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Anyone that says a baby in the womb is not alive, until the baby is born is a freaking idiot.
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Ok, care to point out the exact moment that the baby is considered alive? Conception? 1 month, 3 months? Is that small cluster of 1000 cells a human being, or do you have to hear it's heart beat first? Until you can define this for sure, you really don't even know what you're talking about.
jehti wrote:
Instead of killing the baby, why doesnt the mother have it and then kill herself to escape the responsibility?
Fu[i][/i]cking socialist
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
"So it's okay to kill a human being that no one doubts is alive? I fail to see your logic.
Kindly kill yourself, as well."
I never said it was ok to kill ANYONE. What I said was that if some woman can't keep her legs together and/or take measures to prevent pregnancy, then she is using abortion as a means to not interrupt her life. So, yes, she is making the choice to take a life. Yes, I would gladly see her have the baby and kill herself.
The woman has a chance to do what she wants. The baby has no choice in the matter and is therefore defenseless.
Kindly kill yourself, as well."
I never said it was ok to kill ANYONE. What I said was that if some woman can't keep her legs together and/or take measures to prevent pregnancy, then she is using abortion as a means to not interrupt her life. So, yes, she is making the choice to take a life. Yes, I would gladly see her have the baby and kill herself.
The woman has a chance to do what she wants. The baby has no choice in the matter and is therefore defenseless.
Seriously, bleach cocktail. Chug it straight down.
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The baby has no choice in the matter and is therefore defenseless.
So the choice therefore would lie in it's mother, as she is the one the one that is going to look after it. I'd rather have an unwanted baby aborted than it being born and being neglected by an ill prepared mother.
Esdim wrote:
What I love is how they brainwash the hell out of their children. Couple month back there was a huge pro life rally in D.C. It was bad enough with all the added congestion on the metro, but then I saw that most of this was the pro lifers bringing their massive famalies with them. The kids were all decked out in various pro life gear as well. Just sickening.
No, no. This is a good thing. Those kids will grow up and REBEL, becoming everything their parents hate just because they can.
Hooray for rebellion!
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
The person who can't figure out how to quote wrote:
I never said it was ok to kill ANYONE. What I said was that if some woman can't keep her legs together and/or take measures to prevent pregnancy, then she is using abortion as a means to not interrupt her life. So, yes, she is making the choice to take a life. Yes, I would gladly see her have the baby and kill herself.
The woman has a chance to do what she wants. The baby has no choice in the matter and is therefore defenseless.
The woman has a chance to do what she wants. The baby has no choice in the matter and is therefore defenseless.
Thanks again for proving my point. I would like to emulate you at this point, and in total disregard for your ability to think and reason your way into choices you are comfortable with as an adult, demand that laws be passed to prevent you from not killing yourself immediately.
"Ok, care to point out the exact moment that the baby is considered alive? Conception? 1 month, 3 months? Is that small cluster of 1000 cells a human being, or do you have to hear it's heart beat first? Until you can define this for sure, you really don't even know what you're talking about."
Well, if you want to get critical about it. those 1000 cells are LIFE. They are living cells. However, if there is no formation of those cells, I wouldn't be totally opposed. But once the baby is developing and has functioning organs/brain, then it is plain old murder to kill it.
Well, if you want to get critical about it. those 1000 cells are LIFE. They are living cells. However, if there is no formation of those cells, I wouldn't be totally opposed. But once the baby is developing and has functioning organs/brain, then it is plain old murder to kill it.
Whereas abortion should in NO WAY be used as a method of "birth control", getting rid of it alltogether is also a terrible idea. You want the victim of a rape to have the baby that has spawned from said act, and then kill herself? Wow...that makes sense.
It's not whether or not the fetus is alive at the time, it's whether or not it's cognizant. In the first trimester AT LEAST, the fetus is nothing more than a billion cells, all growing and multiplying, and nowhere at all is there anything resembling a brain and thus no rational thought or knowledge of the "self". In the first trimester at least, the fetus is just about equal to a plant. It doesn't know what's happening to it, it doesn't know what it is. It's clueless.
You forget that that one fetus came from 1 sperm and 1 egg. There are billions more where it came from.
Your "god" killed everyone on the face of the earth supposedly with the "great flood" from the tale of "Noah's Ark". So why's it now bad to kill 1 unconscious mass of cells?
