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#1 Aug 31 2005 at 11:46 PM Rating: Default
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My six year old nephew was suspended from school today, for a couple days, as I understand it. Reports from teachers state that he does great work, when he wants to work. But, something triggers him that causes him to lose control: spitting, biting teachers, trashing rooms, etc, until he regains control of himself, then everything is back to normal.

Have any of you been through this experience before, and how did you respond? Were your actions, or reprimands, sufficient at regaining control and steering your kid to a more healthy childhood?

I'll anticipate a few questions first.

1) He does not have a father figure in his life. I am the closest to that position, but I don't pretend to fill that position.

2) He and I play games a couple times per week (chess, yugioh, poker... no money). He doesn't lose control when he's around me.

3) I don't cuss at him, nor raise my voice, nor harm him in any way. Though, I am stern and don't pander to his every whim.

4) What happens between him and his mother, is out of my realm of knowledge, and may or may not contain explanations in regards to his upbringing.

5) His grandmother is nearly his servant; I'm sure she draws the line at some point, but her motto seems to never deny him something.

6) So far as I know, no one administers corporal punishment when he misbehaves.

Any thoughts, shared experiences, and advice are welcomed greatly. I find his behavior disturbing, that he switches on/off/on to extreme effect, and at age six, has been suspended from school.
#2 Aug 31 2005 at 11:55 PM Rating: Decent
It's called being spoiled. You can find more information about this here.
#3 Sep 01 2005 at 12:04 AM Rating: Decent
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After showing this to my mother... ( YES, I show my mom everything concerning horrible behaviour in kids, im only 16)

Depending on the age of your nephew, My mom has told me that i was the EXACT same way up untill grade 5... (Amazingly, I can't remember being like that)

My mom, and my dad (called him and asked about it too... shut up -_-) say they have no idea why i stopped acting that way either...

Now, In my experience... Teachers don't always tell the truth about what goes on in school, concerning behaviour of students...

EX. Kid throws a chair at a teacher, and the teacher tells the principal, which tells the parents...

but upon further investigation, it turns out that the teacher came at said student with a knife during lunch.

end EX.

So, what may be happening to your nephew, might not JUST be him... Someone, or something could be setting it off...

So... you'll probably either want to investigate yourself... or check if he has a, and i don't really like to say it... mental problem or something, that causes him to freak out like that... it could be something someone says, or something he smells...

(My cousin is that way, if he smells strawberries, he begins to freak out, and loses all control over his motor-functions and the like... kind of like being epileptic or w/e, but being able to stand up during, and freak out, and being able to talk...)

My mom says she's sorry to hear about your nephew, I am too... it really sucks to hear about something like that...

EDIT* Nvm on the "depending on the kids age" thing... didn't see the part about him being 6 years old...

Edited, Thu Sep 1 01:13:00 2005 by AFormOfMalice
#4 Sep 01 2005 at 12:06 AM Rating: Good
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Has he been seen by a professional? I'm not one to advocate casually medicating children but there's a difference between spoiled six year old petulance and being violently destructive and physically aggressive.

Out of curiousity, is he your nephew via your sister or sister-in-law? You claim to have little idea of his relationship with his mother which I find a little odd if you're close enough that you see him several times a week. I'm not especially close to my sister but I could give you a fairly accurate read on how she handles raising my nephew.
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#5 Sep 01 2005 at 12:26 AM Rating: Good
In a world where only a handful of people used to have A.D.D, to where now only a handful of people do not, this sounds like a situation where it's important to get the child checked out regardless. Freaking out like that can be explained by many different things, however it may very well be something serious when it comes to mental health (aside from the other common things for children to go through/have.)

Reminds me a little bit of autism, although I'm not sure if that can be as minimal to where it only happens a little here and there...
#6 Sep 01 2005 at 4:12 AM Rating: Good
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I'm not even close to being an expert in child behavior disorders, but I'm taken some psychology courses and dealt with a number of cousins and relations with behavioral issues over the course of my life. Here's my take on the situation:

Some children develop the emotional and congnitive skills to handle being told "no" more slowly than others. If you think about it, being denied a desire or whim is actually a fairly stressful event for a child; they simply do not have the reasoning capability to differentiate between a "want" and a "need" until they reach a certain stage of development, and can be prone to behaving as though being refused a toy is the same as being deprived of food. Denial can feel like a threat in such a case.

