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#1 Aug 17 2005 at 9:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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Now THAT'S service!

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Until recently, LaChania Govan's complaints about Comcast's service seemed relatively tame. The 25-year-old Elgin mother of two said she was put on hold, disconnected, even transferred to the Spanish language line.

But after persistent problems with her digital recording system forced her to make dozens of calls to the cable company in July, her August bill came with a change really worth complaining about: In place of her name were the words "***** Dog."

"I could not believe it," said Govan, who works in customer service for a credit card company.

She said she immediately called Comcast to cancel her service and was sent to an operator.

"She asked me for my name. I said, `You really don't want me to go there,'" Govan said.
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A Comcast official said Tuesday the company was aware of the incident and that the bogus name change was authentic but said she couldn't discuss the specifics until the company discovered how it occurred.
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Martin Cohen is executive director of the Citizens Utility Board of Illinois, which handles complaints about utility and other service providers. Although Govan's troubles aren't all that common, the organization learned this week about a similar case involving a Peoples Energy customer, he said.

In that case, Jefferoy Barnes, 44, of Maywood received four pieces of mail from the company that included the words "******* bag" in the line with his name.
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After a reporter inquired about the problem Tuesday, a company spokeswoman said the employee responsible was being fired.

"We have identified the representative who is responsible for this change, and this person is being fired immediately," Elizabeth Castro said.
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Barnes said he received an apologetic call Tuesday evening from a company executive.

But more than a week after receiving her bill, Govan has not heard back from Comcast, she said.

Her August bill for $77.50 came after a month in which she estimates she called Comcast 40 times because of repeated problems with a new digital recording box.

Govan, who does not speak Spanish, said she didn't appreciate being transferred to the company's Spanish-language line.

But receiving the bill with the obscene name topped it all, she said.
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Now, with her cancellation request pending, she is simply waiting for the company to show up and disconnect her.


Hrmmm.... And I was recently thinking about actually getting cable, too Smiley: dubious
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#2 Aug 17 2005 at 10:11 AM Rating: Default
Ill one up ya...

From Todays NY Post

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Table for "Jews"

August 17, 2005 -- Two diners on a date at a fancy Jersey Shore restaurant were furious when they saw the check — which listed their table as that of the "Jew Couple."

Brooklynite Elliot Stein says he was shocked that a waitress at the Parkhill's Waterfront Grill in Allenhurst printed the slur instead of a table number on his $36.75 bill.

As if that weren't bad enough, the 23-year-old shoe buyer told The Post, the offensive phrase then turned up on his credit-card statement two weeks later.

"My grandfather went through all that in old-school Europe," an angry Stein said yesterday. "But that happened more than 50 years ago. You don't expect it to happen in 2005, especially when a lot of their money comes from our community."

Stein, who has a vacation house in nearby Deal, N.J., said he was a regular at the waterfront establishment.

Relaxing at happy hour on a Friday night, July 8, he and his girlfriend of two years, Jennifer Cassin, had just finished their sushi and drinks.

When the check arrived, a startled Cassin picked it up and handed it to her boyfriend, saying, "What the hell is this?"

Along with the list of their orders was the printed phrase: "Jew Couple."

Stein said he took the offensive bill and showed it to Jewish friends seated nearby who said they could not believe it.

When the group started questioning the manager, Stein said she simply told them there was nothing derogatory about the statement.

Stein said he was then asked to leave for making a fuss.

The restaurant's general manager, Malia Wells, yesterday told The Post that the offending phrase was a matter of "poor judgment on the part of a bartender."

The server, shown as Karina on Stein's bill, has since "moved on," Wells said. She would not say whether Karina was fired.

"We are a family restaurant, and we welcome everybody," she said, adding that the words "Jew Couple" were never intended to be derogatory.

"We use it as a form of identity," she said. She would not elaborate on what the restaurant does when there is more than one couple assumed to be Jewish at the restaurant.

Etzion Neuer, director of the New Jersey Anti-Defamation League, said the case was outrageous.

"The idea that a restaurant or any establishment is labeling customers by race and then printing it on their bill is unbelievable," Neuer said.

"It doesn't even say Jew-ish," he pointed out. "It's indefensible."



Happened at a place I frequent. Funny that both these stories out at the same time...
#3 Aug 17 2005 at 10:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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"We use it as a form of identity," she said. She would not elaborate on what the restaurant does when there is more than one couple assumed to be Jewish at the restaurant.

