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#1 Jul 06 2005 at 3:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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Or, the course of true love never did run smooth.

Not much to say about this, except to note that her boyfriend's last name was Beaver. (If her husband had gone after him, would that make him a Beaver cleaver?)
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#2 Jul 06 2005 at 3:43 PM Rating: Decent
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I think after the first 20 stabs they're probably dead, anything extra is just overkill.
#3 Jul 06 2005 at 3:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Bah if you need more than 3 goes at it then you're in need of proper training.
#4 Jul 06 2005 at 3:53 PM Rating: Decent
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Mr Justice Owen, the judge, said that difficulties arose when Willsher’s failing health led to his impotence.

He said: “As a result, in a desperate bid to keep your wife, you tolerated what many would find intolerable.”

Willsher had told the court that his wife was “the only true love I have ever known” and he could not bear the thought of her leaving him.

The judge said: “He lost by his own hand the one person he loved.”


Okay, does anyone else find it vaguely disturbing that the judge managed to turn this guy into the victim and his wife into the villain? He got SIX FREAKIN' YEARS and the judge is bending over backwards making excuses for him.

If it had been a woman whose husband was sleeping with other women and decided to leave her, she would have been a vindictive ***** and gotten twenty to life. But this dude deserves our sympathy somehow, and the wife obviously deserved to die for being a ****.

Just when I think we're inching closer to sexual equality...



Edited, Wed Jul 6 16:58:07 2005 by Ambrya
#5 Jul 06 2005 at 3:57 PM Rating: Decent
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If it had been a woman whose husband was sleeping with other women and decided to leave her, she would have been a vindictive ***** and gotten twenty to life. But this dude deserves our sympathy somehow, and the wife obviously deserved to die for being a ****.
Nah she would have just said he was hitting her and it would have been justifiable homicide because of self defence and bye bye mrs murderer you can go home now.

Equality is so tilted in the favour of the female these days it's not even funny, just ask any divorcee.
#6 Jul 06 2005 at 3:58 PM Rating: Decent
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What really amazes me is the lengths the man went to keeping his wife around. I mean if he loved her that much why didn't he stop drinking and smoking bud so he could get it up? Had he ever heard of viagra? What type of man would rather their wife fu[b][/b]ck other men, instead of solving issues with himself to keep her around? I understand that addictions dominiate you and all, but WOW!
#7 Jul 06 2005 at 4:08 PM Rating: Decent
Fender is right ~_~ There were other options other than letting his wife sleep around- hell, he still could have pleased her in bed in many many ways- a man’s means of pleasuring a woman is not regulated on just the **** ~_~
#8 Jul 06 2005 at 4:53 PM Rating: Good
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tarv of the Seven Seas wrote:
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If it had been a woman whose husband was sleeping with other women and decided to leave her, she would have been a vindictive ***** and gotten twenty to life. But this dude deserves our sympathy somehow, and the wife obviously deserved to die for being a ****.
Nah she would have just said he was hitting her and it would have been justifiable homicide because of self defence and bye bye mrs murderer you can go home now.

Equality is so tilted in the favour of the female these days it's not even funny, just ask any divorcee.
Notice that Ambrya is arguing the facts as presented in the article, while you are making up an outlandish ulterior scenario.

As things stand, making the husband seem any kind of a victim is unfair, and cheapens anyone who faces illness with some measure of grace and dignity. He entered the arrangement knowingly and willingly. She chose to leave him, and he responded by stabbing her not once, not 30 times, but 112 times. 112 plunges of a knife in and out of someone he 'loved'. Nothing about this was comparable to justifiable self-defense.
#9 Jul 06 2005 at 5:18 PM Rating: Decent
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The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:

He entered the arrangement knowingly and willingly. She chose to leave him, and he responded by stabbing her not once, not 30 times, but 112 times. 112 plunges of a knife in and out of someone he 'loved'. Nothing about this was comparable to justifiable self-defense.


If I let my wife sleep around instead of finding ulterior methods to please her, or fix my own problems so I could please her, and she went to another man that I was letting her ***** … I would stab myself 120 times.

