This is a question for anyone in the military:
Are you religious?
What do you believe?
Im curious, because i have served in the US Army for 5 years and have never met another atheist >.<.
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Nope not in the slightest, but i like our Padre he's a really nice guy with alot of good advice.
I'm glad he and his brethren are wth us.
i would say that in my mess of 30 people roughly 7 are deeply religious
another 10 believe in god and most of the rest only believe in beer 
I'm glad he and his brethren are wth us.
i would say that in my mess of 30 people roughly 7 are deeply religious
another 10 believe in god and most of the rest only believe in beer 
lol, i hear that ^^.
I was just reading an article a week ago about a army base that was being investigated because they made fun of jews and forced prayer on the people and such.
Do you think I can find it now?
Damn Liberal Media!
Do you think I can find it now?
Damn Liberal Media!
Bode - 100 Holy Paladin - Lightbringer
wasnt an army base, it was the AirForce academy, which is even worse since its a school environment.
EvilPhysicist wrote:
Im curious, because i have served in the US Army for 5 years and have never met another atheist >.<.
An old platitude wrote:
There are no atheists in foxholes.
yes, i know that one well, that specific statement basically assumes everyone close to death will admit there is a god "just in case"..
On another note, if you analyze the people in the military you will find them to be in a majority from the south and midwest, and mostly republican. Often times the same people who fall for the "Be very religious" are more easy prey to manipulation by extreme patriotism. Not to say atheists are non patriotic, we simply are less willing to die for polititions. This is one reason i believe athiest are limited in the military, that and the fact that it is politically incorrect to be anything but christian these days, especially in the military.
Basically, i serve my country just as well as any other soldier, i just think my motivations are a bit different, not better, just different.
On another note, if you analyze the people in the military you will find them to be in a majority from the south and midwest, and mostly republican. Often times the same people who fall for the "Be very religious" are more easy prey to manipulation by extreme patriotism. Not to say atheists are non patriotic, we simply are less willing to die for polititions. This is one reason i believe athiest are limited in the military, that and the fact that it is politically incorrect to be anything but christian these days, especially in the military.
Basically, i serve my country just as well as any other soldier, i just think my motivations are a bit different, not better, just different.
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it is politically incorrect to be anything but christian these days, especially in the military
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This is one reason i believe athiest are limited in the military, that and the fact that it is politically incorrect to be anything but christian these days, especially in the military.
Huh? I have been a Marine for 13 years and with the exception of when I have been hospitalized and when I got my dog tags I cant remember anyone asking me what religion if any I prescribed to.
Maybe it's different in the Army. /shrug.
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Often times the same people who fall for the "Be very religious" are more easy prey to manipulation by extreme patriotism.
Or it could be that the same people who feel the calling of a higher power also feel the call of a duty to their country.
You wonder why the Military is mostly Republican.
May be it's that the attitude of the left toward the Military is much like your own, that they are a bunch of uneducated rednecks easily manipulated by others that turns them off.
Maybe it's the spectre of the Vietnam era when the anti war crowd (seen by most as a part of the left) spit on returning troops and decried them as baby killers, murderer's, and war criminals.
The same people are around today with the war on Iraq. While they dont outright call vets the same names they did back in the 60's and 70's (mostly because of the backlash they would feel from the majority of the country) the Military knows what they mean and how they feel.
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yes, i know that one well, that specific statement basically assumes everyone close to death will admit there is a god "just in case"..
You sound like Blaine the Train.
You wonder why the Military is mostly Republican.
May be it's that the attitude of the left toward the Military is much like your own, that they are a bunch of uneducated rednecks easily manipulated by others that turns them off.
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they are mostly rebuplican because the republican party has historically supported higher military spending and expansion than democrats, who are more geared for spending on social services.
as far as religion goes, as far back as the roman empire religion has been used to inspire the sacrifice necessary from the masses to commit war. so it goes without saying, even today, religion plays a large part in our military.
your average atheist will put his life above any "cause". your average christian recognizes a higher calling and thus is a ripe resource for military recruters to show them a new path for serving a higher calling.
religion is used to find people willing ot sacrifice themselves for a cause......both here and in the islamic world. scarey, isnt it?
