shadowrelm wrote:
we were attacked on 9-11 because we WERE STTTING ON muslim land. not because of our politics. not because they want to take over the world. not because they hate freedom.
but simply because we were there and would not leave.
Wait! So you are now saying that Iraq was related to the 9/11 attacks? Say it ain't so!
You are aware that you are directly blaming the UNs methodology of protracted weapons inspections for the 9/11 attacks, right? If the UN had allowed us to continue attacking in 91, instead of adopting the strategy they did, we would not have had forces stationed in Saudi Arabia for that long. If the UN had decided that Iraq was not complying and done the "right thing" back in the 90s, and done something directly as a body instead of making us take the action, maybe 9/11 wouldn't have happened.
Kinda throws the whole "But Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11" argument out the window. You just directly connected them. Welcome to the reality of international politics...
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iraq is the same. the attacks are happeing because WE are there, sitting on THEIR land.
thats it. the whole story. the one washington will deny to the end because it undermines their agenda.
want the killing to stop? DONT BE THERE. want to help iraq? PUT MUSLIMS THERE.....AND.....DONT BE THERE.
Which is exactly what we're trying to do skippy! The whole point of attacking Iraq was to resolve the problems with Saddam's government with the least amount of time spent in/on muslim soil. How do you not get this? The UN thought that the sanctions and inspection process was "working as intended". How many decades were we supposed to sit imposing them for the UN, while more folks like bin Laden prepared attacks against us?
The funny thing is that you are correct, but you don't seem to be able to logically move from realizing what the problem is, to realizing a solution. We were legally bound to enforce the UN resolutions against Iraq. But that required that we maintain a military and political presence there. You get that this was a big part of why Al-queda attacked us, but don't get that the quickest way to get us out of that situation is to attack Iraq, remove Saddam from power, replace him with a stable Muslim run democracy, and then hand power over to that muslim democracy.
Um. That's exactly what we've done. What more do you expect? Our soldiers are doing less and less of the soldiering in Iraq every day. The Iraqi defense foces are growing and getting better trained and equipped every day. We are doing *exactly* what we should do. In a few years, we'll likely have a very minimal amount of force in Iraq. No more then we've had in other parts of the region for decades. Certainly *less* then we had while enforcing UN sanctions over the last decade. That's the goal here.
And yeah. In the short term, that means that now the new Iraqi military and police are the targets for terrorists. Because they're seen as agents of the US. But in time that will change. How about you wait and see before condemning the current action and demanding an impossible set of conditions for success?
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you wonder why you never hear that on the news? EVERY OTHER COUNTRY in the WORLD does. wonder why the rest of the world thinks we are IGNORANT? ..........
Huh? We do get that. The largest amount of ignorance is those who criticize the actions of our military in the region with virtually zero understanding of what their mission is right now. All you hear is body count. How many people were blown up this week in Iraq? Do you have a clue how many schools we've built? How many factories? Roads? Bridges? Power plants? Of course not. Because you care more about finding the exceptions that supports your "side", then learning about what is really going on every day in Iraq. You don't care to know about that because that would mean accepting the fact that what we're doing is actually working. You don't want to know that because that might make you have to admit that maybe the Bush administration is the first US administration to actually look at the problem of terrorism realistically and take actions that can actually work.
And you'll never want to admit that...