"The **** Couple", presumably. Or "The Hungry Zionists".
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#4 Aug 17 2005 at 10:19 AM Rating: Good
Nobody would have said a word if it said "white couple."

It's funny how so many ethnic groups are extremely proud of their ethnicity only when THEY choose to be identified by it.

I see the eatery as being on the side of right on this one. They did nothing wrong.
#5 Aug 17 2005 at 10:25 AM Rating: Decent
So was the guy wearing a yammaka (sp)? I mean, how did they identify them as "The Jew couple" ?

I think the manager was just trying to back peddle with her explanation.
#6 Aug 17 2005 at 10:31 AM Rating: Excellent
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"White couple" wouldn't be terribly descriptive unless it was some all-black restaurant someplace. In which case I very well might feel a bit singled out and insulted if it said "White couple". I probably wouldn't be too excited about going back, anyway.

Really though, is the restaurant unfamiliar with the concept of numbering their tables or something?

Anyway, it's not as if Mr. Stein is sueing or anything. It's a stupid idea to identify your customers in that matter simply because you're bound to insult someone which is bad business sense. Who is "right" is really a matter of public opinion -- I'm sure the restaurant will lose some of its Jewish clientele and it won't get any new people.

Edited, Wed Aug 17 11:41:56 2005 by Jophiel
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#7 Aug 17 2005 at 10:39 AM Rating: Default
Well, I am not being Anti-semetic but these Jewish folk that are described in the article are a pain in the ***. They all live in NYC, drive down to their Shore Beach Houses for the weekend in their Lexus/Benz SUVs. They do not pay takes on the million dollar estates because they spend the sabbath (weekend) there during the summer (and summer only) they are considered a house of worship.

They are rude they are arrogant, they flaunt and fuss and look down at locals like myself because I dont have a $70k car million dollar house and am not Jewish. Bob put us on earth just to cater to them.

I know the girl in the article Karina, I went to college with her and she is a sweet heart. But you can only take so much of these people before you snap and they deserved it. Fuc[b][/b]k them for getting huffy about the name of their religion.
#8 Aug 17 2005 at 10:40 AM Rating: Default
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Nobody would have said a word if it said "white couple."

It's funny how so many ethnic groups are extremely proud of their ethnicity only when THEY choose to be identified by it.

I see the eatery as being on the side of right on this one. They did nothing wrong.



Mmmm Jew has nothing to do with ethnicity as you call it, a Jew can be from any color or race of people, I have seen a few black Jews and a lot of white, brown and even a few yellow ones.


So this given how do you look at someone and KNOW they are a Jew?

#9 Aug 17 2005 at 10:50 AM Rating: Good
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So this given how do you look at someone and KNOW they are a Jew?


Because in terms such as the article...the moron at the diner simply assumed they were jewish by association of their lastname. It's as bad as the ***** did where anyone who had brown eyes and brown hair was "jewish" no negotiation. The lastname "Stein" is actually of jewish decent.
#10 Aug 17 2005 at 10:54 AM Rating: Default
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Really though, is the restaurant unfamiliar with the concept of numbering their tables or something?

Anyway, it's not as if Mr. Stein is sueing or anything. It's a stupid idea to identify your customers in that matter simply because you're bound to insult someone which is bad business sense. Who is "right" is really a matter of public opinion -- I'm sure the restaurant will lose some of its Jewish clientele and it won't get any new people.


I have a feeling it was used to identify the bar stools they were sitting at or at least one of the high-top tables they were sitting at. With bands coming in and what not the table positions are always changing. They tend to just say 2 old guy 1 lady or whatever, why it printed out was a mistake by the Bartender, its not supposed to show.

The restaurant in question is in our top 5 list. Our beers are 100% no competition and they sell alot. As for a lawsuit, not really sure, its a possibility. If anything the Jewish vacationers will not go there. TRUST ME, that will not make or break this place. They are a Sports Bar more than a fancy restaurant.
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Ok, then what's the issue? Again, in my opinion, referring to your customers like that (even internally) is a stupid move. Why? Because it's just going to result in bad press when something like the above happens. Hell, I'm not even saying to string anyone up or call them a ****, it's just a dumb idea to do it.

So if the loss of business and bad press doesn't bother them, groovy for everyone. I'm not going to get on Stein's case for being offended because.. why bother? It was apparently enough to offend him and his friends and that's what matters in context of the story.
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#12 Aug 17 2005 at 11:06 AM Rating: Default
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Ok, then what's the issue? Again, in my opinion, referring to your customers like that (even internally) is a stupid move.


