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I hope the Ex-Fema director gets CrucifiedFollow

#1 Sep 27 2005 at 6:13 PM Rating: Default
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CNN wrote:
Brown told congressional investigators Monday that he is being paid as a consultant to help FEMA assess what went wrong in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, according to a senior official familiar with the meeting.

Hes being paid to tell them how he ****** up.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/27/brown.fema/index.html

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CBC wrote:
The former director of the U.S. Federal Emergency Management Agency said he's not to blame for the mistakes in relation to the relief and rescue efforts surrounding Hurricane Katrina.

Speaking in Washington to members of Congress, Michael Brown did say his "biggest mistake" dealing with the hurricane was not seeing earlier that Louisiana was "dysfunctional."

He pointed the finger at Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco and New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin for the most serious problems that emerged.


http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2005/09/27/brown_kristina_20050927.html

Thankfully it seems the US Congressional Committee aint buying it.

I want to see this guy go down in the worst possible way.

Edited, Tue Sep 27 19:26:26 2005 by bhodisattva
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#2 Sep 27 2005 at 6:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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I want to see this guy go down in the worst possible way.


Man-eating horses are never something to wish on ANYONE.
#3 Sep 27 2005 at 6:41 PM Rating: Good
bhodisattva wrote:

I want to see this guy go down on Katie in the worst possible way.


FTFY
#4 Sep 27 2005 at 6:42 PM Rating: Good
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Elderon the Wise wrote:
bhodisattva wrote:

I want to see this guy go down on Katie in the worst possible way.


FTFY

Weak.
#5 Sep 27 2005 at 6:48 PM Rating: Decent
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FEMA is putting my parents out of business.

Seriously.
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#6 Sep 27 2005 at 6:48 PM Rating: Good
The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
Elderon the Wise wrote:
bhodisattva wrote:

I want to see this guy go down on Katie in the worst possible way.


FTFY

Weak.

Ok, ok.

bhodisattva wrote:

I want to see this guy go down on Flea'lo, after she takes on the entire second string of the 49er's, in the worst possible way.


Better?





Edited, Tue Sep 27 19:55:10 2005 by Elderon
#7 Sep 27 2005 at 6:52 PM Rating: Excellent
Harlot.
#8 Sep 27 2005 at 6:53 PM Rating: Good
Chand the Furtive wrote:
Harlot.


It's hartlotX, get it right. You sure have a fetish for that. Smiley: dubious
#9 Sep 27 2005 at 6:54 PM Rating: Default
The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
Elderon the Wise wrote:
bhodisattva wrote:

I want to see this guy go down on Katie in the worst possible way.


FTFY

Weak.


Seems like shakespeare compared to your posts
#10 Sep 27 2005 at 6:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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Wait! So let me get this straight. 3 weeks ago, when Brown was saying that the problems that occured with Katrina were not his fault, but that it was incompetance at the local level, everyone responded that it was still his responsiblity and since people died, he should resign.

Now, he takes that responsiblity, resigns his post, but still maintains that the disaster's aftermath was not his or FEMAs fault, and the argument is that since he took responsiblity and resigned, it must be his fault and is somehow *wrong* for him to point the blame elsewhere?


This is getting ridiculous. It's abundantly obvious that every single thing that went wrong in NO during and after Katrina was the direct result of an absolute incompetance of the local leaders to manage the emergency. Why is it wrong for Brown to say so? It's the truth. You know. That thing that people always insist they want to know, but seem to often refuse to accept?


I can go down a laundry list of failures at the local and state level. About the only failure at the federal level is not overcoming the absolute screwups done at the local level before they got there. FEMA is basically being blamed because they weren't able to waltz in, sprinkle some magic pixie dust around, and make everything "better".

Sorry. Not buying it. Yeah. Maybe it's a bit silly for him to be hired as a consultant, but that's not really unusual in government. The point is that we've got a situation where they're trying to actually figure out what went wrong, but some people refuse to listen to any side of the issue other then theirs. Bash Brown all you want, but his "side" is just as valuable to figuring out how this failure happened, and maybe how to prevent it in the future as anyone else's.


Don't you think maybe we should figure out who's to blame *before* we decide to crucify someone? Or is that to much of a progressive thought for some people?...
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#11 Sep 27 2005 at 7:00 PM Rating: Decent
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Actually its just Elderon now, you lost the XI thing somewhere along the line
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#12 Sep 27 2005 at 7:04 PM Rating: Default
gbaji wrote:
Wait! So let me get this straight. 3 weeks ago, when Brown was saying that the problems that occured with Katrina were not his fault, but that it was incompetance at the local level, everyone responded that it was still his responsiblity and since people died, he should resign.

Now, he takes that responsiblity, resigns his post, but still maintains that the disaster's aftermath was not his or FEMAs fault, and the argument is that since he took responsiblity and resigned, it must be his fault and is somehow *wrong* for him to point the blame elsewhere?


This is getting ridiculous. It's abundantly obvious that every single thing that went wrong in NO during and after Katrina was the direct result of an absolute incompetance of the local leaders to manage the emergency. Why is it wrong for Brown to say so? It's the truth. You know. That thing that people always insist they want to know, but seem to often refuse to accept?


I can go down a laundry list of failures at the local and state level. About the only failure at the federal level is not overcoming the absolute screwups done at the local level before they got there. FEMA is basically being blamed because they weren't able to waltz in, sprinkle some magic pixie dust around, and make everything "better".

