Pledge declared UnconstitutionalFollow

Well, now we know what case Roberts will be looking at.

“I pledge allegiance to the Flag
of the United States of America
and to the Republic for which it stands,
one nation possibly under God, indivisible,
with liberty and justice for all.”


This could cover all their bases.


The pledge has actually been changed three times, one more could'nt hurt.

so wehn are they taking "In God We Trust" off of money?


should I take it to court? It offends me to have my legal tender forcing it's views on me.

I second that Angsty.

Having a problem pledging allegience to your country is a sign of being seriously whacked.

Here the bad boy is:
I pledge allegiance to the Flag
of the United States of America,
and to the Republic for which it stands:
one Nation [under God], indivisible,
With Liberty and Justice for all.

According to some site..
Thus it is that when you Pledge Allegiance to the United States Flag, You:
*Promise your loyalty to the Flag itself.
*Promise your loyalty to your own and the other 49 States.
*Promise your loyalty to the Government that unites us all,
Recognizing that we are ONE Nation [under God],
That we can not or should not be divided or alone,
And understanding the right to Liberty and Justice belongs to ALL of us.

Its not like it says:
I pledge allegiance to George Bush
of the United States of Texas,
and to the Monarchy for which it stands:
one Nation [killing babies], divisible,
With Slavery and Persecution for all.

I don't mind the "under God" part. I also don't mind if it goes.

I agree that it is probably unconstitutional, and I'm suprised it survived this long.

Fenderputty: Thats hilarious.

Demea: I totally agree. You get a second shot at the Supreme Court now? After they said "NO! GTFA!"

Not that I mind the ruling one way or the other, but the
principle.

California really should fall off, after all 3 of the cool people evacuate.

Edited, Wed Sep 14 14:57:48 2005 by AngryUndead

Edited, Wed Sep 14 15:18:15 2005 by AngryUndead

1892 to 1923:"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and to the Republic for which it stands: one Nation indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all."

1923 to 1954:"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands: one Nation indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all."

1954 to Present: "I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands: one Nation under God, indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all."

Also Twizzle the case he lost over the pledge was not because they ruled its constuitionality but rather they ruled that because the man was not full legal guardian of the girl in which the case was about (he didnt want her having to say it in school) he didnt have the right to act in a legal role on her behalf therefore they threw it out of court 8-0.

Edited to make sense (thank you wikipedia)
On June 14, 2004, the Supreme Court rejected Newdow's claim by a 8-0 vote, stating that as a non-custodial parent, he did not have sufficient custody to act as his daughter's legal representative. The Court did not address the constitutionality of the pledge.


Edited, Wed Sep 14 14:59:40 2005 by bhodisattva

Your father was excommunicated? How did he manage that?

(so he is in hell now then?)

When I was in college we had prayer at meal times. All meals were big family-style sit-down whith the whole school attending.

We had Student Lead prayer.

It (as you guys know by now) was a Military College, and public.

The District Court over VMI (we were in the same district) ruled that prayer at Military Schools was unconstitutional, even if they are public and student lead, because of the coercive nature.

So I'm pretty sure you can't force kids to say it, no matter what the words are.

Around 150 years of doing it one way fuc[/u]ked up because 4 kids two states away didn't like it. Dic[u]ks.

I am from California and couldn't agree more. I would love to live on an island.

I remember grade 11 at an RC highschool we had to stand at attention during the anthem, recite the Lords Prayer and the read out of a hymn book. The book was rotated around the class so a different person read each day.

My buddy Mike was reading it outloud in his best Charles Heston Ten Commandments "Let my people go" voice and when he finished for some odd reason I just said "abortions for all" in the Kang and Kodo voice from the Simpsons. It just popped out of my mouth.

Man alive I got in a lot of s[b][/b]hit for that one.

Not always dude, not always.

Christian Prayer was a legal requirement of all Schools in England in the 1960s.

We all had to pray and sing hymns and perform fellatio on the Priest.