I hope this hasnt been posted yet.
From what I managed to hear on the news before I had to leave the house was that a Brazilian man was shot dead after fleeing from police who suspected him of being a terrorist. He was shot 8 times and then pronounced dead. The body man was identified and prooven innocent.
The man was acting suspicious and the police followed him for a while before they confronted him. Then despite several warnings he still ran and was shot.
Lots of people are very unhappy with this incident and an investigation is underway from what I know. In my opinion this whole thing could have been avoided. Had he not ran away and just surrendered he would have been just fine because he did nothing. Instead he ran away only making him look even more guilty. What were the police to do? If he was a criminal they couldn't just let him get away. If he was a tarrorist they DEFNIATELY couldn't let him get away he could have murdered a few thousand more people. I think the police were right to take action.
Id like to read a few of other peoples opinions on this.
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SlubbaDub wrote:
I hope this hasnt been posted yet.
Groundhog Day
GFY. I reckon SlubbaDub is a Fuc[i][/i]king Closet Brazilian Electrician! Kill the mo'fo'!!!
"I started out with nothin' and I still got most of it left" - Seasick Steve
Recent suicide bombings + running from cops into a subway wearing a bulky jacket = double-tap to the skull.
He may have been innocent, but was guilty of being an idiot. I don't give a fu[/b]ck how cold Brazilians consider the English weather.
He may have been innocent, but was guilty of being an idiot. I don't give a fu[/b]ck how cold Brazilians consider the English weather.
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
A sad mistake. Poor kid.
Debalic wrote:
Recent suicide bombings + running from cops into a subway wearing a bulky jacket = double-tap to the skull.
He may have been innocent, but was guilty of being an idiot. I don't give a fu[/b]ck how cold Brazilians consider the English weather.
He may have been innocent, but was guilty of being an idiot. I don't give a fu[/b]ck how cold Brazilians consider the English weather.
What, young colored men running from the cops? They're shot down regularly here in NY.
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
Yep, and for the same reason.
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Well at least it had'nt been posted here yet. I just can't help but wonder if the man wasn't innocent and they let him get away that those police officers would STILL be hated by everyone and thoroughly investigated anyway.
SlubbaDub wrote:
Well at least it had'nt been posted here yet. I just can't help but wonder if the man wasn't innocent and they let him get away that those police officers would STILL be hated by everyone and thoroughly investigated anyway.
For Fu[i][/i]ck's Sake!
And as I said in the original thread, he was a Brazilian Electrician! Who gives a flying elephant's scrote? Seriously
"I started out with nothin' and I still got most of it left" - Seasick Steve
They have electricity in Brazil? Who'd'a thunk it?
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
Debalic wrote:
They have electricity in Brazil? Who'd'a thunk it?
Oblique reference that only the infirm and wrinkly will understand
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Follow the link in my original reply you stoooooopid piece of nun ****** You fail at t3h enternets and you are an ****.
For ****'s Sake!
And as I said in the original thread, he was a Brazilian Electrician! Who gives a flying elephant's scrote? Seriously
For ****'s Sake!
And as I said in the original thread, he was a Brazilian Electrician! Who gives a flying elephant's scrote? Seriously
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and they have an awful lot of coffee.
My my...maybe you should stop drinking that coffee and relax a little. There is a thread about suicide in here too. Maybe you should consider offing yourself sometime.
I may fail at the internet but you fail at life. My two cents.
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Don't mind me I'm just a little confused on who I am at the moment.
Cherrio!
Cherrio!
SlubbaDub.
You really are a **** aren't you
Don't you have any electrical sockets to tongue-test?
You really are a **** aren't you
Don't you have any electrical sockets to tongue-test?
"I started out with nothin' and I still got most of it left" - Seasick Steve
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No but I have a bar of soap that you should possibly consider ramming down your own throat. Maybe if you would form a constructive argument rather then simply repeating the words "T##t, C##t and F##k" over and over again. This might actually be interesting.
Looks like everyone else stopped posting in this thread long ago. Please do yourself a favor and end your life now.
Looks like everyone else stopped posting in this thread long ago. Please do yourself a favor and end your life now.
How would that be doing him a favor? Seems more like it'd benefit you more than PM. Anywho, back on topic.
Police should carry tranq guns as well as regular guns. That way, police would A) Have to be smart enough to remember which gun is which, weeding out quite a bit of officers, and B) They wouldn't be able to "bust a cap" in anyone that ran, and just tranq them instead, giving them a chance to 1) Live and 2) Be proven innocent while still alive.
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Police should carry tranq guns as well as regular guns. That way, police would A) Have to be smart enough to remember which gun is which, weeding out quite a bit of officers, and B) They wouldn't be able to "bust a cap" in anyone that ran, and just tranq them instead, giving them a chance to 1) Live and 2) Be proven innocent while still alive.
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PottyMouth wrote:
and they have an awful lot of coffee.
They have a lot fun there too.
