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#77 Jun 27 2005 at 12:38 PM Rating: Decent
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Have you guys ever seen how they kill fetuses? I'm not a pro lifer, I would rather turn a blind eye to people who make that decision, but would never encourage someone to do it. I actually have a very sour outlook on it.

There are a couple of ways to kill a fetus. One of them is using forceps. Doctors use these big metal arms inside the woman to crush the baby. I'm not kidding. They crush the baby into little pieces to make it easier for the woman to get rid of it.

Another method includes using a kind of saline solution. Not sure what it is made out of, but it is used to burn the fetus to death..... from the outside in. It's like throwing a person into a tub of acid. The tub is the stomach, and the acid is what they burn it with.

Lastly, another method is gettting the fetus to pretty much poke it's head out of the mother (using drugs that make the woman have the kid). If the head is out, but not the entire body, it is still considered "unborn". The doctors proceed to drill into the skull. Once they penetrate the cranium, they use a vacuum to suck up the entire brain into a machine.

The worst part about this is that there have been proven studies that fetuses(sp?) feel pain during these methods of abortion. Whether or not the fetus is a person or not REALLY shouldn't matter at all. The fact is, a fetus can feel forceps crushing it. It feels the drill going into the head. But really the worst one has to be the acid. Think of the amount of time it takes to actually kill someone starting from the skin. The pure inefficiency of killing something without targeting any vital organs is plain stupidity IMHO.

I really don't think it would bother me at all if a mother had an abortion early enough for the fetus not to feel it. But since they do, it's the only part that makes me cringe.


Here is an actual list of approved methods used inside the united states and not the third world/antiquated methods he is quoting that come off a pro-life website

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion#Methods_of_inducing_abortion

Chemical and suction are both used within and after the first Trimester (first three months) by then a woman has a clue that she is pregnant in that she hasnt had a period for 3 months. Other methods are used afterwards that are slightly more intrusive but no where near the "head crushing" you described.

The simple fact that birth control in all its forms are a form of empowerment for women. Abortion is never going to be a pretty or easy thing. No one has one and walks away feeling good about themselves but you cannot fault a woman who does it. Is she going to put her life on hold and be a single mother because of a slip up or shack up with the alcoholic jock boyfriend. No its a womans perogative to say "its my body, its my life and ill bring a child into the world how and when I want to".
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#78 Jun 27 2005 at 12:42 PM Rating: Decent
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#79 Jun 27 2005 at 12:43 PM Rating: Default
Ok, you are all right and me and every other Pro-lifer is wrong. Afterall, who am I to judge anyone, simply based on the fact that they see nothing wrong with murdering a defenseless baby.

Yes, I am a coward for thinking it wrong to terminate a baby, but hey at least I can sleep at night and when I am standing before god, will have a clear conscience.

I will go /bye bye and alot of you will go to Hell. :)
#80 Jun 27 2005 at 12:44 PM Rating: Excellent
You know, I'm anti-abortion, and yet the pro-choicers have been trouncing everyone else all up and down this thread. It'd be nice if my side put together some logical and valid arguments and viewpoints for a change. =/

I personally believe that from the moment of inception, life has begun. Whether or not the developing life is independent or still part of its mother is irrelevant to me. It WOULD be a person someday. The path towards individuality has already begun to be travelled, so if a mother aborts her unborn child, she's slamming the brakes on a developing entity. However, I'm not female and I will never be a mother, so my opinion on the subject REALLY doesn't matter. It's not up to me, and I'll never be placed in the kind of position that someone considering abortion might find herself in. It would be hypocritical of me to say I know what's right and wrong when I'll never actually face that scenario. So, while I disagree with abortion, I still respect the opinions of those who disagree with me.

Sockpuppetperson, you might try taking a similar approach. You wouldn't come off as such an idiot tw[/b]at. Just a suggestion.
#81 Jun 27 2005 at 12:45 PM Rating: Default
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I hear Hell is nice this time of year.
#82 Jun 27 2005 at 12:45 PM Rating: Good
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I love hell!

Yay!

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#83 Jun 27 2005 at 12:46 PM Rating: Good
I was already going to hell anyway, being a *** and all. I'll save you guys some good seats. Let's all chip in for popcorn?
#84 Jun 27 2005 at 12:47 PM Rating: Decent
And so will you Jehti...so will you..You judgemental self-righteous hypocrit!
#85 Jun 27 2005 at 12:52 PM Rating: Good
i would maybe dream of respecting Jehti's option but he never stands for anything really...being a pro-lifer i have tried to post some but Jehti really hurts our cause just as much as those how kill the doctors...sigh
#86 Jun 27 2005 at 12:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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jehti wrote:
Ok, you are all right and me and every other Pro-lifer is wrong.


Pro-life isnt necessarily wrong. If you are christian and it is against your faith that is that. The same with homosexuality, if you are christian and you dont approve so be it.

However when you start shooting doctors or griefing girls going into get an abortion or beating homosexuals you have just crossed a line and become a hypocrite and are committing a sin just as deadly in the Lords eyes.

