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I hate them. Nothing like watching a nice fat bonus get raped by Uncle Sam. I was so going to buy that boat....
Call Bush and ask him for another $400. That's what I did.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
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Call Bush and ask him for another $400. That's what I did.
Or better yet, elect Hillary and send her the entire thing.
Oh yeah, got to love teh taxes. It always nice making 50k a year, but not so nice when you only bring him 36k
I earn three times what I used to. Used to pay twice the *rate* that I do now. How? I bought a home.
Rent? Not tax deductable. Interest on the house? Is.
That aside, the US is borrowing loads of money. There are good and bad reasons to borrow money. However, I think we're doing a great disservice to future generations by asking them to pick up the tab. Even now, a large chunk of the budget goes to simply paying the interest on the debt, and this will only get worse as the debt grows (unless the economy grows faster then the debt).
Cut the spending or raise taxes - we should live within our means.
Yet in recent times, we seem to vote for those who will borrow the most money.
Rent? Not tax deductable. Interest on the house? Is.
That aside, the US is borrowing loads of money. There are good and bad reasons to borrow money. However, I think we're doing a great disservice to future generations by asking them to pick up the tab. Even now, a large chunk of the budget goes to simply paying the interest on the debt, and this will only get worse as the debt grows (unless the economy grows faster then the debt).
Cut the spending or raise taxes - we should live within our means.
Yet in recent times, we seem to vote for those who will borrow the most money.
Check out the Fair Tax plan...
Varus
Varus
Years ago I used to work for a financial investment company, the bonuses we would get were a major incentive to the job and you would work your *** off to get them. I remember overwhelming joy I had the first time, after hearing from my floor director what my bonus was.
Then I remember the sorrow of seeing what was taken out the bonus for taxes, it was like having your own personal "Black Monday".
Then I remember the sorrow of seeing what was taken out the bonus for taxes, it was like having your own personal "Black Monday".
[quote]Check out the Fair Tax plan... [//quote]
Now that's an oxymoron if I ever heard one!
Now that's an oxymoron if I ever heard one!
Neph wrote:
I was so going to buy that boat....
That's ok Neph, they say the only times you ever like a boat are the day you buy it and the day you sell it.
varrussword wrote:
Check out the Fair Tax plan...
Varus
Varus
How the taxes are collected is secondary - either *more* need to be collected, or spending needs to be cut - or we are going to dump an insane ammount of debt onto our children.
You're not referring to this are you? http://www.fairtax.org/
fairtax.org_FAQ wrote:
What about border issues? It is unlikely that “shopping across the border†in Canada or Mexico will result in any cost savings to the consumer. Remember, the FairTax is revenue neutral and therefore price neutral. This means the final cost of retail goods and services after the FairTax remains very close to the same levels found in the marketplace today...
In general, it would be great. However, if I can walk across the boarder and walk back with my new laptop, or my wife's wedding ring, and avoid the 23% US federal tax and the 8% California state tax, I'm not sure I wouldn't do it.
And with the internet, I'm not sure how we'd prevent people from getting a PO box in Canada or Mexico and ordering things to be delivered there and shipped (perhaps even by courier) to their doors.
Of course, these problems may well pale compared to the income tax issues we have *right now*.
According to the website, "Under the FairTax, all homeowners make their entire house payment with pre-tax dollars."
This preserves the only point I brought up earlier even remotely concerning fairness!
Of course, rent is not going to be taxed either, or is it? There is no mention in the FAQ.
Lastly, I seriously doubt 23% will do it. From the FAQ corporations pay *nothing* - it is pretty darn easy to decide one is a corporation and buy oneself a company car...further, I'd be paying even less then I do now - and I would have paid far less when I was making less money. If we all pay less it can't work. We're already generating huge defecits as is.
You could always ask for all your taxes back, but then pay for your own police and fire protection, have your student loans be completely due tomorrow, pay a toll every time you pull your car onto the street, and spend your saturdays digging a well in your backyard or laying some pipe connecting to the nearest river.
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No rent wouldn't be taxable. Taxes would only be on new home purchases. Not only that but you've forgotten to mention the 400$ rebate for the necesities of living for the minimum wage folks.
$400 whole dollars! Why what would I ever spend that on.