It's not whether or not the fetus is alive at the time, it's whether or not it's cognizant. In the first trimester AT LEAST, the fetus is nothing more than a billion cells, all growing and multiplying, and nowhere at all is there anything resembling a brain and thus no rational thought or knowledge of the "self". In the first trimester at least, the fetus is just about equal to a plant. It doesn't know what's happening to it, it doesn't know what it is. It's clueless.
You forget that that one fetus came from 1 sperm and 1 egg. There are billions more where it came from.
Your "god" killed everyone on the face of the earth supposedly with the "great flood" from the tale of "Noah's Ark". So why's it now bad to kill 1 unconscious mass of cells?
Ok. So, from what you all are saying is that a woman has the right to terminate a baby in her womb, right?
However, if someone attacks a pregnant woman and intentionally kills her baby in the womb, he can be tried for murder.
So, when the woman decides to kill her own baby it is not murder, but if someone else kills her baby, it is murder.
Therefore, if a woman decides to terminate, the fetus is not life, but if someone else kills it, it is life?
Yeah! that makes sense.
However, if someone attacks a pregnant woman and intentionally kills her baby in the womb, he can be tried for murder.
So, when the woman decides to kill her own baby it is not murder, but if someone else kills her baby, it is murder.
Therefore, if a woman decides to terminate, the fetus is not life, but if someone else kills it, it is life?
Yeah! that makes sense.
So is it murder everytime you jack off?
jehti wrote:
I would have to agree that anyone that claims to be a Pro-Lifer and kills anyone is just as bad as the scumbag doctors that perform abortions and the people that get abortions.
There are rare instances where a pregnancy is going to kill the mother and/or the chances of the baby being stillborn, where it may be necessary, but even then should be carefully weighed.
However, it is sickening how lightly so many of the masses takes abortion as just another medical procedure so as not to incovenience themselves with having to raise a baby.
Abortion = Legalized murder.
Anyone that says a baby in the womb is not alive, until the baby is born is a freaking idiot. Instead of killing the baby, why doesnt the mother have it and then kill herself to escape the responsibility?
There are rare instances where a pregnancy is going to kill the mother and/or the chances of the baby being stillborn, where it may be necessary, but even then should be carefully weighed.
However, it is sickening how lightly so many of the masses takes abortion as just another medical procedure so as not to incovenience themselves with having to raise a baby.
Abortion = Legalized murder.
Anyone that says a baby in the womb is not alive, until the baby is born is a freaking idiot. Instead of killing the baby, why doesnt the mother have it and then kill herself to escape the responsibility?
Would it be OK if we instead of aborting them ship them to your house for you to raise?
"If you ask me, we could do with a little less motivation. The people who are causing all the trouble seem highly motivated to me. Serial killers, stock swindlers, drug dealers, Christian Republicans"
George Carlin.
George Carlin.
The One and Only Katie wrote:
So is it murder everytime you jack off?
is oral sex cannibalism then?
"If you ask me, we could do with a little less motivation. The people who are causing all the trouble seem highly motivated to me. Serial killers, stock swindlers, drug dealers, Christian Republicans"
George Carlin.
George Carlin.
Baron von rosleck wrote:
jehti wrote:
I would have to agree that anyone that claims to be a Pro-Lifer and kills anyone is just as bad as the scumbag doctors that perform abortions and the people that get abortions.
There are rare instances where a pregnancy is going to kill the mother and/or the chances of the baby being stillborn, where it may be necessary, but even then should be carefully weighed.
However, it is sickening how lightly so many of the masses takes abortion as just another medical procedure so as not to incovenience themselves with having to raise a baby.
Abortion = Legalized murder.
Anyone that says a baby in the womb is not alive, until the baby is born is a freaking idiot. Instead of killing the baby, why doesnt the mother have it and then kill herself to escape the responsibility?
There are rare instances where a pregnancy is going to kill the mother and/or the chances of the baby being stillborn, where it may be necessary, but even then should be carefully weighed.
However, it is sickening how lightly so many of the masses takes abortion as just another medical procedure so as not to incovenience themselves with having to raise a baby.
Abortion = Legalized murder.
