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So this is the weekend for the marches to support the troops/protest the war in Iraq. I would go, but I'll be out of town. Anyone planning to attend? Does it seem ludicrous to anyone else that these are two separate marches?
I'm just going to wait for that akward moment when they both try turning on the same street.
To answer your question, no.
To answer your question, no.
Lest you all think it's only going on in DC...
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Other anti-war protests are planned Saturday in San Francisco, Los Angeles and Seattle.
I'm going to organize a march to protest marches.
Fu[b][/b]cking conformists won't see it coming.
Fu[b][/b]cking conformists won't see it coming.
Probably because it's easy to lose one person in such a crowd.
These things are just a silly waste of time that gets absolutely nothing done.
But with all the feel good politically correct people in the world I guess everyone needs to have a cause, even though 99.9% are totally worthless.
I'm being nice not saying 100% are worthless on the off chance that someone points out a worthwhile cause that I might agree with, although I doubt that will happen.
But with all the feel good politically correct people in the world I guess everyone needs to have a cause, even though 99.9% are totally worthless.
I'm being nice not saying 100% are worthless on the off chance that someone points out a worthwhile cause that I might agree with, although I doubt that will happen.
How is the march in anyway supporting the troops? As the wife of a Marine, I was just curious.
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How is the march in anyway supporting the troops? As the wife of a Marine, I was just curious.
I'm guessing they are "supporting the troops" by demanding they be brought home.
Personally, I don't think we should have been there in the first place, but that's an issue with the current administration. I have much respect for those who serve in our military. They are sacrificing a lot to be over there, especially those troops who were not adequately equipped. I really feel for the troops who can’t leave because of that stop-loss *********
Given i live 15 minutes away from DC, ill probably go and spit on the supporters and i drive my gas guzzling car.
>.<, just told my commander i didnt agree with the war in iraq and wouldnt support any order that bush gave me... didnt go well but i cant order troops to do something i dont feel is right.
What on Earth is a little march going to do besides kick in the metaphorical baby's head that is a soldiers confidence of his or her's being in the field?
Protest this sh[i][/i]it after everything is over so that the government knows the collective of people won't allow it again. If soldiers catch wind that many people marched on the White House against their reason for being over there, even as insane as the reason may be, it still might bring them down a notch or two.
We need robots to fight our battles so people can stop ******** about everything. Have a problem with my country? Your robots against mine, *****. Scrap yard, ten o' clock tomorrow morning; winner takes all.
I'm too busy on my protest against the law of gravity
"I started out with nothin' and I still got most of it left" - Seasick Steve
Whoa there buddy, I think Isaac Newton is fu[i][/i]cking pissed at that one.
Chand the Furtive wrote:
What on Earth is a little march going to do besides kick in the metaphorical baby's head that is a soldiers confidence of his or her's being in the field?
Protest this sh[i][/i]it after everything is over so that the government knows the collective of people won't allow it again. If soldiers catch wind that many people marched on the White House against their reason for being over there, even as insane as the reason may be, it still might bring them down a notch or two.
We need robots to fight our battles so people can stop ******** about everything. Have a problem with my country? Your robots against mine, *****. Scrap yard, ten o' clock tomorrow morning; winner takes all.
as a soldier, i support the troops, but not the war. It is my support of my troops that forces me to take a stand agaisnt what i feel is unlawfula an immoral orders.
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as a soldier, i support the troops, but not the war. It is my support of my troops that forces me to take a stand agaisnt what i feel is unlawfula an immoral orders.
This sounds weird. You're a soldier, right? You're in command to give orders to those below you, right? ... You say you won't issue specific orders to your troops because you find them to be unlawful and morally wrong. Is this letting your feelings get in the way of your duty going to affect your troops in a situation when you're under fire, but feel that you shouldn't fight back because you don't agree with this or that?
Elaborate on your position in the arms for me a little. I can understand where you're coming from, but I thought soldiers were trained to not let their feelings get in the way of duty.
PottyMouth wrote:
I'm too busy on my protest against the law of gravity
I've always felt like gravity shouldn't be a law. More of a guideline, really.
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as a soldier, i support the troops, but not the war. It is my support of my troops that forces me to take a stand agaisnt what i feel is unlawfula an immoral orders.
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Chand the Furtive wrote:
This sounds weird. You're a soldier, right? You're in command to give orders to those below you, right? ... You say you won't issue specific orders to your troops because you find them to be unlawful and morally wrong. Is this letting your feelings get in the way of your duty going to affect your troops in a situation when you're under fire, but feel that you shouldn't fight back because you don't agree with this or that?
Elaborate on your position in the arms for me a little. I can understand where you're coming from, but I thought soldiers were trained to not let their feelings get in the way of duty.
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emotion has nothing to do with it, i am not an emotional person. But as an officer i have a duty to decide wether i beleive the orders to be legal and right. I do not beleive this war either of those and cannot subjigate my soldiers to something i am vehimately agaisnt.
Imagine if you are in charge of 10 men, in charge of their lives, their well-being, and their very future. Now you are ordered by someeone to make them go slaughter a building full of innocent children. Do you follow the order or do you stand up for what is right. It takes courage to tell your commander no, but i care about my troops more than my career.