That is just damn well pathetic, they give poor people 400 bucks while the top money makers in the country get 2.4 billion, great society we live in.
2.4 billion was tax break given to energy companies, believe the dollar amount was right, too lazy to look it up
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You could always ask for all your taxes back, but then pay for your own police and fire protection, have your student loans be completely due tomorrow, pay a toll every time you pull your car onto the street, and spend your saturdays digging a well in your backyard or laying some pipe connecting to the nearest river.
I was waiting for some idiot to say this...
Surprised it was you tricky. Well, not really.
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What in ignorant person you are. Currently even the minimum wagers pay medicare/medicade. By this plan they won't have to pay that and on top of that they're getting 100 bucks a week for food. The top money makers pay over 95% of all taxes; so you're p*ssed they're successful and you're not I can accept that. But this plan will benefit even the poor who don't pay sh*t as it is. All this plan does is take the money out of the governments hands and puts it back in the hands of the people that actually earn it. What part of that don't you like?
Varus
Varus
What kind of an ****** are you? Oh nevermind...
All I stated was that one of your big selling points was a whole $400 tax rebate to the poor...
I never said a single other thing about the rest of the bill, so before you tried to go ballistic, you should of read my post and realized how fucking wrong you are.
The top 95% money earners in this country do not pay a dime in taxes, the top 95% of money earners are corporations, they get more tax breaks than there are tax codes.
The top 95% of individual money earners do pay a large chunk of the taxes, but the top 95% of the MONEY EARNERS are not paying the most taxes.
I dont care about being succesful, wasnt pissed about anything, but then again you make generalizations based on your own thought up ideas and try to say other people said it.
I'm all for taking money out of the governments hands and putting it back into the peoples, but it never happens that way. Tax breaks always favor big business, never the little fish in the pond.
So be naive all you want and be grateful when you receive that $400 in the mail, don't ever think about the CEO's who got 200 grand back and stuffed their mattress with $100 bills.
Edited, Fri Jul 29 14:15:25 2005 by Kronig
NephthysWanderer the Charming wrote:
I was waiting for some idiot to say this...
Surprised it was you tricky. Well, not really.
Surprised it was you tricky. Well, not really.
Do I win a cookie?
I was completely aware your OP was facetious, but that doesn't mean it's not still fun to respond. And my post count has been dragging lately.
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Do I win a cookie?
We like to say please in this house young man.
Haven't seen much posting from you, summer heat getting to you?
Was gone for a wedding and then to visit relatives in Kansas City for a few days.
trickybeck wrote:
You could always ask for all your taxes back, but then pay for your own police and fire protection,
Ok I am referring to fedral taxes. State and local taxes are not out of control like Medicad, Federal tax, Social secuirty.
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have your student loans be completely due tomorrow,
I paid for my College classes up front, it is called working full time and going to school.
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pay a toll every time you pull your car onto the street, and spend your saturdays digging a well in your backyard or laying some pipe connecting to the nearest river.
Once again refer to above about not talking about local and State.
Edited, Fri Jul 29 14:50:57 2005 by Proroc
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trickybeck wrote:
You could always ask for all your taxes back, but then pay for your own police and fire protection,
Ok I am referring to fedral taxes. State and local taxes are not out of control like Medicad, Federal tax, Social secuirty.
You could always ask for all your taxes back, but then pay for your own police and fire protection,
Ok I am referring to fedral taxes. State and local taxes are not out of control like Medicad, Federal tax, Social secuirty.
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pay a toll every time you pull your car onto the street, and spend your saturdays digging a well in your backyard or laying some pipe connecting to the nearest river.
Once again refer to above about not talking about local and State.
pay a toll every time you pull your car onto the street, and spend your saturdays digging a well in your backyard or laying some pipe connecting to the nearest river.
Once again refer to above about not talking about local and State.
Tricky wasn't talking about local and state either, if you actually believe that all of the funding for police,fire, road, and the 100's of other departments comes from your sales tax and local taxes you are grossly mistaken.
A good portion of the funding your state receives comes from federal taxes, the government subsidizes the cities and counties so they can afford to fix roads and provide that police officer who pulled you over for speeding.
