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#77 Jul 05 2005 at 1:45 AM Rating: Good

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A white man bold enough to take on the title of "Last Samurai" a staple of Japenese lore.
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The last samurai part refers to the Japanesse lead NOT the token American.

I always took it to be the plural form, which of course, is "samurai" as well. That'd be in reference to all of the samurai involved, i guess. Not a major thing, but it bothers me that people use that "but Tom Cruise is white!" argument to not watch the movie, or say that it sucked. I think maddox made a pretty ignorant rant about it to that regard on his site, if i recall correctly.

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#78 Jul 05 2005 at 4:45 AM Rating: Good

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At least he's hot.

I hope you don't mean Tom Cruise.

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#79 Jul 05 2005 at 7:17 AM Rating: Excellent

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Lefein, Guardian of the Glade wrote:

Its people that cross that line that never learn to cope with life when they dont have the drugs. That is not healthy at all. Surely you can understand this. If their condition is so truly messed that they cannot survive without a pill then perhaps their genetic weaknesses or behavioural weakness is something that society cannot afford to permeate.

Just out of curiousity, who do you think makes up this "society" you so blithely reference?

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#80 Jul 05 2005 at 7:22 AM Rating: Excellent

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Genetically superior Aryans.

Duh.

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#81 Jul 05 2005 at 11:07 AM Rating: Decent

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Certain chemicals are found in the brains of "normal" people and are associated with various things, such as comfort. If someone is suffering from anxiety, it can be shown that there is less of that "comfort" chemical than in someone not suffering from anxiety. It therefore stands to reason that introducing that chemical will restore the brain chemistry to the same levels its at when a person feels at ease.

Maybe the "normal" one simply are lacking a "discomfort chemical" that doesn't allow them to react to the fu[b][/b]cked up world they are living in and allows them to blissfully ignore it...

hmmmm .. maybe I'll get back on Zoloft after all.

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#82 Jul 05 2005 at 11:19 AM Rating: Excellent

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I got busted stealing from Scientologists this weekend.

It was Canada day and there was a big street festival and the scientologists had set out a booth and were trying to convert people and I was walking by and saw a bunch of pamphlets there and was flipping through them. The one on how to deal with drug issues was classic there are some pictures taken in the 80's of a guy snorting a rail of coke off a silver plate and then dealing with family members.

Anways it was comic gold and I wanted to read them and since they were just pamphlets and there were no price tags or money symbols near them I grabbed a couple and started to walk away. 5 steps later I get my arm wrenched around and a blonde girl is yelling at me that the pamphlets are 5.50 each I handed them back to her and apologized and mentioned that that I had thought they were just free pamphlets but that I wouldnt pay 5.50 for there snake oil and walked away.

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#83 Jul 05 2005 at 1:27 PM Rating: Decent

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Only an idiot would say, "Your diabetes is all in your mind. You don't need your insulin!"

There are diseases of every organ of the body and hence it boggles my mind why people continue to believe there are no diseases of the brain and that mental illness can be, if not cured, at least helped with medication.

Ah, this is true. Medication must always help, look at all it has done so far right? Then why is it that whenever a new drug comes out, they do a test with control groups to see if the drug actually works?

The test is done with two groups, one who takes the new drug which they are testing, and the other group takes a placebo pill, which is filled with sugar or something non-medical of the sort. After a set period of time, they check to see if the drug makes any difference in your life(whether curing depression or any other mental problems), or if the placebo is having the same effect and the drug is bunk.

The astounding thing is that some people are cured from the illness from just a placebo drug. There is nothing in the pill, yet they feel better. The mind is a powerful thing. It can cure illnesses all by itself!

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#84 Jul 05 2005 at 2:06 PM Rating: Good

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The astounding thing is that some people are cured from the illness from just a placebo drug. There is nothing in the pill, yet they feel better. The mind is a powerful thing. It can cure illnesses all by itself!

But in that example, it's not strength of mind that's curing the illness, it's weakness of mind, i.e. your mind is being tricked.

So that analogy fails to show that people can consciously "think away" their illnesses.

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#85 Jul 05 2005 at 2:09 PM Rating: Excellent

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Ah, this is true. Medication must always help, look at all it has done so far right? Then why is it that whenever a new drug comes out, they do a test with control groups to see if the drug actually works

WTF are you babbling about? When did he say that medicine "always helps"? And what does placebo test groups have to do with discrediting psychiatry?

The fact that many medicines are shown to be effective after testing shows that there are indeed maladies within the body that medication can help. The brain, being an organ, isn't somehow magically immune to issues that can be treated with medication simply by virtue of being a brain and not a kidney, liver or prostate.

Unless you can find FDA test results that the control group on Prozac (or whatever) were the same as the test group, you're just making sh[b][/b]it up.

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#86 Jul 05 2005 at 2:44 PM Rating: Excellent

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The placebo effect is probably more an artifact of reporting than result.

In other words: if you're giving a placebo for a condition like anxiety and relying on the patient to tell you it helped, you're going to see a stronger placebo effect. People WANT to be helpful. They WANT to tell you good news. They will probably believe that they do feel better, at least temporarily.

If you're giving a placebo and measuring quantifiable results like insulin levels or liver functions, the placebo effect is much lower.

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#87 Jul 05 2005 at 3:16 PM Rating: Decent

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Is the band Placebo concidered Emo?

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#88 Jul 05 2005 at 4:07 PM Rating: Excellent

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Well, the name certainly seems to fit.

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#89 Jul 05 2005 at 4:32 PM Rating: Good

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Ah, this is true. Medication must always help, look at all it has done so far right? Then why is it that whenever a new drug comes out, they do a test with control groups to see if the drug actually works?

The test is done with two groups, one who takes the new drug which they are testing, and the other group takes a placebo pill, which is filled with sugar or something non-medical of the sort. After a set period of time, they check to see if the drug makes any difference in your life(whether curing depression or any other mental problems), or if the placebo is having the same effect and the drug is bunk.

The astounding thing is that some people are cured from the illness from just a placebo drug. There is nothing in the pill, yet they feel better. The mind is a powerful thing. It can cure illnesses all by itself!

FFXer, you are well and truly an idiot.

Why do they test the drug against placebo? They do that because they are required to by the FDA TO SEE IF IT WORKS!! If the drug is no better than placebo than it will fail to obtain FDA approval as it doesn't work to treat whatever they thought it would. I suppose you are upset that they also test to see if has harmful effects, too?

Interestingly, this is how Viagra was discovered. It was initially produced for its supposed cardiovascular effects, but during the trials to see if it was effective vs placebo it was found to not change overall outcomes. The company then put out a recall to those patients participating in the study but many of them wouldn't give the medicine back...because of a certain side effect. It wasn't until then that they found out that it helped with erectil dysfuction.

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