Anyone that says a baby in the womb is not alive, until the baby is born is a freaking idiot. Instead of killing the baby, why doesnt the mother have it and then kill herself to escape the responsibility?
Would it be OK if we instead of aborting them ship them to your house for you to raise?
Um, yeah, do we really need more of this dude?
What's bred in the bone will not out of the flesh.
jehti wrote:
"Ok, care to point out the exact moment that the baby is considered alive? Conception? 1 month, 3 months? Is that small cluster of 1000 cells a human being, or do you have to hear it's heart beat first? Until you can define this for sure, you really don't even know what you're talking about."
Well, if you want to get critical about it. those 1000 cells are LIFE. They are living cells. However, if there is no formation of those cells, I wouldn't be totally opposed. But once the baby is developing and has functioning organs/brain, then it is plain old murder to kill it.
Well, if you want to get critical about it. those 1000 cells are LIFE. They are living cells. However, if there is no formation of those cells, I wouldn't be totally opposed. But once the baby is developing and has functioning organs/brain, then it is plain old murder to kill it.
most republican conservatives believe life begins the moment a woman's bra is unhooked.....
"If you ask me, we could do with a little less motivation. The people who are causing all the trouble seem highly motivated to me. Serial killers, stock swindlers, drug dealers, Christian Republicans"
George Carlin.
George Carlin.
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Ok. So, from what you all are saying is that a woman has the right to terminate a baby in her womb, right?
However, if someone attacks a pregnant woman and intentionally kills her baby in the womb, he can be tried for murder.
So, when the woman decides to kill her own baby it is not murder, but if someone else kills her baby, it is murder.
Therefore, if a woman decides to terminate, the fetus is not life, but if someone else kills it, it is life?
Yeah! that makes sense.
However, if someone attacks a pregnant woman and intentionally kills her baby in the womb, he can be tried for murder.
So, when the woman decides to kill her own baby it is not murder, but if someone else kills her baby, it is murder.
Therefore, if a woman decides to terminate, the fetus is not life, but if someone else kills it, it is life?
Yeah! that makes sense.
This isn't performed by a doctor genius. Doctors know what they're doing. It's LEGAL for them to abort a fetus. A man/woman stabbing the stomach of a pregnant woman is just the stupidest argument I've ever heard anyone use to support the "pro-life" mindset.
I agree with Katie, stop talking and just die. Stop sucking the intelligence out of the room.
It always amazes me how self righteous "Pro Lifers" are.
If you are so pro life, why aren't you railing and protesting to the government for cutting healthcare benefits for children, whose parents cannot not afford healthcare or protesting that they keep cutting welfare for these children that you say you hold so dear?
Love the fetus hate the child...
Better yet, when the women whom you say are murdering these children, have them, why don't we send them all to you and you can raise them? How'd that be?
If you are so pro life, why aren't you railing and protesting to the government for cutting healthcare benefits for children, whose parents cannot not afford healthcare or protesting that they keep cutting welfare for these children that you say you hold so dear?
Love the fetus hate the child...
Better yet, when the women whom you say are murdering these children, have them, why don't we send them all to you and you can raise them? How'd that be?
jehti wrote:
Ok. So, from what you all are saying is that a woman has the right to terminate a baby in her womb, right?
However, if someone attacks a pregnant woman and intentionally kills her baby in the womb, he can be tried for murder.
So, when the woman decides to kill her own baby it is not murder, but if someone else kills her baby, it is murder.
Therefore, if a woman decides to terminate, the fetus is not life, but if someone else kills it, it is life?
Yeah! that makes sense.
However, if someone attacks a pregnant woman and intentionally kills her baby in the womb, he can be tried for murder.
So, when the woman decides to kill her own baby it is not murder, but if someone else kills her baby, it is murder.
Therefore, if a woman decides to terminate, the fetus is not life, but if someone else kills it, it is life?
Yeah! that makes sense.
Nope. I don't agree with that. I think that until there is a live birth, that baby is one and the same as the mother. I make perfect sense.
You, however, think there is nothing wrong with a woman killing herself instead of killing a fetus that is not able to survive without her.
How do you make sense?