Oh 100% agreed, I can not see why Katrina just didnt put down Young Couple, or something like that. I guess its her equivelant of spitting in the food. Poor judgement.
#13 Aug 17 2005 at 12:01 PM Rating: Decent
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When I was working for a local ISP there were a few occasions where we changed a user's account name to something more descriptive of their personality...that was more for our amusement when some unsuspecting tech gets the next call from "Mr. and Mrs. As[/b]shole" Smiley: laugh
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#14 Aug 17 2005 at 12:40 PM Rating: Decent
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I am willing to bet the woman is, for lack of better words, a complete bit[/b]ch. Although treatment of this sort if out of hand, I can picture the Mexican Operator trying to figure out what this crazy gringo lady is screaming about.
#15 Aug 17 2005 at 1:00 PM Rating: Good
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Although treatment of this sort if out of hand, I can picture the Mexican Operator trying to figure out what this crazy gringo lady is screaming about.

From the things I hear about ComCast, they get alot of calls like this. Changing somebodies name on their bill because your cable service sucks certainly isn't the way to go about things.
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#16 Aug 17 2005 at 1:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Although treatment of this sort if out of hand, I can picture the Mexican Operator trying to figure out what this crazy gringo lady is screaming about.

From the things I hear about ComCast, they get alot of calls like this. Changing somebodies name on their bill because your cable service sucks certainly isn't the way to go about things.


From the companies stand point, sure, it was horrible practice to say the least. But, I am willing to place a large wager that the Mexican fellow sure got a kick out of it.
#17 Aug 17 2005 at 1:13 PM Rating: Decent
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From the companies stand point, sure, it was horrible practice to say the least. But, I am willing to place a large wager that the Mexican fellow sure got a kick out of it.

I'd get a kick out of kicking you in the balls. I'm sure you wouldn't be happy about it, unless you're a *********.

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From the companies stand point, sure, it was horrible practice to say the least. But, I am willing to place a large wager that the Mexican fellow sure got a kick out of it.

I'd get a kick out of kicking you in the balls. I'm sure you wouldn't be happy about it, unless you're a *********.



You never know until you try. Smiley: sly
#20 Aug 17 2005 at 1:58 PM Rating: Good
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I think a lot of people are missing this line:
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"It doesn't even say Jew-ish," he pointed out. "It's indefensible."

It's not just that she labeled them as Jewish, it's her choice of words.

Sure it's probably just an abbreviation, as we know that waitresses use shorthand all the time. But using "Jew" without the "-ish" as an adjective has a more negative connotation.

Jew Couple vs. Jewish Couple

Anyone who's heard enough slurs could tell you there's a difference between those two.


Edit: I'm not necessarily taking sides, just showing where they took extra offense from.



Edited, Wed Aug 17 15:55:46 2005 by trickybeck
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I'm a big food of Spanish food, and living in Texas, there are quite a few places where I can get authentic food. I'm often the only white guy there. More than a few times has my bill shown "Gringo" or "white guy" or whatever. The food is good, the waiters friendly, and the label just there for easy identification.

Honestly, I think the issue is blown way out of proportion.
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Honestly, I think the issue is blown way out of proportion.
I guess if there was a lawsuit or a boycott or something, I could agree. An interest piece in the paper doesn't really strike me as world-shattering response.
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#23 Aug 17 2005 at 2:49 PM Rating: Good
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I've got Comcast and I've never had any trouble out of them. I bet that woman just didn't know how to turn the damn box on.
#24 Aug 17 2005 at 2:50 PM Rating: Default
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Govan, who does not speak Spanish, said she didn't appreciate being transferred to the company's Spanish-language line.


I suppose she understood English enough to undertsand Bit[/u]ch Dog...

Damn foreign trash, Im glad she got that and if anyone called my company 40 times in a month I would be half tempted to have her borked too.
#25 Aug 17 2005 at 2:57 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm a big food of Spanish food, and living in Texas, there are quite a few places where I can get authentic food. I'm often the only white guy there. More than a few times has my bill shown "Gringo" or "white guy" or whatever. The food is good, the waiters friendly, and the label just there for easy identification.
Hm you do know there's a difference between Spanish and Mexican cuisine right?





pinche gringos
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A black woman from Chicago? Smiley: dubious
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