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#1 Aug 15 2005 at 8:54 AM Rating: Good
Nooo not the computer.. politically correct. Where do we draw the line? I'm sitting here reading this and its ******* pathetic. Why on Earth is this even an issue? It's now racist to have a team with a native american name???




THE DAILY FIX
By CARL BIALIK AND JASON FRY


NCAA Bars Seminoles, Sioux;
How About Those Leprechauns?
August 8, 2005 5:07 p.m.

After decades of games between Fighting Illini, Fighting Sioux and Seminoles, college sports regulators have moved to eliminate Native American-inspired nicknames. Yet the new rule is, inevitably, complicated and selective.

For instance, Florida's Seminole leaders have given their blessing to Florida State's use of the Seminoles nickname, as the Tampa Tribune reported in June. Yet other Seminoles outside the state have opposed the nickname, as Suzan Shown Harjo wrote in Indian Country Today. "All the schools claim that their 'Native' identities are traditional, while at the same time missing that the tradition is racist," Ms. Harjo wrote. "The only righteous thing to do with such a dishonorable tradition is consign it to history and move on to an enlightened era."

But the National Collegiate Athletic Association is applying the rule, ostensibly barring "hostile or abusive" nicknames, only to Native American tribes from within the U.S. "It has already let San Diego State off the hook after the school argued that the Aztecs culture was not a 'North American culture, but a culture based in what is now Mexico,' according to a university spokesman," Bob Ford writes in the Philadelphia Inquirer. "That's a neat piece of scrambling, even if it doesn't say much for the geography department and would come as a great shock to the drafters of the North American Free Trade Agreement."
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The rule also applies only to championships, so teams can keep their names during the regular season, and throughout the Div. I football season, whose bowl games aren't regulated by the NCAA. "llinois Fighting Illini? You play in the NCAA Tournament, you're the Illinois Generics," Wendell Barnhouse writes in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram. "Utah Utes? You're the Utah Youths. Florida State Seminoles? The Florida State Legislators, maybe?"

How about other cultural mascots? Chicago Tribune columnist Mike Downey is Irish, and likes Notre Dame's nickname Fighting Irish. "Yet if we get rid of some, mustn't we get rid of all?" Mr. Downey asks. "Can a school really get away with calling itself the Fighting Irish in the wake of this NCAA posse's vigilant PC crackdown? Doesn't this scurrilous nickname need to go? Isn't it time for the leprechaun to sleep with the fishes?"

To that argument, Bill Plaschke offers a cogent reply: "Many feel that allowing Native Americans to force nickname changes is as silly as allowing folks from Ireland to mess with Notre Dame. Yet few of those critics are from a culture that has been stolen, hidden and now demeaned. In other words, Notre Dame fans, leprechauns weren't real people."

Edited, Mon Aug 15 09:54:44 2005 by Katie
#2 Aug 15 2005 at 9:27 AM Rating: Good
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The One and Only Katie wrote:
[b]Nooo not the computer.. politically correct. Where do we draw the line? I'm sitting here reading this and its ******* pathetic. Why on Earth is this even an issue? It's now racist to have a team with a native american name???

It's always been racist. If We had a team named the New York Jews or the Florida Spics, it would be more apparent.
#3 Aug 15 2005 at 9:27 AM Rating: Excellent
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If I was a Native American, I'd be more upset about the Pontiac Aztek.

That is one ugly-*** chunk of metal.
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#4 Aug 15 2005 at 9:28 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
If I was a Native American, I'd be more upset about the Pontiac Aztek.

That is one ugly-*** chunk of metal.

I'll write my contacts in Mexico.
#5 Aug 15 2005 at 9:59 AM Rating: Good
If I had a lot more Indian (I have some Native American blood so I can say Indian) blood than I do, I might be able to figure out a way to be offended about those team names.

Of course it'd be way down on the list below bringing disease and drugs to my land and relentlessly herding my people Westwards to make room for Europe's rejects. But that's just me.
#6 Aug 15 2005 at 10:01 AM Rating: Good
<-- plenty of native american blood and I'm not offended.
#7 Aug 15 2005 at 10:21 AM Rating: Good
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TStephens wrote:
If I had a lot more Indian (I have some Native American blood so I can say Indian) blood than I do, I might be able to figure out a way to be offended about those team names.

Of course it'd be way down on the list below bringing disease and drugs to my land and relentlessly herding my people Westwards to make room for Europe's rejects. But that's just me.


The One and Only Katie wrote:
<-- plenty of native american blood and I'm not offended.


Most American Indians prefer that term to "Native American". Keep in mind that tribes have elected councils that are authorized to represent the tribe's registered members. Like any democracy, one individual's views (or two, in this case) don't hold much sway. An overwhelming majority of the tribes do hold this practice in some contempt, but I'm sure it doesn't match their contempt for the violation of their trust, the outrage at the BIA, the desperation at their poverty and high diabetes and alcoholism rates...

Then again, the greater US population can afford to ***** about the War Against Terror AND fur coats, so why the hell not?
#8REDACTED, Posted: Aug 15 2005 at 10:34 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) lol...you liberals are just out there. Perhaps if any of you actually got off your as*es and accomplished anything you would have a lot less time to get worked up about whether or not the name of a sports team is offensive.
#9 Aug 15 2005 at 10:37 AM Rating: Decent
Why do you continue to post Varrus? Its an honest question. You are almost always subdefault. Come on fess up, who's sock are you?
#10 Aug 15 2005 at 10:40 AM Rating: Decent
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I agree with the pontiac aztec thing. Gawd its ugly...
#11 Aug 15 2005 at 10:41 AM Rating: Good
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Buttercuup wrote:
I agree with the pontiac aztec thing. Gawd its ugly...