It may be that his ability to process stressful emotional situations hasn't matured to the stage where he comprehends that behaving this way when denied something he wants is unacceptable. This may or may not be exacerbated by the fact that he isn't receiving the "you can't have everything you want, when you want it" message at home, if that is indeed the case.

Socialization is important; this is why head start and preschool programs are so vital. Children then get used to answering to authority that doesn't come from their parents or at-home caretakers. I started school at a time when such programs were not required (I began kindergarten over a month before I was 5) and I had many more behavioral difficulties than my brother, who spent a year in head-start and a year in pre-k before beginning kindergarten. In my case, they nearly ended up holding me back a year in the second grade, not because I couldn't handle the school work (I had NO problems there), but to allow me time to develop socially and emotionally. If your nephew did not have a lot of exposure to other children and other authority figures before beginning school, that may be a large part of the problem.

It's not necessarily ADHD, though certainly that should be checked out. As someone who discovered she has ADHD at nearly the age of 30, I'm not one to downplay the significance of this possibility. Finding out I had it literally made my entire life from childhood to adulthood make sense in a way it never had before. I do think, however, that the ADHD diagnosis is sometimes used to try to cure children of, well, being children. Don't take him to just *anyone* for such an evaluation; make sure it's someone who specializes in ADHD and/or child behavioral disorders. Make sure whomever you see is outside the school sytem rather than the school counselor or nurse or whoever--people in those positions are frequently more concerned with making the teachers' jobs easier by tranquilizing the kids than in actually getting to the bottom of the problem.

Lastly, and this is pure speculation, one thing stood out at me about your description, and that is that you said your nephew does not have a father figure, but behaves fine when he is with you. I am going to assume that you are male (perhaps I am wrong in this) because you said you are the closest thing he has to a father figure. You also said you do not cater to his every whim.

Now, if he is used to authority coming from males (you) but not from females (his mother and grandmother) and if his teacher is female, that could be another cause of the problem. He has simply not learned to expect authority from females, which would explain why he is fine with you and not with his teacher. If that's the case, then two things really need to happen:

1) his grandmother and mother need to toughen up (this is the most crucial point, and probably, unfortunately, the least likely to occur)

2) he would benefit from a seeing a social worker, preferably male, who can help correct some of these behavioral patterns and teach him to respond to authority from females.

A male teacher might also help the situation, but that might not be an option, and it's certainly not an optimal solution--at some point, he needs to learn respect for female authority, so just shifting him to a class with a male teacher will only delay solving the actual problem.

#7 Sep 01 2005 at 4:52 AM Rating: Decent
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Joph, your avatar.... I...I just.... hmm.. wtf?
#10 Sep 01 2005 at 6:17 AM Rating: Good
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Begin a strict regimine of beatings. I would start him in on Saturday nights, and work into at least 3 or 4 days a week.

It's hard to be a parent, but someone has to do it.



oh, and what Ambrya said.
#12 Sep 01 2005 at 7:07 AM Rating: Decent
1 question : Does he drink some sort of full sugar juices ?? like Punch juices or raisins juices or any sort of concentrated and full sugar juices ?? in his lunch ?

If yes stop it. Replace it by real fruit juice or only water. In school they tend to give concentrated juices to kids but those **** are too full of sugar ... so the kid can get a boost of bad energy and just go crazy for a few time to spend that energy ... after he spent that he is back to normal...

I had that problem when I was young... the exact same thing as you mention about your nephew... It happens to kid that are already full of energy. Drinking that kind of juices gives bad results.

good luck
#13 Sep 01 2005 at 8:49 AM Rating: Good
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It sounds to me as if he may have some degree od ADD or ADHD. I dont believe as many kids out there on medication need it, or even have ADD, but there are some true cases. My brother has a moderate to severe case of ADHD. Before he was put on a low dosage of Ritalin in his early teens, he could violently erupt for something minor, unable to control his emotions, even when he knew it was wrong. ADD and ADHD is a chemical imbalance, something that if the person has, it is not something they can turn on and off.

I would highly suggest your nephew get checked out and have him tested for that and anything else. If it is found that he has a chemical imbalance medication could help calm him on those times he can not control his anger.

I would also suggest looking into a psychiatrist, only if it is someone for him to talk to without judgement. Sometimes, and especially in the teen years, people hold a lot of emotional turmoil in they may not even realize they have, and it can build up to a catharsism of violence. Even just one person, who is neither friend nor relative, but someone who can gain the persons trust can help teach them tools of controling their emotions without resorting to violence.
#14 Sep 01 2005 at 8:59 AM Rating: Good
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Try beating his *** when he acts up. That might work.