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It's not whether or not the fetus is alive at the time, it's whether or not it's cognizant. In the first trimester AT LEAST, the fetus is nothing more than a billion cells, all growing and multiplying, and nowhere at all is there anything resembling a brain and thus no rational thought or knowledge of the "self". In the first trimester at least, the fetus is just about equal to a plant. It doesn't know what's happening to it, it doesn't know what it is. It's clueless.
if you want to be technical a born baby up to the first month or so is not cognizant and by you logic it would still be ok to kill it...life begin at the moment the sperm and egg become one...the other poster is dead on about the contradiction in our laws as far as the baby is not a human if the mother kills it but is if someone else kills it...no the mother should not raise a child she does not want there is a wonderfully thing called adoption and millions of want to be parents to take the child
with all the methods of birth control in this country today...even if you discount not having sex till married...it is a real special person to pregnant by mistake, not counting rape or incest
"Would it be OK if we instead of aborting them ship them to your house for you to raise?"
Or how about keep your **** in your pants, use contraception, or /gasp abstain from sex until you are ready to take responsibility for your actions. Obviously that will never happen.
The millions of abortions per year attest to the fact that all you sexual deviants use abortion as a means of birth control.
Man says, "Heya honey, lets ****"
woman says, "Ok, but shouldn't we use a condom?"
man says, "Nah, don't worry about it, it feels better without a condom."
woman says, "Yeah, but I don't want to get pregnant!"
Man says, "Dont worry about it, if you get pregnant, we can just abort it!"
Woman says, "True! We can just kill the little *******, how dare any baby interrupt my life. Stick it to me sugar!"
Edited, Mon Jun 27 12:37:23 2005 by jehti
Or how about keep your **** in your pants, use contraception, or /gasp abstain from sex until you are ready to take responsibility for your actions. Obviously that will never happen.
The millions of abortions per year attest to the fact that all you sexual deviants use abortion as a means of birth control.
Man says, "Heya honey, lets ****"
woman says, "Ok, but shouldn't we use a condom?"
man says, "Nah, don't worry about it, it feels better without a condom."
woman says, "Yeah, but I don't want to get pregnant!"
Man says, "Dont worry about it, if you get pregnant, we can just abort it!"
Woman says, "True! We can just kill the little *******, how dare any baby interrupt my life. Stick it to me sugar!"
Edited, Mon Jun 27 12:37:23 2005 by jehti
Jehti, a whopping 18 posts to his name and just happened to find the Asylum and this thread on abortion in order to make most of them.
Why do you guys even waste the time of day on an obvious sock/troll trying to get yall riled up?
Why do you guys even waste the time of day on an obvious sock/troll trying to get yall riled up?
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is oral sex cannibalism then?
Only if she swallows.
bhodisattva Defender of Justice wrote:
Jehti, a whopping 18 posts to his name and just happened to find the Asylum and this thread on abortion in order to make most of them.
Why do you guys even waste the time of day on an obvious sock/troll trying to get yall riled up?
Why do you guys even waste the time of day on an obvious sock/troll trying to get yall riled up?
Jealous?
Who cares if he's a troll? Have you looked around lately?You might be forgetting abortions probably cost about 100 times more than a single condom, and you actually think they'll become a new form of birth control? We have things called "the pill", spermicide, condoms, etc.
"Jehti, a whopping 18 posts to his name and just happened to find the Asylum and this thread on abortion in order to make most of them.
Why do you guys even waste the time of day on an obvious sock/troll trying to get yall riled up?"
Wow, I don't have 5800+ posts like you Mr. Loser with nothing else in life to do but post nonstop on this forum!
The Asylum is for rants and disagreements. This topic is one of the very few that made me realize how many baby killing satanists we have here and thought I would do my best to rile you up.
Fortunately, some people do still have the ability to stand up for the defenseless, unlike you freaks of nature that would rather kill an unborn child than figure out ways to not get pregnant in the first place.
Why do you guys even waste the time of day on an obvious sock/troll trying to get yall riled up?"
Wow, I don't have 5800+ posts like you Mr. Loser with nothing else in life to do but post nonstop on this forum!
The Asylum is for rants and disagreements. This topic is one of the very few that made me realize how many baby killing satanists we have here and thought I would do my best to rile you up.
Fortunately, some people do still have the ability to stand up for the defenseless, unlike you freaks of nature that would rather kill an unborn child than figure out ways to not get pregnant in the first place.
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