May be it's that the attitude of the left toward the Military is much like your own, that they are a bunch of uneducated rednecks easily manipulated by others that turns them off.
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they are mostly rebuplican because the republican party has historically supported higher military spending and expansion than democrats, who are more geared for spending on social services.
as far as religion goes, as far back as the roman empire religion has been used to inspire the sacrifice necessary from the masses to commit war. so it goes without saying, even today, religion plays a large part in our military.
your average atheist will put his life above any "cause". your average christian recognizes a higher calling and thus is a ripe resource for military recruters to show them a new path for serving a higher calling.
religion is used to find people willing ot sacrifice themselves for a cause......both here and in the islamic world. scarey, isnt it?
my point exactly shadow, good post.
religion is used in islam to send suicide bombers to kill because its the "right thing to do"
over here we have a far superior military force, so the killing is more organized. But it is still justified as the "right thing to do". Ask most americans what they think of when someone says islam or muslim and they think terrorist. Its more than a little scary that america now has an "evil religion" to battle agaisnt our "right religion".
religion is used in islam to send suicide bombers to kill because its the "right thing to do"
over here we have a far superior military force, so the killing is more organized. But it is still justified as the "right thing to do". Ask most americans what they think of when someone says islam or muslim and they think terrorist. Its more than a little scary that america now has an "evil religion" to battle agaisnt our "right religion".
I'm going into the military soon, and even though I come from a christian baptist family, I have no religious preference and won't go to church either :P
just wait till the only 2 hours of free time you get is if you opt to go to religious services on sunday lol.
actually i didnt become an atheist till i joined the military, the time away from church allowed me to get away from the constant brainwashing long enough to actually question it.
actually i didnt become an atheist till i joined the military, the time away from church allowed me to get away from the constant brainwashing long enough to actually question it.
evil even i went to church in basic training it's called common sence not religious tendency 
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they are mostly rebuplican because the republican party has historically supported higher military spending and expansion than democrats, who are more geared for spending on social services.
as far as religion goes, as far back as the roman empire religion has been used to inspire the sacrifice necessary from the masses to commit war. so it goes without saying, even today, religion plays a large part in our military.
your average atheist will put his life above any "cause". your average christian recognizes a higher calling and thus is a ripe resource for military recruters to show them a new path for serving a higher calling.
religion is used to find people willing ot sacrifice themselves for a cause......both here and in the islamic world. scarey, isnt it?
as far as religion goes, as far back as the roman empire religion has been used to inspire the sacrifice necessary from the masses to commit war. so it goes without saying, even today, religion plays a large part in our military.
your average atheist will put his life above any "cause". your average christian recognizes a higher calling and thus is a ripe resource for military recruters to show them a new path for serving a higher calling.
religion is used to find people willing ot sacrifice themselves for a cause......both here and in the islamic world. scarey, isnt it?
WTF are you talking about? The US Military, and I cant stress this enough, does not use religion as motivation for war.
Religion plays a small part of the US military. Its incidental. The vast number of people that I know I would say 80-90% are not active in any type of church or religion. They may identify with one religion or another but they arent actively participating. And certainly the command isnt using it as motivation to wage war.
Recruiter's use many things to get people to join the military
1, Most young men like to shoot guns and think its cool to blow **** up. (where other than the military can you do that and get paid to do it)
2, Alot of young men want to prove themselves and have a romantic view of war and what it's all about. (Again, the military offers a unique oppurtunity to do this)
3, Alot of people use the Military as a stepping stone to pay for college. Many states offer free or reduced college tuition for vets. This coupled with the GI bill allows many to go to college that might not have gotten to go otherwise.
That's a short list of things recruiters use, religion isnt in there. I have never heard a recruiter talk about how he went down to the local churches to recruit because it was a target ripe environment.
