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#1 Jun 23 2005 at 3:37 PM Rating: Good
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Bush adviser said liberals urge ‘understanding’ for 9-11 attackers
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Updated: 4:03 p.m. ET June 23, 2005

NEW YORK - Democrats demanded Thursday that White House adviser Karl Rove either apologize or resign for accusing liberals of wanting “therapy and understanding” for the Sept. 11 attackers, escalating the rancor that threatens to consume Washington.

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Rove’s comments — and the response from the political opposition — mirrored earlier flaps over Democratic chairman Howard Dean’s criticism of Republicans, a House Republican’s statement that Democrats demonize Christians and Democratic Sen. **** Durbin’s comparison of the Guantanamo prison to **** camps and Soviet gulags.

White House press secretary Scott McClellan came to Rove’s defense, saying the president’s chief political adviser was “simply pointing out the different philosophies and different approaches when it comes to winning the war on terrorism.”

“Of course not,” McClellan said when asked by reporters whether President Bush will ask Rove to apologize.

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Rove, in a speech Wednesday evening to the New York state Conservative Party just a few miles north of Ground Zero, said, “Liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers.” Conservatives, he said, “saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war.”

He added that the Democratic Party made the mistake of calling for “moderation and restraint” after the terrorist attacks.


Ahh, I see we democrats are humanitarians, while Republicians are barbarians.

Ok, I like starting arguements and can't wait until Gbaji posts on this thread
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#2 Jun 23 2005 at 3:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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Did Rove imply anyone did anything ****-esque? That's the real question.

Really, I'm tired of both sides throwing hissy fits and demanding apologises once a week from the other side.
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#3 Jun 23 2005 at 3:47 PM Rating: Decent
I hope this mess continues until I am old enough to run for Pres. By then the political atmosphere will be weak enough for my rise to power.
#4 Jun 23 2005 at 3:49 PM Rating: Decent
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While I'm a Democrat, I strongly believe there are some people in the world who will not listen to speeches and peace offerings, and who'll only respond to force such as those terrible bastards who commited the heinous acts of 9-11.
#5 Jun 23 2005 at 3:54 PM Rating: Decent
You are correct, Roller. If they were inclined to diplomacy then they would not hide behind sneak attacks and criminal organizations.
#7 Jun 23 2005 at 3:56 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
Did Rove imply anyone did anything ****-esque? That's the real question.

Really, I'm tired of both sides throwing hissy fits and demanding apologises once a week from the other side.


No Rove didn't, but Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y. did use a Civil War / Gay Activist phase.

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Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., wrote a similar letter to Rove from House Democrats.

Schumer said Rove’s comments might have been made in the heat of the moment and he was willing to accept an apology. But “if they try to stonewall,” he said, “then I think resignation would be called for.”
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#8 Jun 23 2005 at 3:58 PM Rating: Decent
I would like to note that you also afford the luxury of having a wider spectrum of political parties that hold real power in your country. Here, it is "Black and White", "Blue and Red", "Good and Evil", and such. There are only two boxes to think within, unfortunately. Which has truly led us down this path.
#9 Jun 23 2005 at 5:19 PM Rating: Good
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Ok, I like starting arguements and can't wait until Gbaji posts on this thread


I heard that! I demand that you appologize for your assumptions that I'd, um... do something you don't like or something...

Yeah. That's it. Now appologize or else! ;)
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#10 Jun 23 2005 at 5:21 PM Rating: Good
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In the House of commons, MPs must refer to others as "my honourable friend" and actually calling someone a liar isn't allowed. So they come up with phrases to replace the word like "economical with the truth". And both sides laugh when someone makes a good joke, and go "Ooooo" and wave bits of paper around when someone makes a particuarly witty or cutting statement. And then the guy who's paid to keep order interjects and tells everyone to calm down.


Not to make any direct comment on the pros and cons of US versus UK political discussion... But...

Aren't fistfight relatively common on the floor of the house of Commons? We may be a bit nastier with our words, but I think that allows our guys to let of their steam. The Brits seem to hold it all in and then explode into fisticuffs when they realize that politness isn't working anymore...
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#11 Jun 23 2005 at 5:45 PM Rating: Good
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Isn't the Japanese government particularly fond of those antics? I seem to remember seeing a number of film clips of polititians running up and slapping each other in the face, pulling hair, etc.
#13 Jun 23 2005 at 7:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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Rove, in a speech Wednesday evening to the New York state Conservative Party just a few miles north of Ground Zero, said, “Liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers.” Conservatives, he said, “saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war.”


Of course this ignores the fact that everyone in the Senate and all but one in the House voted Bush all the power necessary to pursue and punish those responsible for the attacks.

Karl Rove is a despicable individual. I'm not surprised to see him stoop this low.
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#14 Jun 23 2005 at 10:54 PM Rating: Good
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Its just another case of pubbies telling themselves stories in order to feed their own egos. It was like Cheney listening to the sound of his own voice and regaling the reporters with a story of how he flies over arlington cemetary and looks down at the crosses marking the graves of all those brave soldiers and remembers what we are fighting for.

