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Okay I know this is blatant link whoring, but this is just frightening .

Ok, they could have charged him with arson, they could have charged him with robbery, they could have charged him with public drunkeness, they could have charged him with underage drinking... but "the burning of a venerable object".

I think its pathetic that we get in a hissyfit whenever someboedy burns a flag, it's not like its anything we can respect anymore. A small part of it dies everytime a family sues the property owners where ever there little brat killed himself. A tiny shred of it is burned whenever some ****** calls a rise to wobbly arms for his/her right to "make a lifestyle choice". The credibility of this nation is destroyed when a tit poppin out brings a lawsuit and a person being brutally murdered on tv brings a laugh.

So now that I'm done ranting what are your views on flag burning and other (nonviolent)extremist methods of protest.
Personally I don't care as long as they don't set anything, other than themselves, on fire.

Edited, Sat Jul 16 00:11:37 2005 by Emeauxpunk

I believe that the flag represents America and freedom, NOT the government and how it's dealing with everything. Burning a flag should be a serious offense, as it's literally like spitting in the faces of old war heroes and veterans. It's just not right... If you have a problem, burn a senator, not a flag.

Regarding the kid in the link:



Umm, they did. As well as theft, evading arrest, and another thing. The kid deserves what little time he gets in jail; it's not all about the flag burny burny.

Chand have you ever heard of a saying that goes "Sir I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Yes burning the flag may be a spit in the face of all the soldiers who have fought in wars, but you can't make it a serius offense just because it doesn't settle well with you.

Right now, I believe it is - thus the numerous time anti-flag burning (desecration) amendments to the US constitution which have been proposed.

your rights are slowly being stripped away. and 51 percetn of you idiots voted for it, so stop whinning.

freedom of speach. you can no longer burn a flag as protest.

right to personel property. the satte can now take your land under immenent domain and sell it to a developer if they feel it is in the best interest of the state.

freedom from discrimination. as long as you are not gay.

stop whinning and suck it up. half the people you live with think it is a good idea to strip away your freedoms.

Shadow, burn the Union Jack or Georges Cross and i would shoot you in the face, and that has F*CK all to do with the way i feel about Mr Blair.

Desecrate my flag, desecrate my country.

Simple as that.

Thanks for clearing that up, Mr. categorical authority.


How could I have been so stupid?

Although are politicians are pathetic, thats actually what I'm embarassed about, the average american citizen and what America has come to represent. As far as burning a senatar goes it totally destroys the point of allowing non-violent protest but..... hmmm.

Oh and to why we Americans actually care, we're genernally whiny, idealistic, and have nothing better to complain about so we bring up crap like this. I'm sure someone else has a better explanation but these are the main reasons for my post.

Burning a flag should be a serious offense,
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as serious as lieing to the american people?

as serious as torturing humen beings held in a prison?

as serious as starting a war that killed tens of thousands of people based on a LIE?

just how serious an offense should it be? you let this addministraition walk all over it and what you think it stands for but you want to punnish someone who usses it to vent his fustriation and anger?

better the flag than a CIVIL WAR.

Hey, if you nominated someone other than that robot Kerry we might have voted differently. You nominate Hillary and there's a good chance we'll have another pubbie in office. Bush is scary but I would feel a lot less safe if Kerry would have been runnin these four years.

I agree, didn't really look at it that way, I was too hasty with my words and degree of 'punishment' that I felt proper. Though, I feel that something should at least be set down to let people know "Hey, that's not all that cool... Take it up with the people you're really mad at, not with those who went out there and fought for our country." There's really no reason to ever be mad at our troops; there's reason to be mad with who ordered them to do what they have done and are doing. Read below to see why I continue to feel that the flag represents our troops.



Let me see some proof that a politician designed the flag as a symbol to represent the government of this country. To my knowledge, the flag represents all of our states, and the ideas we came over here with as we first began the nation we wanted.



