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#27 Jun 29 2005 at 1:58 PM Rating: Good
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you can't prove it's learned either


You're absolutely right. Now we're using logic. So if neither of us can scientifically prove one way or the other then all we have are unprovable theories. This being said how do you know it's nature rather than nurture?


It's all a matter of faith. My issue isn't with people thinking it's nurture, it's that they feel the need to blast other people's faith and call them wrong. I don't care if it's religion or politics or gayitude, telling people that you don't agree with over a completely faith based issue that they're stupid for believing something other than you bothers me.
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#28 Jun 29 2005 at 1:58 PM Rating: Good
I really hope someone shoots you in the face varrus.
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1 : originating in or based on observation or experience <empirical data>


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#30 Jun 29 2005 at 2:04 PM Rating: Default
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I am so sick of people b[b][/b]itching because in their viewpoint, some other group's viewpoint is wrong.

Yep, you're a victim. Whoopity freakin doo.

Welcome to America. Where everyone else is a victim too.

#31 Jun 29 2005 at 2:05 PM Rating: Default
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I really hope someone shoots you in the face varrus.


How compassionate. So this is what you'd like to do to someone that believes differently than yourself, typical.

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#32 Jun 29 2005 at 2:07 PM Rating: Good
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I turned off the filter that had been making all of Varrus's posts invisible, and I can finally see the genius with which he posts.../sarcasm

I once did a report on Nature vs. Nurture in my High School Psychology class, and came up with amazing results. What I found is there IS a genetic variance in about 70% of the gay population.

Through all my research, which I barely remember now, my conclusion was it's a little bit of both Nature and Nurture. For some people, there's a gene inside them, and they just cannot change what they are. For others, that gene is there, but less influentual. They more/less have a choice, but the choice is GREATLY swayed towards being gay thanks to the gene. Then there're others that don't have the gene at all. Explaining how some of them turn out to be gay is rather hard, and impossible for me, so come up with your own conclusions.

Again, this was just a research project I did in High School, and by no means do I claim to have all the knowledge pertaining to the subject, and I do not know for certain whether or not my answers/findings are correct.

By the way, the only reason most people think Homosexuality is a choice is from religion. The bible has a few passages condeming same-sex partners, and I'm sure the priests/baptists/whatever do everything in their power to make being gay seem like the worst possible thing that could ever happen.

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#33 Jun 29 2005 at 2:08 PM Rating: Good
No this is what should be done to ******* retards who are just a walking waste of space like you.
#34 Jun 29 2005 at 2:14 PM Rating: Default
This is totally off topic, sorta. But, I can't see all the posts I'm assuming because of the default filter. Is there a way to remedy that so I am able to see the ignorant rednecks posts?

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#35 Jun 29 2005 at 2:15 PM Rating: Good
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If you're interested about reading some of the science currently being explored, here are some links. Looks like scientists are showing a genetic/hereditary link to being gay, as opposed to a learned behavior or "choice."

http://www.bioedonline.org/news/news.cfm?art=1295

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetics_and_sexual_orientation

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_caus6.htm

If it were as easy as making a choice I certainly would NOT have made it. I mean, who in their right mind would WANT to be faced with hatred, the threat of death, discrimination in housing/jobs etc...
#36 Jun 29 2005 at 2:16 PM Rating: Excellent
Has Virus been posting in my thread? Oh goodie, I had so very much hoped he would. Unfortunately, my filter's gone and set itself to default for some reason, and I'm too tired to scroll all the way up to the top of the page and set it to never filter, so I will have to just rely on my very safe assumption that he's posting rubbish and generally being stupid. If an intelligent thought manages to find its way between his working neurons, could someone let me know? Thanks. ^^

Unfortunately for me, there are landscapers outside mowing the grass so I won't be able to actually sleep for another half hour or so. That's the real problem with working 3rd shift; the world doesn't live on my schedule. As much as I like having my grass mowed, I really wish they'd do it at around midnight, while I'm at work. -_-
#37 Jun 29 2005 at 2:17 PM Rating: Default
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No this is what should be done to @#%^ing retards who are just a walking waste of space like you.


Hitler said the same things of the Jews. You two would have gotten along amazingly.