Seriously though, there are a lot of mental issues that this man needed to deal with. Who willing lets their wife sleep around on them? The wife on the other hand has some issues herself. What sort of a wife asks to sleep with other men in order to keep a marriage moving? This is of course following the assumption that she initiated this instead of the husband.

I personally find both individuals to be rather sick and twisted.
#10 Jul 06 2005 at 5:23 PM Rating: Good
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fenderputty wrote:
If I let my wife sleep around instead of finding ulterior methods to please her, or fix my own problems so I could please her, and she went to another man that I was letting her ***** … I would stab myself 120 times.
She was like a f[i][/i]uckin' Animal and she liked the taste of an Englishman's Tonsils!

Thank Mrs fenderputty for me, and here's a knife. . .
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#11 Jul 06 2005 at 5:25 PM Rating: Default
Ambrya wrote:
Okay, does anyone else find it vaguely disturbing that the judge managed to turn this guy into the victim and his wife into the villain? He got SIX FREAKIN' YEARS and the judge is bending over backwards making excuses for him.

If it had been a woman whose husband was sleeping with other women and decided to leave her, she would have been a vindictive ***** and gotten twenty to life. But this dude deserves our sympathy somehow, and the wife obviously deserved to die for being a ****.

Just when I think we're inching closer to sexual equality...


Are you defending polygamy in the name of equality?
#12 Jul 06 2005 at 5:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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The wife on the other hand has some issues herself.


Primary among them being that she's fu[i][/i]cking dead.
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#13 Jul 06 2005 at 8:34 PM Rating: Good
Well, at least he finally managed to poke her, even if he did use the wrong utensil.

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#14 Jul 06 2005 at 9:01 PM Rating: Good
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tarv of the Seven Seas wrote:
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If it had been a woman whose husband was sleeping with other women and decided to leave her, she would have been a vindictive ***** and gotten twenty to life. But this dude deserves our sympathy somehow, and the wife obviously deserved to die for being a ****.
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Nah she would have just said he was hitting her and it would have been justifiable homicide because of self defence and bye bye mrs murderer you can go home now.

Equality is so tilted in the favour of the female these days it's not even funny, just ask any divorcee.
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Notice that Ambrya is arguing the facts as presented in the article, while you are making up an outlandish ulterior scenario.
Just to point out neither were using facts of the case. I could just as easily say the judge would be just as sympathetic to a female in the same type of case. It doesnt make it true, but neither is what Ambrya said.

The truth is too many judges are getting too caught up in the people involved and not staying impartial. Judges should never be sympathetic to a cause they are presiding over.
#15 Jul 06 2005 at 9:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Are you defending polygamy in the name of equality?


...the hell?

Who said anything about polygamy?

The only thing I am "defending" is the position that 6 years for a crime like this is asinine and that the judge seemed to go out of his way to make excuses for an inexcusable crime.

Edited, Wed Jul 6 22:15:28 2005 by Ambrya
#16 Jul 06 2005 at 9:29 PM Rating: Good
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dirges the Superficial Reader wrote:
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tarv of the Seven Seas wrote:
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If it had been a woman whose husband was sleeping with other women and decided to leave her, she would have been a vindictive ***** and gotten twenty to life. But this dude deserves our sympathy somehow, and the wife obviously deserved to die for being a ****.
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Nah she would have just said he was hitting her and it would have been justifiable homicide because of self defence and bye bye mrs murderer you can go home now.

Equality is so tilted in the favour of the female these days it's not even funny, just ask any divorcee.
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Notice that Ambrya is arguing the facts as presented in the article, while you are making up an outlandish ulterior scenario.
Just to point out neither were using facts of the case. I could just as easily say the judge would be just as sympathetic to a female in the same type of case. It doesnt make it true, but neither is what Ambrya said.

*sigh*
Let me walk you through it.

1. Switch the sexes in the bolded portion of Ambrya's statement.
2. Match them to the facts as stated in the article.
3. Switch the sexes in the article once more
4. Try to match them to any facts as stated in the article.

See what I mean now?

