (CNN & The Paper That Shall Not Be Named) but it's still in the "beginning investigation" phase so I imagine there's not much news to be had aside from the point that it's happening. TPTSNBN had a story about the SEC chief stepping aside on the investigation to avoid a conflict of interest as he's apparently involved in the GOP.


Now if only Ashcroft had done that during the whole Plame ordeal since he had paid over 750,000 dollars in consulting fees to one of those being investigated (Rove) yet he still demanded weekly briefings and all the information.
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#33 Sep 28 2005 at 7:13 PM Rating: Good
He was indicted in Texas...

There's no chance in hell he's getting convicted.

I wouldn't get your hopes up. It's not like he got a ********...
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#34 Sep 28 2005 at 7:32 PM Rating: Good
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AP News wire wrote:
DeLay, know as "the Hammer" on Capitol Hill, came out swinging and proclaimed his innocence after word broke that a Texas grand jury charged him and two associates with violating a law banning corporate contributions to state candidates.

The charge came after a long investigation by Democratic district attorney Ronald Earle that DeLay has always portrayed as a political witch hunt.

"I have done nothing wrong," said DeLay, calling Earle a "rogue prosecutor" and a "partisan fanatic."

"I am innocent," he said. "This is one of the weakest, most baseless indictments in American history. It's a sham."

Said Earle: "My job is to prosecute felonies. I'm doing my job."

Republicans expressed support for DeLay as they selected Roy Blunt from Missouri, the current party whip in the House, to fill in temporarily.

The White House also stuck by DeLay, calling him "a good ally, a leader who we have worked closely with to get things done for the American people."

"I think the president's view is that we need to let the legal process work," said press secretary Scott McClellan.

DeLay, who will keep his seat representing Houston suburbs, vowed he'll be back, saying Democrats won't be able to disrupt the party's agenda.

But some analysts don't see it that way, especially since Republicans have other high-profile ethical concerns.

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist is facing questions about the timing of a stock sale in a family-owned business.

Karl Rove, White House chief of staff, has been embroiled in controversy over the outing of CIA agent Valerie Plame.

And a top federal procurement officer appointed by Bush was arrested this month on charges that he made false statements and obstructed a federal investigation into a golfing junket arranged by lobbyist Jack Abramoff.

DeLay, 58, has long been at the centre of controversy. He was admonished three times last year by the House ethics committee for his conduct on three separate issues.

Now a Senate panel is pursuing his ties to Abramoff and questions about who paid the bills for DeLay's expensive overseas travel.

"The Republicans can't focus right now," said Charles Cushman, a politics professor at George Washington University.

"You've got this swirling set of accusations about greed, corruption and graft. This is going to follow them right up to the 2008 election. It's going to hurt a lot."

Democrat Nancy Pelosi, House minority leader, was quick off the mark Wednesday.

"The criminal indictment . . . is the latest example that Republicans in Congress are plagued by a culture of corruption at the expense of the American people," she said in a statement.

The indictment accuses DeLay of accepting $155,000 US from companies and funnelling it through the
Republican National Committee back to Texas state candidates, violating laws outlawing corporate donations.

It's a state felony punishable by up to two years in jail and a fine of up to $10,000.


Well, he stepped down as he should have. I guess it's watch and see, although those who know DeLay on the Hill know he's no Boy Scout. It's not unlikely.
#35 Sep 29 2005 at 9:38 AM Rating: Decent
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Now if the Supreme Court would get their priorities straight and stop oggling Anna Nicole Smith and hear a real case about the Texas Redistricting nonsense then things might actually start making sense again.

Nope Renquists gone bring on Anna!
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#37 Sep 29 2005 at 10:11 AM Rating: Decent
Texas was redistricted back when Ann Richards was governor. Redistricting is a dirty game played by both sides of the aisle. It has always been bullsh[/u]t but thats what you get when you dont take third party nominees seriously.

