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#1 Sep 02 2005 at 12:16 AM Rating: Decent
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In the event of a terrorist attack, natural disaster or other large-scale emergency, the Department of Homeland Security will assume primary responsibility on March 1st for ensuring that emergency response professionals are prepared for any situation. This will entail providing a coordinated, comprehensive federal response to any large-scale crisis and mounting a swift and effective recovery effort.

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The National Response Plan establishes a comprehensive all-hazards approach to enhance the ability of the United States to manage domestic incidents. The plan incorporates best practices and procedures from incident management disciplines—homeland security, emergency management, law enforcement, firefighting, public works, public health, responder and recovery worker health and safety, emergency medical services, and the private sector—and integrates them into a unified structure. It forms the basis of how the federal government coordinates with state, local, and tribal governments and the private sector during incidents. It establishes protocols to help

  • Save lives and protect the health and safety of the public, responders, and recovery workers;

  • Ensure security of the homeland;

  • Prevent an imminent incident, including acts of terrorism, from occurring;

  • Protect and restore critical infrastructure and key resources;
  • Conduct law enforcement investigations to resolve the incident, apprehend the perpetrators, and collect and preserve evidence for prosecution and/or attribution;

  • Protect property and mitigate damages and impacts to individuals, communities, and the environment; and

  • Facilitate recovery of individuals, families, businesses, governments, and the environment.


  • You're doing a bang-up job, boys.

    Edited, Fri Sep 2 01:26:47 2005 by Jophiel
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    #2 Sep 02 2005 at 12:19 AM Rating: Good
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    Well, that explains a **** of a lot.
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    #3 Sep 02 2005 at 12:25 AM Rating: Good
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    For extra fun, read their Six Point Agenda!

    Realign the DHS organization to maximize mission performance

    Ok there, Dilbert.
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    #4 Sep 02 2005 at 11:34 AM Rating: Decent
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    You know FEMA reports to them now, right?
    #5 Sep 02 2005 at 11:48 AM Rating: Good
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    Are you implying FEMA's doing a great job and you'd hope this is how we always respond to an emergency?
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    #6 Sep 02 2005 at 11:52 AM Rating: Good
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    TRAITOR!!!!

    #7 Sep 02 2005 at 12:50 PM Rating: Decent
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    realized this post doesn't belong in this particular thread.

    <moved>

    Edited, Fri Sep 2 14:10:23 2005 by Molish
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    No. I was trying to imply that maybe they used to do a better job of responding prior to being moved under DHS.

    Not that I know that to be true. Just speculating because I'm too lazy to research it.
    #9 Sep 02 2005 at 7:01 PM Rating: Good
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    Misunderstood you then, dear Smiley: wink2

    I thought you were saying "You dip, FEMA is doing stuff as part of the DHS so stop saying the DHS is dropping the ball here."
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    #10 Sep 02 2005 at 9:09 PM Rating: Decent
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    Let's take a look at what happened, since people seem to become media puppets so easily.

    People were ordered to evacuate, many did. Some couldn't leave.

    Hurricane veers to the east and New Orleans doesn't take heavy damage

    The next day the water starts coming in.

    Obviously relief was on the way to New Orleans but since the catastrophic damage didn't come until a day after, forces that weren't going to New Orleans originally had to move out to respond to the new damage which was much worse then the hurricane.

    You have a large city that is mostly underwater so you have to deal with transportation issues. You have to get countless supplies and resources loaded up into trucks and then you have to get those supplies in the city which has had it's transportation infrastructure greatly destroyed.

    On top of that they have to deal with people shooting at them and snipers holding families hostage inside their homes. The police have to deal with hundreds of stores being broken into so people can run off with DVD players and jewelry.

    Our people are doing the best they can there. People like you expect hundreds of vehicles, tons of supplies, and tens of thousands of people to be transported instantly. It takes time, and the conditions of the city aren't helping.
    #11 Sep 03 2005 at 12:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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    Please. Everyone from the President on down has had criticism on how this was handled.