Edited, Wed Jul 6 22:29:49 2005 by Atomicflea
#17 Jul 06 2005 at 9:45 PM Rating: Good
They are not FACTS, you are supposing what the judge would do. Ambrya told a story, then Tarv did the same, changing the gender does do squat. Neither are fact. You can say the judge would of hung a women in the guys case till you are blue in the face, but it still didnt happen. I cant understand how you can argue that one story is more accurate then another when neither are based on the facts.

#18 Jul 06 2005 at 10:01 PM Rating: Good
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dirges the Irrelevant wrote:
They are not FACTS, you are supposing what the judge would do. Ambrya told a story, then Tarv did the same, changing the gender does do squat. Neither are fact. You can say the judge would of hung a women in the guys case till you are blue in the face, but it still didnt happen.

One more time, for those of you in the tall hats.

The "facts" are the circumstances surrounding the event. What happened. Knife in, knife out. Husband and wife. Pact for an open marriage. Intent to run off with lover. Got it?

Not fact=abusive relationship, anything to do with judges. I never even touched on the judge. As we've said before and often, reading comprehension is your friend, although maybe it's time you try to make out with it. I don't think you're close enough.

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I cant understand how you can argue that one story is more accurate then another when neither are based on the facts.

I pointed out to Tarv that Ambrya was dealing with the facts (she was, even if the genders were switched), while Tarv was making up a fake abuse scenario where the woman gets off with some artful tears.

I saved this gem for last:
The Times article you didn't bother to read wrote:
Willsher was sentenced yesterday to six years imprisonment after a judge at Plymouth Crown Court accepted his plea of guilty to manslaughter on the ground of diminished responsibility.

Pretty pointless to argue against the accuracy of something that already happened, isn't it?

Or maybe you wouldn't know.
#19 Jul 06 2005 at 10:17 PM Rating: Good
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The "facts" are the circumstances surrounding the event. What happened. Knife in, knife out. Husband and wife. Pact for an open marriage. Intent to run off with lover. Got it?

Not fact=abusive relationship, anything to do with judges. I never even touched on the judge. As we've said before and often, reading comprehension is your friend, although maybe it's time you try to make out with it. I don't think you're close enough.
So which one of those facts said that the judge would give the wife a harsher sentence. Here are the facts with the roles reversed. Husband and wife with pact for an open marriage. The husband decides to run off with the young girl, and the wife stabs him over 100 times. The judge then gives the wife a sentance for 6 years because they were sympathetic to her. Every thing Ambrya added to the story about the wife getting a harsher punishment is not fact.

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As we've said before and often, reading comprehension is your friend, although maybe it's time you try to make out with it. I don't think you're close enough.
Maybe you should follow your own advise and read what Ambrya wrote, and compare it to your list of facts, you will see she did not deal with facts in the comment.

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I pointed out to Tarv that Ambrya was dealing with the facts (she was, even if the genders were switched), while Tarv was making up a fake abuse scenario where the woman gets off with some artful tears.
I was pointing out the bit about the wife getting a harsher punishment was not fact. It is make believe, just like Tarv's defense for the wife. Two tales that make their own version based on the reverse of genders in a court case.

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Pretty pointless to argue against the accuracy of something that already happened, isn't it?

Or maybe you wouldn't know.
I never argued the sentence was fair, I said judges are getting too sympathetic instead or remaining neutral. But if you work on your reading comprehension you may learn to understand what I said.

Edited, Wed Jul 6 23:22:48 2005 by dirges
#20 Jul 06 2005 at 10:18 PM Rating: Decent
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The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:

One more time, for those of you in the tall hats.


Virus wears a tall white hat. I think I found a pic of him.

http://www.volkermord.com/freehosting/wk-youth/Pictures/Klan%20Rider.jpg
#21 Jul 06 2005 at 10:20 PM Rating: Good
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dirges the Irrelevant wrote:
But if you work on your reading comprehension you may learn to understand what I said.

To attempt to do so would be a monumental mistake, seeing that here I tapped at my shiny black keyboard and you still missed my giant ********* of a point. Keep tapping your head on that wall, though. Eventually it'll dent and I'll concede. Smiley: rolleyes

Night-night.
#22 Jul 06 2005 at 10:26 PM Rating: Good
What point, both stories did not go by the facts. The judge should be removed for office.
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