Anyways, I'd be willing to take some friendly wagers on whether or not DeLay will skip on past this indictment squeaky clean. Have any pf you actually read the text? They don't have shi[/u]t on him. He only stepped down because those are the rules with the party. He had no choice but to step down. Personally, if I were him, I would have stayed and started barking like a bull-dog. This indictment is so limp wristed it makes Bhodi look like a lumberjack.



j/k Bhodi.

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#38 Sep 29 2005 at 10:27 AM Rating: Excellent
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The indictment only needs to show enough to give cause for a trial. It's supposed to be brief, not lay out the entire case. I've no idea if DeLay is guilty or not but I wouldn't base my guesses on a short four page PDF.

There's an article in TPTSNBN about Earle and his past political cases. Apparently 12 of the 15 politicians he's gone after have been Democrats. "Fanatic partisan" might make for a nice buzz-phrase in your public defense but I'm not seeing where it holds water.
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#39 Sep 29 2005 at 12:05 PM Rating: Decent
This is true, but you could indict a duck on a conspiracy charge. Personally, I'd like to see DeLay put behind bars, but this case looks way too weak right from the start. After this case, DeLay will be untouchable, and that is what I really hate.
#40 Sep 29 2005 at 4:49 PM Rating: Good
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The indictment only needs to show enough to give cause for a trial. It's supposed to be brief, not lay out the entire case. I've no idea if DeLay is guilty or not but I wouldn't base my guesses on a short four page PDF.


Yeah. However, you usually expect the indictment to at least mention how the indicted person was actually involved in whatever crime is being purported. Doesn't need to provide the evidence, but something like "The defendant was personally involved in funneling money from pointA to pointB...". I haven't gone over the indictment myself, so I'm not going to make any absolute statements about this, but from what I've heard, none of the allegations actually mention him directly or his direct involvement.

Again. I'll need to read it over when I get some time, but it sounds like they built a wonderful case for investigating him, but not for actually indicting him. Could just be lost in translation though.


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There's an article in TPTSNBN about Earle and his past political cases. Apparently 12 of the 15 politicians he's gone after have been Democrats. "Fanatic partisan" might make for a nice buzz-phrase in your public defense but I'm not seeing where it holds water.


I haven't heard him described as a partisan fanatic. What I'd heard is that he and DeLay have a history, and Earle has made it personal to go after DeLay. Not all attacks have to be about party lines. Could be that this guy goes after people who **** him off for some reason. Dunno. I can only repeat what I heard, and it wasn't that he was a partisan fanatic, but just a fanatic in general.
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#41 Sep 29 2005 at 5:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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"Let me be very clear, I have done nothing wrong," said DeLay, calling the indictment "a sham," "baseless" and "political retribution" by a "partisan fanatic." -- AP
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#42 Sep 29 2005 at 6:48 PM Rating: Good
Found this interesting:

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Question: Who sought the indictment?

Answer: The Texas grand jury was convened by Ronnie Earle, the Democratic district attorney of Travis County, which includes Austin. Earle has a reputation as an aggressive prosecutor, and Republicans view him as partisan. Earle points out that he also has prosecuted a number of prominent Democrats, including a former Texas House speaker and a former state attorney general.

Q: What does the indictment accuse DeLay of?

A: The indictment depicts a conspiracy among DeLay and two political associates, James Ellis and John Colyandro, to funnel political contributions from corporations to candidates for the Texas Legislature. Texas, like many states and the federal government, prohibits corporations from donating to political campaigns to prevent the appearance of undue influence on policymaking.

Q: How did it happen?

A: Prosecutors say DeLay set up a political committee, Texans for a Republican Majority, to collect corporate contributions. The indictment mentions six companies, including Sears, Roebuck & Co., that gave a total of $155,000. The money was sent to the Republican National Committee in Washington with instructions to send checks to seven candidates for Texas legislative seats. The indictment does not specify who wrote the instructions. The indictment contends that the RNC laundered the corporate funds by substituting dollars raised from individuals.

Q: What was DeLay's role?

A: The indictment leaves that unclear. It states that the three men entered into an agreement to carry out the scheme in September 2002, but it does not provide any evidence.

Q: What was the plan's purpose?