Also for the most part as mentioned earlier pro-life usually equates to anti-birth control. Face it people are built to have sex. Its genetic imperative, being human means you hopefully arent gonna hump everything that moves but means that its part of you like sh[b][/b]itting, sleeping or eating and that you can engage in it responsibly without feelings of shame.

Be smart about it, use protection, use common sense and commitment and there should be no problems. I have been having pre-marital sex for years now and with the help of condoms and the pill I havent had one worrying moment. No disease, no pregnancies or late periods nothing. Yes neither condoms or pills are fool proof but I find that if you use them i conjunction with one another they are.

Editted to add - the Prochoice position on anti birth control means that when a teenager eventually slips and has sex (it happens to everyone at some point /gasp) that they will be less knowledgeable about safe sex and more likely to get pregnant and thus you have abortions. In the case that abortions are illegal it has been shown that people still get them done but through less reputable means and with much more dangerous effects.

Edited, Mon Jun 27 13:55:35 2005 by bhodisattva
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#87 Jun 27 2005 at 12:53 PM Rating: Good
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jehti wrote:
I enjoy sex with my wife of 12 years as much as I did the first time we had sex.
I'm sorry to hear that.

Sex for me now is much better than it was the first time I had sex
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#88 Jun 27 2005 at 12:56 PM Rating: Default
Well, if you believe in Hell, you must believe in Heaven. You must therefore, believe in God.

I highly doubt God will send me to hell for being against someone that would kill his very own creation. I know that I have been saved, as I have asked Jesus to come into my life.

I am not perfect by any means, but a baby killer I am not.
#89 Jun 27 2005 at 12:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, if you believe in Hell, you must believe in Heaven. You must therefore, believe in God.

I highly doubt God will send me to hell for being against someone that would kill his very own creation. I know that I have been saved, as I have asked Jesus to come into my life.

I am not perfect by any means, but a baby killer I am not.
Ok this is too much. Who's sock are you oh pious one?
#90 Jun 27 2005 at 1:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
jehti wrote:
I enjoy sex with my wife of 12 years as much as I did the first time we had sex.
I'm sorry to hear that.

Sex for me now is much better than it was the first time I had sex


Funny how that works!
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#91 Jun 27 2005 at 1:01 PM Rating: Default
ROFL Ok, I give up, I am not much of a sock puppet.

I am really a baby eater and hang out at the back of abortion clinics waiting for them to dispose of the unwanted abortions for my next meal.
#92 Jun 27 2005 at 1:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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You don't understand that you'll go to hell for being a judgemental self righteous hypocrite? Cause, you know, Jesus really went all ninja on those guys.
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#93 Jun 27 2005 at 1:03 PM Rating: Decent
Words spoken by the Almighty Saint Jehti..Amen.

Laughable..you really really are.
#94 Jun 27 2005 at 1:04 PM Rating: Default
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Well, if you believe in Hell, you must believe in Heaven. You must therefore, believe in God.

I highly doubt God will send me to hell for being against someone that would kill his very own creation. I know that I have been saved, as I have asked Jesus to come into my life.

I am not perfect by any means, but a baby killer I am not.


this is how you show your ignorence...if you believe this you must believe the whole Bible, since is where knowledge of God is found, and then you should know that to "asked Jesus to come into my life" is not all and not the way to be saved...sorry for the off topic post
#95REDACTED, Posted: Jun 27 2005 at 1:06 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I just got a great idea for an addition to EverQuest.
#96 Jun 27 2005 at 1:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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Apparently you're unfamiliar with the post-Luclin "nude bug". Ain't nobody makin' nobody no sort of pregnant with those between-the-legs setups.
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#97 Jun 27 2005 at 1:12 PM Rating: Decent
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Lady deadsidedemon wrote:
What I can never understand, is the mentality a few have gotten, where it is so wrong to have an abortion, that it is ok to kill those who work in the office.


These people fall into a group of the fanaticall few. They are no different then the religious fanatics that kill people for their "God". People who are fanatical about anything are sort of scary.

To the OP. I feel lucky to live in California. I live in one of, if not the most liberal state in the country. While I am male and don't necessarily "feel your pain", I do support your opionion.

Actually I find it funny that you have protestors of this nature. Most of the protesters I see here are speaking out about peace and the war, most are liberal, most hate bush.

Edited, Mon Jun 27 14:13:37 2005 by fenderputy
#98 Jun 27 2005 at 1:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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fenderputy wrote:
[Actually I find it funny that you have protestors of this nature. Most of the portests I see here are related to peace and the war, most are liberal, most hate bush.


Anti-bush peace protestors usually don't dress up as dead babies

or so I thought
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#99 Jun 27 2005 at 1:20 PM Rating: Decent
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Danalog the Vengeful Programmer wrote:
fenderputy wrote:
[Actually I find it funny that you have protestors of this nature. Most of the portests I see here are related to peace and the war, most are liberal, most hate bush.


Anti-bush peace protestors usually don't dress up as dead babies

or so I thought


My point exactly. I don't see pro-life protesters around where I live.
#100REDACTED, Posted: Jun 27 2005 at 1:24 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) "I was already going to hell anyway, being a *** and all. I'll save you guys some good seats. Let's all chip in for popcorn?"
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Cool! Hell's basement!

I bet Satan keeps some kickass stuff from his college days there.
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