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#1 Aug 10 2005 at 12:46 PM Rating: Good
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This just makes me angry. Fu[/b]cking barbarians. Smiley: oyvey


[b]Female circumcision surfaces in Iraq


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KIRKUK, IRAQ - Set on an arid plain southeast of Kirkuk, Hasira looks like a place forsaken by time. Sheep amble past mud-brick houses and the odd sickly palm tree shades children's games. There is no electricity.Yet along with 39 other villages in this region that Iraq's Kurds have named Germian (meaning hot place), Hasira and its people have become noted for presenting the first statistical evidence in Iraq of the existence of female circumcision, or female genital mutilation (FGM), as critics call it.

"We knew Germian was one of the areas most affected by the practice," says Thomas von der Osten-Sacken, director of a German nongovernmental organization called WADI, which has been based in Iraq for more than a decade.

Of 1,554 women and girls over 10 years old interviewed by WADI's local medical team, 907, or more than 60 percent, said they had had the operation. The practice is known to exist throughout the Middle East, particularly in northern Saudi Arabia, southern Jordan, and Iraq. There is also circumstantial evidence to suggest it is present in
Syria, western
Iran, and southern Turkey.

But while this practice was suspected in the region, there was never solid proof that the procedure was so prevalent.

Controversial findings
When WADI presented the results of its survey in Vienna this spring, Mr. Osten-Sacken recalls, various Iraqi groups accused the group of being an agent of the Israelis. Even the Iraqi Kurdish authorities, who have backed efforts to combat FGM since the late 1990s, were rattled.

While urban Kurds are generally more lax in religious practice and more Western-looking than most Iraqis - they are the major opponents of sharia for Iraq's new constitution, for instance - many rural pockets cling to traditions.

"The [Kurdish] Ministry of Human Rights hauled us in for questioning," says Assi Frooz Aziz, coordinator of WADI's Germian medical team. "They accused us of publicizing the country's secrets."

Secrecy obstructs awareness
But it's not just obstructionism that has held up awareness of the phenomenon. Unlike in parts of Africa, where FGM is practiced relatively openly, in the Middle East it is veiled in secrecy.

"You can't just walk into a village and ask people if they circumcise their daughters or not," says Germian social worker Hero Umar. "These people only talked because we've been bringing them medical help for over a year."

Women in Hasira and the surrounding villages are reluctant to talk. But after long negotiation, Trifa Rashid Abdulkerim agrees to answer questions.

A farmer's wife from the village of Milkhasim, she says she learned the techniques from her neighbor, and took over when she stopped performing the operation. "June is the best time of the year," she says, "and the best age for patients is between 3 and 8."

Anti-FGM campaigners point out that FGM crosses religious and ethnic boundaries.

But as a cleric in Sulaymaniyah puts it, "Islamic scholars have complex views on the phenomenon."

Sitting in his office in the Kurdish city, Mohammed Ahmed Gaznei explains.

"According to the Shafii school, which we Kurds belong to, circumcision is obligatory for both men and women. The Hanbali say it is obligatory only for men."

Personally opposed to female circumcision, Mr. Gaznei has helped in campaigns to stamp it out.

In 2002, he and other senior Kurdish clerics issued a religious edict, or fatwa, supporting the Hanbali practice. He has since appeared on TV several times to preach against FGM.

In Germian, however, information is slow to filter through the population. Women are still thought to be promiscuous if they are uncircumcised, some people here say.

"They say the food an uncircumcised woman cooks is unclean," says Shirin Ali, "and that a circumcised girl has more affection for her family."

WADI workers said that four months ago in a village just north of Hasira, a newly married - and uncircumcised - woman was so badly treated by her in-laws that she performed the operation on herself.

Hero Umar, the social worker, nonetheless thinks attitudes are slowly beginning to change.

"Most imams are cooperative," she notes. "The biggest obstacle remaining is the older generation of women."
#2REDACTED, Posted: Aug 10 2005 at 12:49 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) And cutting of part of someone's d[/b]ick is civilised and humane?
#3 Aug 10 2005 at 12:50 PM Rating: Good
proofeleven wrote:
And cutting of part of someone's d[/b]ick is civilised and humane?


Female circumcision is the equivilant off chopping of the END (or head) of your *****, not the ********. They remove the ******** you fu[b][/b]cking ******.

Edited, Wed Aug 10 13:49:50 2005 by ElderonXI
#4REDACTED, Posted: Aug 10 2005 at 12:53 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) not my point, *****
#5 Aug 10 2005 at 12:55 PM Rating: Decent
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proofeleven wrote:
And cutting of part of someone's d[/b]ick is civilised and humane?


You apparently don't understand the reasons behind doing this. It is so women don't enjoy the act of sex. This way, only men enjoy sex. It's barbaric at best.
#6 Aug 10 2005 at 12:57 PM Rating: Decent
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I was aware of this being somewhat prevalent in parts of Africa where Isalm is the predominant governing body, in the form of a theocracy, I had no clue it was practiced elsewhere.

How fu[/u]cking insecure in your manhood do you have to be to tolerate this kind of archaic shi[/i]t. How could someone let this happen to their daughter, fu[/u]cking sadistic.