A: To ensure Republicans would control the Legislature so they could be in charge of redrawing the map of U.S. House districts in Texas after the 2002 elections.

Q: Did it work?

A: Yes. Republicans gained control of the Legislature and the GOP gained five U.S. House seats in the new map, bolstering the party's majority in Washington.

Q: What happens next?

A: The case will go to a Texas judge, who will oversee when and how it goes to trial. The timing will be politically important if the case drags into 2006, an election year for House seats. In the meantime, DeLay will be sidelined from his leadership post. House rules that require an indicted leader to step down.


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#43 Sep 30 2005 at 5:31 PM Rating: Good
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"Let me be very clear, I have done nothing wrong," said DeLay, calling the indictment "a sham," "baseless" and "political retribution" by a "partisan fanatic." -- AP


Bah! Quoting DeLay himself? Totally irrelevant. You're coming in from left field on that one Joph. Honestly... Um. Yeah... ;)


Hehee. Like I said. I've not really paid much attention to this other then bits on the news. Not like I scour the news sites looking for up to the second quotes or anything.


But I still find it interesting that the idictment doesn't actually charge DeLay with a crime, or show how he's involved in anything criminal. I'll state off the bat that I'm no expert on Grand Jury proceedings, but I would expect that they are similar to those cases without Grand Jury process (where DA determines sufficient evidence for charges and trial), and an indictment is supposed to occur when there is sufficient evidence that a crime has been committed by an individual that a trial is warranted. It really looks more like they've just dug up enough questionable stuff to investigate this organization, but not enough to actually press charges against DeLay.

There's a heck of a lot of rhetoric going on about this right now, so it's hard to be sure which "facts" are just spin. But I have a suspicion that this will backfire badly on the Dems. Yeah. A Grand Jury is supposedly non-political, but if the rummors are true that Earle has pursued this by simply re-writing charges and convening grand jury after grand jury until one would grant indictment against DeLay, then there's potentially a serious problem. Whether Earle is partisan himself or not, one then has only to look at who he's working for *now* to figure out who's to blame. Like it or not, while it was just grand jury stuff this was all low enough profile that most people weren't aware of it, now that there's an indictment, the profile will increase, and that may actually hurt Earle and the Democrats more then DeLay in the long run.

We'll see how this goes. But based on what I've seen so far, I can't imagine how a conviction against DeLay is possible. Unless they're hiding a bunch of evidence, I just don't see it.
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TPTSNBN wrote:
Six days after an indictment of Rep. Tom DeLay on conspiracy charges roiled the political establishment, a new grand jury issued a second indictment Monday, charging him with the far more serious crime of money laundering.

Under the internal rules of the Republican Party, the conspiracy indictment forced DeLay (R-Texas) to step down from his position as House majority leader. That charge, a fourth-degree felony punishable by a state prison term of two years, came from a probe into allegations that DeLay and his lieutenants had illegally funneled corporate money into the bank accounts of Republican state candidates.

DeLay has been defiant, saying the conspiracy charge was the result of a political vendetta and vowing that he would soon be vindicated and reassume his position.

DeLay called Monday's charges "an abomination of justice." A grand jury issued an indictment charging DeLay with conspiracy to commit money laundering, a second-degree felony, and money laundering, a first-degree felony.

"This is serious stuff," said University of Texas law professor George Dix. "They have obviously upped the ante."

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#45 Oct 04 2005 at 9:08 AM Rating: Good


I just heard him on the phone on CNN, I wish I had heard the entire quote, all I caught was the tail end. He was laughing and couldn't get through the last few words easily, and said that "he's making the keystone cops look good", I am assuming talking about the prosecutor in Texas.

I am not sure I would be laughing so hard....


#46 Oct 04 2005 at 9:23 AM Rating: Good
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We'll see how this goes. But based on what I've seen so far, I can't imagine how a conviction against DeLay is possible. Unless they're hiding a bunch of evidence, I just don't see it.

You know, something tells me that even if they show all the evidence in the world, you still wouldn't see it.
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