That was a quick sock, Bhod.
#12 Aug 15 2005 at 10:49 AM Rating: Excellent
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The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
It's always been racist. If We had a team named the New York Jews or the Florida Spics, it would be more apparent.


Disagree. Injuns or Redskins, yeah, I can see the argument. The name of a tribe, though, doesn't track as racist. Neither does Jew, for that matter.

At any rate, this is not the style of political rectitude that I find problematic. My problem is with "hyphenated Americans", be they African-, Latin-, Danish-, or Chinese-. As far as I'm concerned, you're American or you're not; either way, I don't really need to know much about your ancestry until such a time as we know each other well enough for me to be interested enough to ask. I understand the designations, and it's a little like trade unions: I can see why they were desirable and even necessary at one point, but now they seem more divisive and regressive than anything else.

The ONLY reason to identify as "beyond-American" is to feed at the trough of entitlement, which is why I found the article about recent immigrants from Africa snapping up all the scholarships earmarked for "African-Americans" to be so funny.

Of course native-born blacks protested that those funds were for THEIR kids, and immigrants were being given an unfair advantage. Well, if they were to be designated for poor urban American blacks, then it should have said so, period. I think this is what's known as being hoist on one's own petard.

Anyway, carry on. /hijack off
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#13 Aug 15 2005 at 10:52 AM Rating: Default
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The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
Buttercuup wrote:
I agree with the pontiac aztec thing. Gawd its ugly...

That was a quick sock, Bhod.


Not me, I do find it amusing that every obvious sock or troll since I left was some how attributed to me. When I troll I troll with my main.

I only have one sock and that is the one I use to post on the WoW boards and be all friendly and helpful without ruining my street rep of being an ***.
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#14REDACTED, Posted: Aug 15 2005 at 10:53 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Katie,
#15 Aug 15 2005 at 10:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
If I was a Native American, I'd be more upset about the Pontiac Aztek.

That is one ugly-*** chunk of metal.

I second that emotion.
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#16 Aug 15 2005 at 10:55 AM Rating: Default
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varrussword wrote:
Katie,

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Why do you continue to post Varrus? Its an honest question. You are almost always subdefault. Come on fess up, who's sock are you?


to get you wet...

Varus


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#17 Aug 15 2005 at 11:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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bhodisattva Defender of Justice wrote:
Not me, I do find it amusing that every obvious sock or troll since I left was some how attributed to me.
Thundra called. He wants his cross back.
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#18 Aug 15 2005 at 11:19 AM Rating: Default
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Jophiel wrote:
bhodisattva Defender of Justice wrote:
Not me, I do find it amusing that every obvious sock or troll since I left was some how attributed to me.
Thundra called. He wants his cross back.


Tell him that I've somehow become attached to it.
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#19 Aug 15 2005 at 1:00 PM Rating: Good
Jophiel wrote:
If I was a Native American, I'd be more upset about the Pontiac Aztek.

That is one ugly-*** chunk of metal.


I wrote to GM about that "auto-mobile" when it first came out...

What I wrote:

Pontiac Aztek, fix it or kill it.


It is quite apparent they didn't listen to my plea. Smiley: rolleyes
#20 Aug 15 2005 at 8:35 PM Rating: Good
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At any rate, this is not the style of political rectitude that I find problematic. My problem is with "hyphenated Americans", be they African-, Latin-, Danish-, or Chinese-. As far as I'm concerned, you're American or you're not; either way, I don't really need to know much about your ancestry until such a time as we know each other well enough for me to be interested enough to ask. I understand the designations, and it's a little like trade unions: I can see why they were desirable and even necessary at one point, but now they seem more divisive and regressive than anything else.


/agree

I think John Wayne said it best.

The Hyphen, Webster's Dictionary defines,
Is a symbol used to divide a
compound word or a single word.
So it seems to me that when a man calls himself
An "Afro-American," a "Mexican-American,"
"Italian-American," An "Irish-American,"
"Jewish-American,"
What he's sayin' is, "I'm a divided American."
Well, we all came from other places,
Different creeds and different races,
To form a nation...to become as one,
Yet look at the harm a line has done-
A simple little line, and yet
As divisive as a line can get.
A crooked cross the ***** flew,
And the Russian hammer and sickle too-
Time bombs in the lives of Man;
But none of these could ever fan
The fames of hatred faster than
The Hyphen.
The Russian hammer built a wall
That locks men's hearts from freedom's call.
A crooked cross flew overhead
Above twenty million tragic dead-
Among them men from this great nation,
Who died for freedom's preservation.
A hyphen is a line that's small;
It can be a bridge or be a wall.
A bridge can save you lots of time;
A wall you always have to climb.
The road to liberty lies true.
The Hyphen's use is up to you.
Used as a bridge, it can span
All the differences of Man.
Being free in mind and soul
Should be our most important goal.
If you use The Hyphen as a wall,
You'll make your life mean...and small.
An American is a special breed,
Whose people came to her in need.
They came to her that they might find
A world where they'd have peace of mind.
Where men are equal...and something more-
Stand taller than they stood before.
So you be wise in your decision,
And that little line won't cause division.
Let's join hands with one another...
For in this land, each man's your brother.
United we stand...divided we fall.
WE'RE AMERICANS...and that says it all.

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#21 Aug 15 2005 at 11:17 PM Rating: Decent
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John Wayne's not dead, he's frozen! And as soon as we find a cure for cancer we're gonna thaw out the Duke and he's gonna be pretty pissed off. Why? Have you ever taken a cold shower? Well multiply that by fifteen million times, that's how pissed off the Duke's gonna be. I'm gonna get the Duke, and John Cassavetes, and Sam Peckinpah and a case of whiskey and drive down to Texas...
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