Edited, Wed Aug 10 14:04:31 2005 by RedjedBlue
#7 Aug 10 2005 at 1:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Thats horrible, stupid fear of hell always making people do evil things.
#8 Aug 10 2005 at 1:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Smiley: disappointed Proof, circumcision on men removes useless skin that just gets in the way. Cutting off a woman's ******** leaves most women unable to have an ******, as somewhere around 70% of females can't ****** without a little clitoral stimulation.

This is just another way for religion to demean women. Most religions have done it and still do it. Most religions put men on a higher pedastal than women, because of the whole adam and eve story, and how women are evil.

Eve and Pandora are a couple of the most known stories that portray women as evil, stupid creatures.
#9 Aug 10 2005 at 1:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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You guys know you're arguing with a troll, right? And that he's just going to keep giving one lie "You're stupid!" responses to whatever you say?

I mean, it's your time and keystrokes and all. I'm just askin'.
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#10REDACTED, Posted: Aug 10 2005 at 1:04 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Actually, it was started to prevent ************* and most people would consider the ejaculatory trigger useless
#11 Aug 10 2005 at 1:10 PM Rating: Good
Proof supports female circumcision!!!!


are you really surprised? I'd support it to if i wanted to get a reaction
#12 Aug 10 2005 at 1:12 PM Rating: Good
Ahimsa the Venerable wrote:
Proof supports female circumcision!!!!


are you really surprised? I'd support it to if i wanted to get a reaction


Who are you?
#13 Aug 10 2005 at 1:14 PM Rating: Decent
Someone with a good point, I'd say.
#14 Aug 10 2005 at 1:18 PM Rating: Good
Oh, you took me seriously, Lefein. I was just saying it to say it. Smiley: laugh
#15 Aug 10 2005 at 1:20 PM Rating: Decent
I was just showing my support irregardless.
#16 Aug 10 2005 at 1:31 PM Rating: Default
Just thought i should point out that the ******** removed is NOT useless. in fact the amount of nerve endings in the **** is just about the same as the number in that bit of useless skin. Basically your sexual "fun" is way way way less with a circumsized **** than without one.
#17 Aug 10 2005 at 1:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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You probably should have pointed it out on your real account though instead of making a sock.
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#18 Aug 10 2005 at 1:38 PM Rating: Good
YouveGotJew wrote:
Just thought i should point out that the ******** removed is NOT useless. in fact the amount of nerve endings in the **** is just about the same as the number in that bit of useless skin. Basically your sexual "fun" is way way way less with a circumsized **** than without one.


Actually the ******** has over 18,000 nerve endings which far outstrips the ***** in its entirety.
#19 Aug 10 2005 at 1:44 PM Rating: Good
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YouveGotJew wrote:
Just thought i should point out that the ******** removed is NOT useless. in fact the amount of nerve endings in the **** is just about the same as the number in that bit of useless skin. Basically your sexual "fun" is way way way less with a circumsized **** than without one.



Yeah like men need an excuse to "blow their load" faster.
#20 Aug 10 2005 at 1:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Just thought i should point out that the ******** removed is NOT useless. in fact the amount of nerve endings in the **** is just about the same as the number in that bit of useless skin. Basically your sexual "fun" is way way way less with a circumsized di[b][/b]ck than without one.

Thought I extremely doubt the truth to this, I'd much rather have a non-sensitive ***** than have to apologize everytime I have sex.































Y'know...for cuming too fast...y'know...
#21 Aug 10 2005 at 1:55 PM Rating: Good
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Having a ******** can also lead to certain kind of infections if it is not cleaned properly after intercourse. Frankly I'll give up a little senstation to not have to have a man douche.

Anyways, back on topic, what exactly is anyone planning to do about this? Is Bush going to make sure the new Iraqi government makes laws against this sort of treatment of women, or what?
#22 Aug 10 2005 at 1:56 PM Rating: Good
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....Aaaaand a thread about vaginas somehow becomes a thread about penises.




BTW, there are two types of female circumcision. One removes the ******** and clitoral hood, the other includes both labia. In some cases, the women are stitched together--sometimes with such things as thorns--so everything comes out of one hole and they die from the infection.

Edit: There are actually three types. The first only removes part of the ******** and clitoral hood, and it's pretty much progressive from there. The practice is mostly African (26 nations), and a few Middle Eastern and Asian societies practice it as well.

Edited, Wed Aug 10 22:55:07 2005 by Atomicflea
#23 Aug 10 2005 at 1:57 PM Rating: Good
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Cutting off a woman's ******** leaves most women unable to have an ******, as somewhere around 70% of females can't ****** without a little clitoral stimulation.

Isn't the female ****** a myth anyway? Smiley: confused













I know it actually exists, some of you may get the joke.

Edited, Wed Aug 10 14:55:59 2005 by Kastigir
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#24 Aug 10 2005 at 2:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
....Aaaaand a thread about vaginas somehow becomes a thread about penises.
We're boiling it down to what's important Smiley: wink2
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#25 Aug 10 2005 at 2:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Anyways, back on topic, what exactly is anyone planning to do about this? Is Bush going to make sure the new Iraqi government makes laws against this sort of treatment of women, or what?



Shut up Dark!!

If GW every reads this sh[i][/i]it he'll end up sending another 200,000 troops over there to hunt down and kill the people who are doing this and then keep them there until they come home in black bags...and it will be all your fault!!!

Do you want that blood on your hands?

Moron



#26REDACTED, Posted: Aug 10 2005 at 2:09 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Different strokes...
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