Sorry. Not buying it. Yeah. Maybe it's a bit silly for him to be hired as a consultant, but that's not really unusual in government. The point is that we've got a situation where they're trying to actually figure out what went wrong, but some people refuse to listen to any side of the issue other then theirs. Bash Brown all you want, but his "side" is just as valuable to figuring out how this failure happened, and maybe how to prevent it in the future as anyone else's.


Don't you think maybe we should figure out who's to blame *before* we decide to crucify someone? Or is that to much of a progressive thought for some people?...


Liberal bias...

I supppose next you're gonna tell me rove deserves to be arrested

Edited, Tue Sep 27 20:11:13 2005 by proofsockXIV
#13 Sep 27 2005 at 7:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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I supppose next you're gonna tell me rove deserves to be arrested



According to SOP for the Liberals, yeah. Apparently, it's quite the vogue to condemn someone based on rummors and spin rather then actual facts...
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#14 Sep 27 2005 at 7:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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Elderon the Wise wrote:
The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
Elderon the Wise wrote:
bhodisattva wrote:

I want to see this guy go down on Katie in the worst possible way.


FTFY

Weak.

Ok, ok.

bhodisattva wrote:

I want to see this guy go down on Flea'lo, after she takes on the entire second string of the 49er's, in the worst possible way.


Better?

Hell no. I would never do the 49ers.
#15 Sep 27 2005 at 7:14 PM Rating: Default


Edited, Tue Sep 27 20:27:18 2005 by proofsockXIV
#16 Sep 27 2005 at 7:15 PM Rating: Default
The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
Elderon the Wise wrote:
The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
Elderon the Wise wrote:
bhodisattva wrote:

I want to see this guy go down on Katie in the worst possible way.


FTFY

Weak.

Ok, ok.

bhodisattva wrote:

I want to see this guy go down on Flea'lo, after she takes on the entire second string of the 49er's, in the worst possible way.


Better?

Hell no. I would never do the 49ers.


Yeah, they're not nearly narcissistic enough
#17 Sep 27 2005 at 7:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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Hell no. I would never do the 49ers.


What team would you do? Smiley: lol
#18 Sep 27 2005 at 7:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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This one.





Those puppets know how to work it.
#19 Sep 27 2005 at 7:19 PM Rating: Excellent
Fu[b][/b]ck yeah!
#20 Sep 27 2005 at 7:22 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:


Don't you think maybe we should figure out who's to blame *before* we decide to crucify someone? Or is that to much of a progressive thought for some people?...



Yes I do think we should wait and see who was responsible for doing what and when. I think Brown was a scapegoat.

I also heard the Chief of police in NO resigned in light of 250 police officers being investigated for leaving their posts during the aftermath of hurricane Katrina.

Just seems to me these people had their collective heads up their collective asses all along. It was just a quick fix to blame Brown.
#21 Sep 27 2005 at 7:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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I also heard the Chief of police in NO resigned in light of 250 police officers being investigated for leaving their posts during the aftermath of hurricane Katrina.


I saw a TV special today filmed before Katrina talking about the deep-seated corruption in the NOPD. It has a long history of crooked dealings. Add to that, the starting salary for a NOPD cop is $16K. Yikes.
#22 Sep 27 2005 at 7:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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Sir Weebs wrote:
Yes I do think we should wait and see who was responsible for doing what and when.
I think it's silly to assume that'll happen when the Pubbies refuse to allow an independent Congressional investigation.
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The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
Sir Weebs wrote:

I also heard the Chief of police in NO resigned in light of 250 police officers being investigated for leaving their posts during the aftermath of hurricane Katrina.


I saw a TV special today filmed before Katrina talking about the deep-seated corruption in the NOPD. It has a long history of crooked dealings. Add to that, the starting salary for a NOPD cop is $16K. Yikes.



Maybe that's why they were stealing sneakers, and tv's, instead of helping people.


your latest avatar has me hypnotized. Smiley: lol
#24 Sep 27 2005 at 7:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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your latest avatar has me hypnotized. Smiley: lol

I know. Me too.
#25 Sep 27 2005 at 7:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
Sir Weebs wrote:
Yes I do think we should wait and see who was responsible for doing what and when.
I think it's silly to assume that'll happen when the Pubbies refuse to allow an independent Congressional investigation.


That's a bit of a distortion though. It's not that they aren't, but that the Dems are arguing that since the Reps have a majority in Congress, that no Congressional investigation can be non-biased.

How exactly do you propose to have an "independant Congressional Investigation"? I'm curious as to what process you would use that is different then the one used to construct the current Congressional investigation...
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More specifically, I should have said "independent investigation", such as the one after 9/11 into what went wrong. Which, as I recall, the Pubbies initially tried to block as well.

What reasons are there for blocking an independent investigation into one of the largest disasters in our nation's history and one that involved all levels of government? Call me cynical, but the only reason I can think of is that someone decided the potential fallout from blocking an independent investigation would be less than the potential fallout from what such an investigation would dig up. When every Pubbie vote is to block an independent investigation and keep it in the hands of the Republican controlled Congress* to investigate the response and see where the blame fell on the Republican controlled federal level or on the Democratic controlled local/state level then, yes, I have a hard time believing it would be unbiased. Given that the current commission has the ability to block any subpeonas requested by the Democrats, yeah I find it hard to imagine a nonbiased judgement. Given that 76% of the public was in favor of an independent investigation, it wouldn't seem I'm in some far Left wing activist rabid Bush hating minority on this.

*Except the Republican senator from LA who mysteriously chose to abstain rather than vote against a measure to investigate the disaster in his home state

Edited, Tue Sep 27 21:16:29 2005 by Jophiel
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