The pubbies get all warm hearted and feel good until someone points out that the tombstones in Arlington are all square blocks and not a cross is to be found. Just another made up story in order to garner support. Same as Rove saying that dems were talking bout therapy after 9/11 when it was obviously not the case.

Of course as Joph mentioned it would be nice if both sides stopped tattling on each other like a spoiled child whenever the other one says something "mean".
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#15 Jun 24 2005 at 9:54 AM Rating: Decent
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I believe it's the Japanese parliament that has been known to break out into all-out brawls. Those squints are just too repressed.

YSU wrote:
In the House of commons, MPs must refer to others as "my honourable friend" and actually calling someone a liar isn't allowed. So they come up with phrases to replace the word like "economical with the truth". And both sides laugh when someone makes a good joke, and go "Ooooo" and wave bits of paper around when someone makes a particuarly witty or cutting statement. And then the guy who's paid to keep order interjects and tells everyone to calm down.

Americans aren't quite as eloquent as you brits. As the Knobster pointed out, you guys can make a speech full of insults hidden in expansive prose. We just like to call each other as[/b]sholes and *****, and tell people to shut the fu[/b]ck up.
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#16 Jun 24 2005 at 10:34 AM Rating: Decent
I think what Rove meant by that statement was that the far far left liberals that have begun to identify the democratic party are more quick to show compassion for our enemies than to attack them. The majority of democrats do not think this way, I am hoping, but people like Durbin are starting to be the symbols for the Democratic Party and what it represents. If I were a Democrat, I would be very angry with Durbin and disappointed in my party.
#17 Jun 24 2005 at 11:26 AM Rating: Decent
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I think what Rove meant by that statement was that the far far left liberals that have begun to identify the democratic party are more quick to show compassion for our enemies than to attack them. The majority of democrats do not think this way, I am hoping, but people like Durbin are starting to be the symbols for the Democratic Party and what it represents. If I were a Democrat, I would be very angry with Durbin and disappointed in my party.

Better than the warmongering fascists in power now.
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#18 Jun 24 2005 at 11:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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PraetorianX wrote:
I think what Rove meant by that statement was that the far far left liberals that have begun to identify the democratic party are more quick to show compassion for our enemies than to attack them. The majority of democrats do not think this way, I am hoping, but people like Durbin are starting to be the symbols for the Democratic Party and what it represents. If I were a Democrat, I would be very angry with Durbin and disappointed in my party.


Really? Because I think what Rove meant by that statement is that everyone who isn't a bloodthirsty warmongering evil soulless son of a fu[/i]cking bi[i]tch (that also, incidentally, votes Republican and goes to the right kind of church and is white and heterosexual and male and a member of the best sort of whites-only club where he can play golf in the most fu[i][/i]cking godawfully absurd getup money can by while feeling really horribly smug about himself) is a spineless appeaser.
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#19 Jun 24 2005 at 12:33 PM Rating: Decent
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such as those terrible bastards who commited the heinous acts of 9-11.


You mean those dead dudes who flew the planes? Yeah, they'll really respond to force.
#20 Jun 24 2005 at 1:05 PM Rating: Decent
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You mean those dead dudes who flew the planes? Yeah, they'll really respond to force.

No, I mean the as[/b]sholes behind the attack who told those di[b]ckheads they'd get 71 virgins or whatever for commiting mass homiside in the name of their god.

The ACTUAL people flying the planes into the buildings are dead obviously, nothin much we can do to them now.

Edited, Fri Jun 24 14:09:27 2005 by Roller
#21 Jun 24 2005 at 2:20 PM Rating: Decent
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No, I mean the as[/b]sholes behind the attack who told those di[b]ckheads they'd get 71 virgins or whatever for commiting mass homiside in the name of their god.

Meh, not that important, apparently. Gave chase for a few months then gave up for something shinier and sparklier.

+10 for whoever can identify this line:

"Ooh, a SPARKLY!"
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My first thought was that crow from The Secret of NIMH but I'm not too confident on it.
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#23 Jun 24 2005 at 2:27 PM Rating: Good
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+10 for whoever can identify this line:

"Ooh, a SPARKLY!"


It was also said in Finding Nemo.

Edited, Fri Jun 24 15:27:02 2005 by ElderonXI
#24 Jun 24 2005 at 2:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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All I know is that, as a woman, I am sick and tired of perfectly good feminine traits being put in such negative light. Since when is compassion a bad thing? We certainly ate it up when it was our turn to get it.
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All I know is that, as a woman, I am sick and tired of perfectly good feminine traits being put in such negative light. Since when is compassion a bad thing? We certainly ate it up when it was our turn to get it.

As a buddhist imma have to agree what the skirt said about compassion.

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The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
All I know is that, as a woman, I am sick and tired of perfectly good feminine traits being put in such negative light. Since when is compassion a bad thing? We certainly ate it up when it was our turn to get it.

As a buddhist imma have to agree what the skirt said about compassion.

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