Edited, Sun Sep 25 11:04:28 2005 by EvilPhysicist
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as a soldier, i support the troops, but not the war. It is my support of my troops that forces me to take a stand agaisnt what i feel is unlawfula an immoral orders.
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Chand the Furtive wrote:
This sounds weird. You're a soldier, right? You're in command to give orders to those below you, right? ... You say you won't issue specific orders to your troops because you find them to be unlawful and morally wrong. Is this letting your feelings get in the way of your duty going to affect your troops in a situation when you're under fire, but feel that you shouldn't fight back because you don't agree with this or that?
Elaborate on your position in the arms for me a little. I can understand where you're coming from, but I thought soldiers were trained to not let their feelings get in the way of duty.
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emotion has nothing to do with it, i am not an emotional person. But as an officer i have a duty to decide wether i beleive the orders to be legal and right. I do not beleive this war either of those and cannot subjigate my soldiers to something i am vehimately agaisnt.
Imagine if you are in charge of 10 men, in charge of their lives, their well-being, and their very future. Now you are ordered by someeone to make them go slaughter a building full of innocent children. Do you follow the order or do you stand up for what is right. It takes courage to tell your commander no, but i care about my troops more than my career.
Edited, Sun Sep 25 11:04:28 2005 by EvilPhysicist
EvilPhysicist wrote:
. . . as an officer i have a duty to decide wether i beleive the orders to be legal and right. I do not beleive this war either of those and cannot subjigate my soldiers to something i am vehimately agaisnt.
Imagine if you are in charge of 10 men, in charge of their lives, their well-being, and their very future, but can't string together a coherent sentence or spell even the simplest of words
Imagine if you are in charge of 10 men, in charge of their lives, their well-being, and their very future, but can't string together a coherent sentence or spell even the simplest of words
Even worse for the imaginary soldiers in your pretend army.
You should be more ambitious in your fantasies mate. Be a General or exiled Prince of a bohemian Kingdom. Why not be an Imperial Stormtrooper that gets to drive Light-Cycles and stuff.
Officer in the US Dyslexic Corps isn't very ambitious when your imagination is the only limit.
Oh, wait. . .
We have a potential winner of this year's Varus Memorial Bullshi[i][/i]tter of the Year award. Weeeee!
"I started out with nothin' and I still got most of it left" - Seasick Steve
I wish you luck. A soldier has had an obligation to refuse "unlawful" orders for some time now. (since WWII I believe). The catch is you can still be court martialed and the convening authority will deterine if the order was in fact unlawful. If they find it was unlawful you're praised. If they find that it was a lawful order you're screwed.
Good luck
Good luck
@ PottymouthPottymounth:
Since when is being an army cadet a far fetched impossible to beleive story? I joined army 5 years ago to help with college and to pay my dues, and did the green to gold program to go to college. Im not sure where your getting this innate urge to think i would falsify something as painful as this has been.
By telling my commander that, i have given up 3 years of officer training, and 5 years of military service, it was not a light decision or one i appreciate you laughing at as if it was some kind of joke.
Since when is being an army cadet a far fetched impossible to beleive story? I joined army 5 years ago to help with college and to pay my dues, and did the green to gold program to go to college. Im not sure where your getting this innate urge to think i would falsify something as painful as this has been.
By telling my commander that, i have given up 3 years of officer training, and 5 years of military service, it was not a light decision or one i appreciate you laughing at as if it was some kind of joke.
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By telling my commander that, i have given up 3 years of officer training, and 5 years of military service, it was not a light decision or one i appreciate you laughing at as if it was some kind of joke.
It is a joke, who joins the fu[b][/b]cking military without realizing that their country may go to war, and that you may or may not agree with it? You do your damn duty because that's what you signed up for. I can understand if this were a draft, but you did it for the lightly emphasized 'free ride': help with college and debt.
The army, our government, the lot of them accepted you and trained you to be in the position you are right now, and you up and decide that "oh dear me, a military can be offensive?" and tell someone above you that you won't issue orders you find morally wrong? I want to hear a better explaination, because what you're saying is pretty sad.
People die in wars... most of the deaths are because of stupid reasons. But if you are just now realizing that you entered into a position where you're going to be going against every sane reason one would have not to kill some poor soul who's just unlucky enough to be on the flashy side of the barrel, I'm glad you're getting out.
i knew that there was a chance i would go to war, and have NO problem with that. I do not however beleive this to be a just war and will not kill innocent people or allow my troops to be killed simply because i signed a peace of paper. You seem to think the world is a bit more black and white than it is.
AngstyCoder wrote:
Maybe we should declare war on gravity? I mean, it's worked for drugs and everything else the US declared war on, right?
lol, if the bush administration could find a way to make money off of it im sure we would be fighting the gravitational axis of evil as we speak.
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i knew that there was a chance i would go to war, and have NO problem with that. I do not however beleive this to be a just war and will not kill innocent people or allow my troops to be killed simply because i signed a peace of paper. You seem to think the world is a bit more black and white than it is.
Mmkay, you have a point. Regardless, it just isn't good form. If each individual in power went with how they felt on similar subjects, there'd be a lot more President Bushes in this world.
There just isn't enough razor for that much Bush.
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