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#38 Jun 29 2005 at 2:17 PM Rating: Good
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Would you like to know why varrass is convinced it is a choice? It's because it gives him the willies to think an accident of genes could have made him homosexual and it makes him feel even worse to think any possible child he may have could become one as well and he would have to understand what homosexuality is rather than beat it out of his child. It also drives him up the wall to think that anyone of his friends could be a stool pusher and he would never know it and it makes him nauseous to think that all his anti-**** rhetoric won’t affect this hypothetical closet queen no matter how much he goes on about it. Without the freedom to choose to be gay his gay bashing becomes nothing more than an outlet for his anger and fear rather than the righteous thing he believes it is.




Besides he probably gets a woody looking at other guys muscles and needs a way to show he aint that way.
#39 Jun 29 2005 at 2:18 PM Rating: Default
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But, I can't see all the posts I'm assuming because of the default filter. Is there a way to remedy that so I am able to see the ignorant rednecks posts?


LOL the irony. Get back to me when you learn how to work the default filters.

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#40 Jun 29 2005 at 2:19 PM Rating: Good
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I really hope someone shoots you in the face varrus.


I think that secretly, deepdown Varus wants someone to shoot him the face, all over his face and a little in the mouth .... but not in the hair because thats gross.
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#41 Jun 29 2005 at 2:20 PM Rating: Good
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I think that secretly, deepdown Varus wants someone to shoot him the face, all over his face and a little in the mouth .... but not in the hair because thats gross.


BAM!
#42 Jun 29 2005 at 2:25 PM Rating: Default
Gitsy,

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Besides he probably gets a woody looking at other guys muscles and needs a way to show he aint that way.


The ever so predictable you hate ****'s so you must really be closet one arguement.

In reality the reason you deride my opinions is because you see the value and knowledge in what i've said.

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#43 Jun 29 2005 at 2:26 PM Rating: Decent
They know it's predictable, you tool.
#44 Jun 29 2005 at 2:27 PM Rating: Decent
As for the evidence part, there have been studies that show that humans are indeed producing, and reacting to, pheromones. As well as further studies that reveal that some receptors in gay men are attracted to the male pheromones that are put out, as well as gay women reacting to female pheromones. I’ll cite references when I get home (I’m at work), but there is data showing that there is indeed a strong case for the “Gays are wired that way” argument. If anyone wants to beat me to the punch on citing references, be my guest.
#45 Jun 29 2005 at 2:30 PM Rating: Default
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Althrun, at least one of the links I posted mentions that study...I think the third one.
#46 Jun 29 2005 at 2:33 PM Rating: Default
Boo Yaa! Damn wish I thought of that! You're probably right too.

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Edited, Wed Jun 29 15:36:31 2005 by Spirish
#47 Jun 29 2005 at 2:34 PM Rating: Good
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Gitsy,



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Besides he probably gets a woody looking at other guys muscles and needs a way to show he aint that way.




The ever so predictable you hate ****'s so you must really be closet one arguement.

In reality the reason you deride my opinions is because you see the value and knowledge in what i've said.

Varus


How predictable of you to ignore the meat (hehe I said "meat") of my post and focus on my one liner. Why don't you get a sense of humor and a pair of balls and comment on the issue rather than the joke you are.
#48 Jun 29 2005 at 2:35 PM Rating: Good
Thanks to whoever rated him up so I can actually see this sh[/b]it. =D

varrussword wrote:
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And that's my view of things. I don't claim to be right, but my beliefs feel right to me, and that's really all that matters.


So did Manson...

Homosexuality is a choice. There's no empirical evidence that conclusively proves that anyones born like that.

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I knew I was different when I was about 12, but I didn't quite understand how. But as time passed, things came more and more into focus and I started freaking out worse and worse. I was raised to be a Proper Southern Baptist, and in that particular church, homosexuality is the most vulgar and horrible sin you can commit. So, I would've given anything to just be "normal" like all my other friends.


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High school was a living hell for me. I felt lonely and outcast.


Is it possible that in your desire to rebel you found homosexuality as the perfect tool to do this. And don't get me started on how misguided denominations can be.

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Secondly, is society harmed in any way by the existence of gays? I honestly don't think so.


Well except for that whole aids thing which is prevalent among the homosexual community. H*ll they consider it an honour (I don't remember the specific name) to contract HIV.

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Yet other nations around the world have a much more tolerant overall view of homosexuality and yet they haven't resorted to civil war yet


Which nations? And sorry Canada isn't a real nation.