It did for me, and look how great I turned out.
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#15 Sep 01 2005 at 9:21 AM Rating: Default
I just have to say why the hell are you posting kid problems on game these forums. There are call lines go to a church or a temple ask for advice google it.
#16 Sep 01 2005 at 10:01 AM Rating: Decent
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Begin a strict regimine of beatings.


This is a bad idea.

An application of pain immediatly after the act or discovery of the act by his mother or grandmother would probably do wonders though.

Pain is a very basic response we have to tell us when somthing is a Bad Idea.

The application of it to this child may well help.

I'm not saying to beat the living dogsh[/i]it out of him. Not even to hit him. Pressure points are there too.

Not pain from anger either. Think of it as a measured and pre-determined response to a specific problem.

The human response to pain will eventually convince him that this is a bad idea.

I'm not saying that this is the best idea in this case, nor will it solve the problem though it may well cease the symptoms. It is, however, a good way of modifying his outward behavior.

The kid should probably stop being spoiled by his mother or grandmother... and see a specialist. Maybe a few to get more opinions. I'd be suprised though that if he was in a stern enough environment that the problem wouldn't clear itself up as he gets older.

The whole "want"/"need" distinction is important, too lazy to see who brought it up, but it was good. The child is obviously in the "me" centric stage of development.

Thats about all I know of psychobable for now.

(Edit: I get through this whole post, but mispell the word "be".)

[i]Edited, Thu Sep 1 11:06:25 2005 by AngryUndead
#17 Sep 01 2005 at 10:17 AM Rating: Good
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There are call lines go to a church or a temple ask for advice google it.


Yes, you should take the kid to a Catholic church and leave him with the priest there. See if he acts up now!
#18 Sep 01 2005 at 10:20 AM Rating: Good
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omegafurry wrote:
I just have to say why the hell are you posting kid problems on game these forums. There are call lines go to a church or a temple ask for advice google it.


Pay the fu[b][/b]ck attention and you might see this is not a gaming forum here, its an out of topic where everything and anything goes. You dont like it? Stay out of it you moran! And since when do churches and temples prescribe medication if any is needed?
#19 Sep 01 2005 at 10:23 AM Rating: Good
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And since when do churches and temples prescribe medication if any is needed?


"Take a wafer of the Body of Christ and a shot of the Blood of Christ and call me in the morning."

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#20 Sep 01 2005 at 10:27 AM Rating: Good
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Is it soaked in drugs? It would explain a lot of those religious extremists out there
#21 Sep 01 2005 at 10:36 AM Rating: Good
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Hold him down and **** in his mouth.

That'll teach him and keep him from ever acting out again...or it’ll turn him into a freak. Either way it's better than the hell child he is now.

#22 Sep 01 2005 at 11:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Enough cannot be said for a good old-fashioned beating. If the kid acts up - smack him. If he keeps it up - smack him till he stops. If he starts crying - well, you get the picture.

Most of the time I seriously wish that my parents used a little heavy-handed discipline with me and my siblings. We never got more than a mild spanking. Then again, there were four of us kids and we usually did a pretty good job of beating the crap out of each other...
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#23 Sep 01 2005 at 12:08 PM Rating: Decent
Beating a child is the worst thing you can do to that child.

It breaks the trust the child had in his parent... and also build a wall between them...

so beating is a realy realy bad idea.

Its not a dog, its a child.
#24 Sep 01 2005 at 12:11 PM Rating: Decent
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AngryUndead wrote:
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Begin a strict regimine of beatings.


This is a bad idea.



You don't have a sence of humor do you?
#25 Sep 01 2005 at 12:12 PM Rating: Good
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Lady deadsidedemon wrote:
omegafurry wrote:
I just have to say why the hell are you posting kid problems on game these forums. There are call lines go to a church or a temple ask for advice google it.


Pay the fu[b][/b]ck attention and you might see this is not a gaming forum here, its an out of topic where everything and anything goes. You dont like it? Stay out of it you moran! And since when do churches and temples prescribe medication if any is needed?


/coffee
#26 Sep 01 2005 at 12:12 PM Rating: Good
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Its not a dog, its a child.


I don't think anyone here would condone the beating of the dog.

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