EP, of course recruits in basic training "find religion" during bootcamp. It's the only 2 hours the DI's arent allowed to mess with you. (though I never went and they dont mess with the guys who dont go either). It isnt religion getting them to go its the prospect of an hour or 2 a week where someone isnt messing with you.
lol, you ahve no idea what your talking about, religion plays a huge role in the military and in recruitment, justification, and motivation. Im sure u envision this perfect society where polititions and higher officers dont take advantage of propaganda and religious tiers to push soldiers to do what they want. and ofcourse recruiters dont use religion specifically, i never said that, i said the same people who fall for religion are often times more easily swayed by these patriotic adds. Ofcourse people join to prove something to themselves, ofcourse they do it for college, but there is always a bit more there that is based on patriotic manipulation. Now dont get me wrong, i love america and will defend it thoroughly, but i will always question the motives of my orders, especially when coming from Bush.
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yes, i know that one well, that specific statement basically assumes everyone close to death will admit there is a god "just in case"..
You sound like Blaine the Train.
He was a real pain.
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yes, i know that one well, that specific statement basically assumes everyone close to death will admit there is a god "just in case"..
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You sound like Blaine the Train.
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yes, i know that one well, that specific statement basically assumes everyone close to death will admit there is a god "just in case"..
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You sound like Blaine the Train.
I thought it was Blaine the Mono, and on a side note all of King's stuff rocks, but the DT series was the best.
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lol, you ahve no idea what your talking about, religion plays a huge role in the military and in recruitment, justification, and motivation. Im sure u envision this perfect society where polititions and higher officers dont take advantage of propaganda and religious tiers to push soldiers to do what they want. and ofcourse recruiters dont use religion specifically, i never said that, i said the same people who fall for religion are often times more easily swayed by these patriotic adds. Ofcourse people join to prove something to themselves, ofcourse they do it for college, but there is always a bit more there that is based on patriotic manipulation. Now dont get me wrong, i love america and will defend it thoroughly, but i will always question the motives of my orders, especially when coming from Bush.
So they dont use it specifically it's never talked about or said but it's implied somehow though no one knows it? Is that what you are saying?
The real issue here is bolded above you see President Bush as a religious zealot and since the Military supports him you see them as a bunch of religious zealots.
Honestly how many of the people you know in the Military are active participants in a church?
Ive been talking with some of my friends all of which are in the Military. So close to 40 years combined experience in the Military and not one of them feel that religion plays any role in the military at all. In fact feel religion is as far removed from it as it could possibly be.
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He was a real pain.
The rain in Spain falls mostly down the drain.
lol , what military are they in?
USN
After about 10 years, I can see both sides of this discussion. I HAVE met some of the rednecks you're talking about. The foaming at the mouth rabid nutcases eager to kill and be killed for country. However, I've only met 2 of them in all this time. They were memorable.
By and large, however, I find that most Navy people are either quietly agnostic, or atheists. Very seldom do I run across people that claim a denomination.
-Nagafen
After about 10 years, I can see both sides of this discussion. I HAVE met some of the rednecks you're talking about. The foaming at the mouth rabid nutcases eager to kill and be killed for country. However, I've only met 2 of them in all this time. They were memorable.
By and large, however, I find that most Navy people are either quietly agnostic, or atheists. Very seldom do I run across people that claim a denomination.
-Nagafen
damn, i should have joined the navy >.<
perhaps the army is just a bit more down the line of "kill stuff and die for my country". Thinking isnt really appreciated in the army, wish i knew this when i signed the papers 5 years ago..
perhaps the army is just a bit more down the line of "kill stuff and die for my country". Thinking isnt really appreciated in the army, wish i knew this when i signed the papers 5 years ago..
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lol , what military are they in?
They are all Marines, all war vets, 1 with a purple heart.
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I HAVE met some of the rednecks you're talking about. The foaming at the mouth rabid nutcases eager to kill and be killed for country. However, I've only met 2 of them in all this time. They were memorable.
More than likely they were a) young b) never actually been in a combat situation, c) talking **** because they thought it was what they were supposed to be saying.
The only people who want to go to war are those that have never been.
More than likely they were a) young b) never actually been in a combat situation, c) talking sh*t because they thought it was what they were supposed to be saying.
The only people who want to go to war are those that have never been
very true.
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