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Comparing me to Manson? Comparing Katie to Hitler? Come on Virus, you're scraping the barrel. I do what I believe is right. Who else's standard of right and wrong would you suggest I live by? Yours? Pfft.

Um, as Sam said, you really should look up the definition for the word "empirical" before you start swinging it around trying to impress us with your vocabulary. I've already offered up LOTS of empirical evidence.

No, I wasn't gay because I was trying to rebel. I wasn't a rebellious kid at all, if anything I was desperate to fit in.

AIDS and HIV are prevalent among EVERY community. Dumbass. How many times do people have to tell you? And what are you on about with gays considering it an honour to contract a virus? Have you been drinking again? -_-

And... what nations?
Some site I Google cached, if you're really that desperate I'll get you the link, wrote:

Countries that issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples: Belgium (2003) and the Netherlands (since 2001); the Canadian provinces of Ontario and British Columbia since 2003, and Quebec, the Yukon, Manitoba, Nova Scotia, and Saskatchewan since 2004.

Countries that offer a legal status, sometimes known as registered partnership, that confers most or all spousal rights to same-sex couples: Denmark, Finland, Germany, Iceland, Norway, Sweden.

Countries that offer a legal status, sometimes known as unregistered cohabitation, that confers certain spousal rights to same-sex couples (and, in some of these countries, unmarried opposite-sex couples): Brazil, Canada, Croatia, France, Hungary, Israel, New Zealand, Portugal, South Africa, Spain, Switzerland.
#49 Jun 29 2005 at 2:38 PM Rating: Decent
As wrong and misconstrued as what I'm about to say is going to be I will say it anyways.

It's sad that there aren't more gays like Sabo. I mean, if you're into something different then so be it. It doesnt truly have to be a life altering thing like so many in the gay and hetero community make it out to be. What mainstream society hates is the idea of a "lifestyle" difference.

Almost every man alive has rubbed one out. So, if you get your jollies with another man, woman, or rubber toy it really isnt anyones business. The fact that it becomes a political agenda at all blows such a simple thing out of proportion for both sides of the equation. Maybe being gay is just like having red hair, but I'll be damned if I've ever seen red headed people put on entire costumes and such or sought political power over the fact.

Maybe it is the radical right that makes such blatant displays a necessity, but then again if the subject never saw the light of day who could protest on either side? It is for this reason that I think the gay rights activist crowd is just as dissapointing to the conscience as the religious right. What would a heat seeking missile target in Antarctica anyways?
#50 Jun 29 2005 at 2:38 PM Rating: Default
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Since Virus brought Hitler into the conversation, I thought I would trot this quote out from an address a friend-of-a-friend gave to their state legislature:

I found a quote recently calling peole to arms against
those who don't take the will of God seriously:

"Man has the sacred duty of making people stop just
talking superficially of God's will, and actually
fulfill God's will, and not let God's word be
desecrated.

Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance
with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending
myself against the [homosexual], I am fighting for the
work of the Lord."

Change the word "homosexual" to Jew and you have an
interesting quote from none other than Adolf Hitler
himself. Hitler was upholding traditional morals and
religious values, too.


Funny how accusations tend to stick to the one who flings them, isn't it?

#51 Jun 29 2005 at 2:39 PM Rating: Good
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Whoah, whoah, whoah! Sab is gay?! Smiley: dubious

That aside...

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As for the evidence part, there have been studies that show that humans are indeed producing, and reacting to, pheromones. As well as further studies that reveal that some receptors in gay men are attracted to the male pheromones that are put out, as well as gay women reacting to female pheromones. I'll cite references when I get home (I'm at work), but there is data showing that there is indeed a strong case for the "Gays are wired that way" argument. If anyone wants to beat me to the punch on citing references, be my guest.
The sexual area of a gay man's brain works a lot like that of a woman when exposed to a particular stimulus, researchers say.

In an experiment, men and heterosexual women sniffed a chemical from the male hormone testosterone. The homosexual men's brains responded differently from those of heterosexual males, and in a similar way to the women's brains.

"It is one more piece of evidence ... that is showing that sexual orientation is not all learned,'' said Sandra Witelson, an expert on brain anatomy and sexual orientation at the Michael G. DeGroote School of Medicine at McMaster University in Ontario, Canada.

Witelson, who was not part of the research team, said the findings clearly show a biological involvement in sexual orientation


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