Umm, whether or not you capitalize the word 'fact', it doesn't make it anymore true without proof. Do you work for the government? Do you get butthurt and start crying like a pansy whenever someone burns a flag? And if the flag has nothing to do with those who fought for this country, why is it that you have history channel programs where vets tell you about how important the flag was and is to them. Or wait, is the history channel a government ploy to spread propaganda to Americans like myself? Oh noes! You're all that's left! Make like Mel Gibson and fight the Conspiracy!

Truth is, even if it's one person who marched into enemy territory with a flag, that flag symbolizes those (or that man) who fought for our nation.



First, who are you to tell me how I came about my opinion? I didn't get any of this from bullsh[/b]it propaganda, but from firsthand experience of asking those whom served about what it was like and what they felt they were fighting for. I'm standing up and cheering for something I know has a huge importance in our nations history.

Second, it's "soldiers" not "solders" you illiterate *******. One or two words mispelled here and there is fine, everyone does it, but if you try to come off sounding like some intelligent "I know more than you because I didn't fall to the government's propaganda" person, at least know how to use proper spelling and grammar.

shadowrealm wrote:

disparraging this government and its symbols isnot disparraging the solders tho fight for this country.

this addministraition wants to tie the two together to get you stupid sheep to feel guilty about criticizing the whitehouse.

adn for you, it aparrentoy worked. you are living proof of the saying "if you tell the lie often enough, people will believe it"

the moral majority lieing...err...working for you.

Again, learn to fu[b]cking spell. You assume again that the government has had some sort of 'effect' on me to fabricate my views, when the truth is, I'm not really liking the government all that much these days. I am a Bush supporter, but even Independents' like myself have a point where they finally go "this is getting too out of hand." When I look at the flag, regardless if even what you say about the government is true and they are using the flag as a scape-goat, I support the flag for the simple fact that those who served used it as a object of faith.

The faith doesn't need to be anything more than a little sign of hope that, that person will live through the night. You can't deny that at least one soldier didn't look up to it that way. Call me a standard republican redneck, but at least I didn't drop out of 4th grade English.



It's called a joke, look it up. Comedic relief helps me to let people realize that I'm not being some hardcore, serious prick. Guess it didn't work =/

Edited: Because the word 'hasty' does not have an 'e' in it. See Shadowrealm? This is what the edit button is for, to make things look more presentable if you fudged up.

Edited, Mon Jul 18 05:49:59 2005 by Chand

Hey, if you nominated someone other than that robot Kerry we might have voted differently. You nominate Hillary and there's a good chance we'll have another pubbie in office.
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point taken. the line up for the democratic party was a choice between dumb, dumb, and dumber. and if hillrey is nominated, i will probably vote republican myself.

republicans are not all that bad. Bush Sr. i felt was the brightest man to hold the whitehouse in my lifetime. Regan did what needed to be done IMO. some bad, some good. i would have voted for and still would vote for McCain.

Bush makes the hair stand up on my neck. i have never felt such outright contempt for a politician ever. to so glibly out right lie to get support for something that will most assuridly cause the deaths of tens of thousands of human beings. to casually use a national tragedy to twist your anger into supporting something that had nothing to do with the tragedy, at the cost of unnecessary pain and suffering and the deaths os so many people.

all politicians are criminals to some extent. i truly feel this politician is out right evil.

i would vote for an idiot to stop someone who i consider evil. but bush is not running again, so really, i dont care which party wins next time.

my biggest gripe is how the american people will accept outright lies. i absolutly cannot believe a large chunk of the population is willing to accept any kind of justification of torture at all, under any circumstance, irreguardless of the legal aspect.

but they are.

burning the flag? it needs to be burned. the country it USED to stand for is no longer.

the day we can claim morality, and justify the torture of human beings, not to mention the butchering of thousands and thousands of men, women, and children for a POLITICAL agenda, is the day this country is no longer blessed by God.

the stars and stripes no longer has any meaning in this country. its people have been subverted.