    Just so we're clear on who is supposed to be taking charge in these situations:
    In the event of a terrorist attack, natural disaster or other large-scale emergency, the Department of Homeland Security will assume primary responsibility on March 1st for ensuring that emergency response professionals are prepared for any situation.

    And what will the DHS do for us?
    This will entail providing a coordinated, comprehensive federal response to any large-scale crisis and mounting a swift and effective recovery effort.

    Golly! How ever will they do that?
    The National Response Plan establishes a comprehensive all-hazards approach to enhance the ability of the United States to manage domestic incidents. The plan incorporates best practices and procedures from incident management disciplines—homeland security, emergency management, law enforcement, firefighting, public works, public health, responder and recovery worker health and safety, emergency medical services, and the private sector—and integrates them into a unified structure. It forms the basis of how the federal government coordinates with state, local, and tribal governments and the private sector during incidents. It establishes protocols to help

    So the Department of Homeland Security is tasked with taking charge in the event of a large scale natural disaster and will provide a cooridinated response towards swift and effective recovery using its comprehensive plan that links local, state and federal authorties?

    Well, that explains why the DHS & FEMA had no clue what was going on, no communication with the state and local authorities, no central leadership, reacted slowly and generally had their heads up their collective asses for the first 72+ hours of the event. For an event that they specifically trained for and had a three day warning, it was an utter failure and God forbid they react the same if there's a terror attack, earthquake or some other catastrophic event that didn't allow 75% of the populace to be out of harm's way when it occurs. Dismiss everyone criticising the DHS's first test as "media puppets" if it makes you feel better but no one is calling this a success.

    Edited, Sat Sep 3 01:20:49 2005 by Jophiel
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    It all starts with the Governor and even the mayor of New Orleans. The Governor had nothing in place to sustain the people of New Orleans until the federal government and relief organizations could get there.

    The mayor didn't have any organized plan to keep some kind of order in the city, and most of his police ran off after the disaster. Sorry, but that's not good leadership.

    In situations like this, people must be able to sustain themselves until help comes. The state and local governments are the first who must be prepared. They dropped the ball by doing nothing the whole time before the feds got to the city.

    When it comes to the federal government, nobody will ever be approving of what they do. This is because people have overly high expectations from the government.

    You may have heard the mayor of New Orleans on CNN radio, yelling about how everybody else is doing nothing (mainly pointing his finger at the feds). You may not know that he smuggled rich tourists from a hotel near him and placed them in front of his own people to get on the busses. His blaming of everybody else is to mask his huge mistakes and doting.

    Edited, Sat Sep 3 15:10:27 2005 by VorakX
    #13 Sep 03 2005 at 5:36 PM Rating: Good
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    Actually, I've been critical of all three layers. But the actions of the Mayor don't excuse how much DHS dropped the ball on this. Saying "They didn't have enough to last" doesn't excuse the federal government taking the better part of a week to get on the scene in appreciable numbers. This particular thread was just noting the irony of the DHS mission statements and promises in the face of what they actually accomplished.

    Heck, for the first couple days, I was defending the fact that stuff wasn't instantly on the spot. After that, it was obvious that people were fu[i][/i]cking up all over the place. If you want to play the role of DHS apologist, knock yourself out. But you'll be largely playing it alone.
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    #14 Sep 04 2005 at 12:48 AM Rating: Good
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    Homeland security tries to play off like they had no idea this would happen.

    Now, I won't bore you with the 50 hundred or so predictions this would happen, but its safe to say that everyone who could did predict this would happen. Except the people responsible for helping those would couldn't do anything about it.

    Yes, its the fault of the local and state governments for not realizing this would happen to. But they've been screaming bloody murder since it started to get aid in. And if you've been watching CNN, you know that the aid has been massivly uncorrdinated VS the response that every other national emergency has ever recieved.
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