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#27 Sep 14 2005 at 2:53 PM Rating: Decent
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California really should fall off, after all 3 of the cool people evacuate.


That tells me pretty much everything I need to know about you.

You agree that it's probably unconstitutional, but you make this remark about 10% of your nation, which you purport to love, because one person brought this suit? Good game, sir, good game.



I'm with him, I live in California and I hate it, it should fall off.
#28 Sep 14 2005 at 3:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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We all had to pray and sing hymns and perform fellatio on the Priest.
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#29 Sep 14 2005 at 3:40 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
PottyMouth wrote:
We all had to pray and sing hymns and perform fellatio on the Priest.
Well, they didn't have to, but Nobby was always willing.
How d'you think my Latin got so good, Jofe? Smiley: wink
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#30 Sep 14 2005 at 9:53 PM Rating: Good
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Friar bhodisattva wrote:
Also Twizzle the case he lost over the pledge was not because they ruled its constuitionality but rather they ruled that because the man was not full legal guardian of the girl in which the case was about (he didnt want her having to say it in school) he didnt have the right to act in a legal role on her behalf therefore they threw it out of court 8-0.


Yup. The SF court was following the highest constitutional rulling that applied in this case. The SC never ruled on the constitutionality of the phrase. The tossed it out due to the plantiff not having sufficient cause (he wasn't the primary legal guardian of the child affected).

Personally, I think the phrase should be stripped from the pledge. Despite assertions to the contrary (interestingly enough always from Christians), there is no ambiguity in the phrase "under God". God, in the English language, when used singularaly and as a proper noun (as it is in the pledge) *always* refers to the Judeo/Christian "God". I don't think there are a whole lot of Buddhist's who buy the notion that "God" really means "Buddha", nor are there likely to be many Hindu's who think that "God" refers to the pantheon of deities that they follow.


The currency is a bit trickier. It's actually two issues. The official motto of the US was changed from "E pluribus unem" to "In God We Trust" about the same time the pledge was changed. That occurs as the result of an act of congress, and can presumably be declared unconstituation (the whole "passing a law with respect to religion" bit). However, the decision of what to print on currency is wholely the choice of the head of the Department of the Treasury. While the constitution says "Congress shall pass no law...", it says nothing about a member of the executive branch writing something religious down on something he has control over. So, in theory, they could continue to print that on currency if they wish.
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#32 Sep 15 2005 at 2:07 AM Rating: Good
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I don't see why we have to pledge our allegiance to the country anymore...It started in times of conflict to unify Americans and all that jazz, now, kids are just forced to say it everyday and don't even really think about it. I never thought about what it meant until about mid highschool, and that's when I stopped saying it because I'm also an atheist, and I don't like the "under god" part.

Plus, back to the first thing I said. Why the hell should we pledge our allegiance? We pay taxes. Get lisences for everything. You could say the pledge of allegiance 52 times a day and still turn around and tell our secrets to some country that's mad at us. There's just no point in it anymore if no one really means it.

Yeah, Bhodi is absolutely correct. It was the third modification to the Pledge that added "under god". His reason why was probably more sarcastic than real, but whatever. I say stop saying the pledge and work on teaching children better in schools. We have too many dumbfu[b][/b]cks running around selling and smoking crack and I'm sure a good ejumacation would learn em that that was wrong.
#33 Sep 15 2005 at 2:15 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah, Bhodi is absolutely correct. It was the third modification to the Pledge that added "under god". His reason why was probably more sarcastic than real, but whatever.


Its true both it and the dollar were added with references to God and both during the 40's/50's because it was the height of Commie fever and U.S.S.R.

In 1954, after a campaign initiated by the Roman Catholic Knights of Columbus, Senator Homer Ferguson of Michigan sponsored a bill to amend the pledge to include the words under God, to distinguish the U.S. from the officially atheist Soviet Union, and to remove the appearance of flag and nation worship. The phrase "nation, under God" previously appeared in Abraham Lincoln's Gettysburg Address, and echoes the Declaration of Independence. On June 8, 1954, Congress adopted this change.
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#34 Sep 15 2005 at 2:20 AM Rating: Good
Please Roller, for the love of (insert diety), pull your lip over your head and swallow.
#35 Sep 15 2005 at 6:29 AM Rating: Good
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Bah! I think they should illegalize the pledge of allegiance in schools. Children usually don't have the capacity to understand what it is that they're pledging allegiance to.
#36 Sep 15 2005 at 9:53 AM Rating: Decent
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Those who know to give the honor and glory of this great country to God Almighty will continue to due so, reagrdless of the pledge's make-up.

Those who don't believe are not appeasing him by saying "under God" as they recite something apathetically.

Saying "under God" will not save anyone.

I do think that there will be a nice little present for Mr. Newdow though when his time comes.
#37 Sep 15 2005 at 10:09 AM Rating: Decent
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