I hate them. Nothing like watching a nice fat bonus get raped by Uncle Sam. I was so going to buy that boat.... ----------------------------------
do you hate the roads you drive on?
how about the firemen who save lives and property?
how about the hospitol who will treat you first and ask for money later?
do you hate the markers that warn you of shallow water when you are in your boat?
do you hate the tag on your boat trailer that keeps everyone else from putting their boat on it and saying it is theirs?
do you hate the police that atleast deter normal people from shooting at you for no apparent reason?
do you hate the prisons that keep really bad people from causing more harm?
do you hate the courthouse that will listen to you when someone takes something from you unjustly?
taxes are our friend. for the pissant little bit of money they take from your paycheck, you reep significant rewards. the money they take from you in your life time wouldnt even pay for the pavement you use to get to work every day.
need to step out of your little world you make for yourself, and look at the big picture once in a while.
do you hate the roads you drive on?
how about the firemen who save lives and property?
how about the hospitol who will treat you first and ask for money later?
do you hate the markers that warn you of shallow water when you are in your boat?
do you hate the tag on your boat trailer that keeps everyone else from putting their boat on it and saying it is theirs?
do you hate the police that atleast deter normal people from shooting at you for no apparent reason?
do you hate the prisons that keep really bad people from causing more harm?
do you hate the courthouse that will listen to you when someone takes something from you unjustly?
taxes are our friend. for the pissant little bit of money they take from your paycheck, you reep significant rewards. the money they take from you in your life time wouldnt even pay for the pavement you use to get to work every day.
need to step out of your little world you make for yourself, and look at the big picture once in a while.
shadowrelm wrote:
I hate them. Nothing like watching a nice fat bonus get raped by Uncle Sam. I was so going to buy that boat.... ----------------------------------
do you hate the roads you drive on? Yes, they all have potholes.
how about the firemen who save lives and property? My life has never been at risk, and as for my property, is that not what insurance is for?
how about the hospitol who will treat you first and ask for money later? No comment, but you spelled hospital wrong.
do you hate the markers that warn you of shallow water when you are in your boat? I can't afford a boat due to taxes.
do you hate the tag on your boat trailer that keeps everyone else from putting their boat on it and saying it is theirs?
Lmao, Taxes dont pay for that, you do, after you get your paycheck with taxes already taken out.
do you hate the police that atleast deter normal people from shooting at you for no apparent reason? nah, there are quite a few people I would like to shoot.
do you hate the prisons that keep really bad people from causing more harm? Nah, cause I would just shoot them if there were no police.
do you hate the courthouse that will listen to you when someone takes something from you unjustly? That is not ture unless you can afford a good lawyer.
do you hate the roads you drive on? Yes, they all have potholes.
how about the firemen who save lives and property? My life has never been at risk, and as for my property, is that not what insurance is for?
how about the hospitol who will treat you first and ask for money later? No comment, but you spelled hospital wrong.
do you hate the markers that warn you of shallow water when you are in your boat? I can't afford a boat due to taxes.
do you hate the tag on your boat trailer that keeps everyone else from putting their boat on it and saying it is theirs?
Lmao, Taxes dont pay for that, you do, after you get your paycheck with taxes already taken out.
do you hate the police that atleast deter normal people from shooting at you for no apparent reason? nah, there are quite a few people I would like to shoot.
do you hate the prisons that keep really bad people from causing more harm? Nah, cause I would just shoot them if there were no police.
do you hate the courthouse that will listen to you when someone takes something from you unjustly? That is not ture unless you can afford a good lawyer.
I'm fairly certain nobody in this thread was talking to you, proroc.
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It's apparent you're nothing more than tornado bait trailer can white trash with with statements like this. Do you honestly think CEO's bury and hide their money? Allow me to educate you're white trash as*. Lets say I get a 200k tax break based on the fair tax plan. What the wealthy do is reinvest, or spend, their money. Because they know the value of compound interest. Stuffing a mattress with money is the same as throwing it away because you're losing the interest that money could be making. I buy a 200k boat; it took people to make that boat to distribute and sell it. By buying that boat I just employeed someone.
I'm curious do you actually have any investments or have any wealthy friends? Ask them what they do with their money.
I'm curious do you actually have any investments or have any wealthy friends? Ask them what they do with their money.
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but then again you make generalizations based on your own thought up ideas
enough said...
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