Edited, Mon Jul 25 20:22:42 2005 by FourthReich
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Police should carry tranq guns as well as regular guns. That way, police would A) Have to be smart enough to remember which gun is which, weeding out quite a bit of officers, and B) They wouldn't be able to "bust a cap" in anyone that ran, and just tranq them instead, giving them a chance to 1) Live and 2) Be proven innocent while still alive.
I contest this idea simply because this planet has a lot of spare fu[/i]ckers at the moment.
It's not like 6,000 years ago when you could be guilty of disobeying a direct order from God and get away with it because you had the only snatch in all of Eden.
People are highly expendable at this juncture.
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2) Be proven innocent while still alive.
Last time i checked it was innocent untill proven guilty......
They couldn't use a stun gun you F*cking Idiot, they thought he had 10 kilo's of high explosive strapped to himself and 6000 volts of electricity would have set it off.
Surviving an encounter with armed police 101
1. When they shout "stop or i will shoot" they mean it, so stop or you'll be shot.
2. If you run away from armed police, see point 1.
Surviving an encounter with armed police 101
1. When they shout "stop or i will shoot" they mean it, so stop or you'll be shot.
2. If you run away from armed police, see point 1.
You don't shoot somebody because you THINK they have explosives on them.
Leondol wrote:
You don't shoot somebody because you THINK they have explosives on them.
If they're running into a tube station where detonation could kill scores of people, versus maybe a chance it'll go off if you shoot him in the street where at worse maybe a few people will be injured, then yeah, you shoot.
This is all beside the point though. It's funny how current events color our opinions and assumptions about things. How many times every year do people get shot by police for refusing to stop in a situation like that? It's not super common, but it does happen pretty regularly, even in the UK.
The difference is that at any other time, the event would appear on the news, you'd go "gee that sucks", and have forgotten about it by the time you finished your dinner. But in near chonological proximity to the recent bombings in London, you pay a lot more attention to it. Odds are this guy was just one of those dozen or so idiots every year who die to police gunfire because they were too stupid to just stop when the police told them to.
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
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How many times every year do people get shot by police for refusing to stop in a situation like that? It's not super common, but it does happen pretty regularly, even in the UK.
Best I could find was Amnesty International mentioning two people "unlawfully killed" by UK police in a 2005 report. One was shot in 1999 and one in 2001. That said, I do have to agree that ignoring police commands to stop and trying to evade the police by running into the subway while wearing a bulky coat a day or two after the subways were bombed just isn't a smart idea. On the other hand, I expressed surpise the day it happened that the police didn't simply arrest him once they had him on the ground instead of shooting him. People said it was because police feared that he may have been able to set off an explosive device in his jacket which I suppose makes sense.
A shame that it happened but I find it hard to pin the blame solely on the police.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
I remember after 9/11 a lot of our rights took a hit in the name of the War Against Terror, and now this kid being shot is all his fault, he's a dumbass, no real loss, etc. In the meantime, he was someone's son, trying to have a better life, and he didn't deserve what was done to him.
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It's not like running away was the best desicion he could have made(it's thought by his family that he didn't stop because his visa was expired, and yes, it's hellishly hot in Brazil and the coat was because he was chilly, but maybe he didn't think that the cops might shoot him for it). It's also not like he couldn't have been incapacitated by a shot to the torso or leg. Or seven. What is true is that he died as a cause of terror, innocent of any real malice, it's a damned shame, and whoever made the desicion to shoot needs to be held as responsible for it as Menezes was for his desicion to run.
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Menezes was shot seven times in the head and once in the shoulder
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It's not like running away was the best desicion he could have made(it's thought by his family that he didn't stop because his visa was expired, and yes, it's hellishly hot in Brazil and the coat was because he was chilly, but maybe he didn't think that the cops might shoot him for it). It's also not like he couldn't have been incapacitated by a shot to the torso or leg. Or seven. What is true is that he died as a cause of terror, innocent of any real malice, it's a damned shame, and whoever made the desicion to shoot needs to be held as responsible for it as Menezes was for his desicion to run.
What I dont get is why they didnt shoot him in the leg or somewhwere that might not have been fatal? I understand he could have easily been holding explosions, which he could have detonated, but multple times in the head seems quite extreme.
I agree if you run from police you are bound to get hurt, no matter your innocence. The guy was not using his head at all by running towards the subway after the cops called out to him. From the polices point of view, they had every right to think he could have been a suspect. I would have thought the same thing if I were in their situation. Even one shot would have been justified IMO the way things looked that day. But multiple shots to the head screams of a trigger happy, overly anxious force, and I wonder if it could easily happen again
I agree if you run from police you are bound to get hurt, no matter your innocence. The guy was not using his head at all by running towards the subway after the cops called out to him. From the polices point of view, they had every right to think he could have been a suspect. I would have thought the same thing if I were in their situation. Even one shot would have been justified IMO the way things looked that day. But multiple shots to the head screams of a trigger happy, overly anxious force, and I wonder if it could easily happen again
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