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#1 Jun 23 2005 at 12:33 PM Rating: Decent
How do you do it?

Me and my GF have plans to get married within the comeing year or two. We are looking to buy a house and have a child. Now her work gives her 4 months maternity leave. My job, I have no clue what the deal is for dads.

She commutes 4 hours total a day on the train to work in Manhattan. (2 hours there, 2 hours back) I commute right down the street but my job is pointless. I only make about 35k a year, the GF makes almost 3 times that. So that is the important job, mine can be dropped and picked up somewhere else.

My question is, with both parents working how do you raise your child. We both agreed that her spending 2 hours with the kid a day would not cut it. We both need to work so we can afford a house in this shi[b][/b]thole state of NJ. Another thing we agreed on was anti-day care. I want to raise my kids, it seems that in society these days no one raises their own kids. They just drop em off and pick them up. Maybe this why all teens and kids are kinda loopy. But i digrees.

My GF said her parents would love to watch their "grandkids." I feel like i would be imposing on their retirement, seeing that they have already helped raise 4 other grandkids (thats a whole nother story). Besides in an attempt to cut down on the GFs commute time would require a move into dreaded North New Jersey.
Moving North makes the commute quicker, but pushes us about 1.5hours away from her parents and 3 hours from mine. So day care may be an issue. Id prefer grandma and grandpa watching the kid over some day-care.

It sounds confusing but basically, we need to move north (Pro: closer to work / Con: away from parents = Day Care) We want to raise our child hands-on at all times but it just does not seem possible. What have you mommies and dads sacrificed or done to resolve the said situation. Do you think this country has become to dependant on day care? If so at what cost to the child/parent relationsghip?
#2 Jun 23 2005 at 12:36 PM Rating: Good
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You're getting married, and don't yet know how to do it? Smiley: oyvey

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#3 Jun 23 2005 at 12:43 PM Rating: Good
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You said you make less than her, so why don't you stay home? It doesn't have to be the mom, you know.

As for my situation; my son stays with a woman who babysits out of her house. It has its pros and cons. But there's just no way that we could afford for one of us to be out of work. I'd rather raise my child full time instead of nights and weekends (this is the way I see it), but it's just not in the cards right now.

My son loves his babysitter though, so I just try to think of it the same as if a relative was watching him. Also, he's able to play with other kids this way. If he stayed with me or dad all day, his interaction with other kids would be more limited.
#4 Jun 23 2005 at 12:45 PM Rating: Good
Here's what you do. You move to the subarbs. You quit your job and become the stay at home dad. Look for homes that have been re-po'd for back taxes. Buy it super cheap. End of story.
#5 Jun 23 2005 at 12:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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Sora, it's also a question of drive. No matter how much you love your kids, some women/men just aren't cut out to be stay-at-home parents, and need the challenges and adult interaction that their job provides. Take a good hard look at each other's personalities before making any desicions.

Grandparents, daycare, whatever it is is all help, and necessary if you both want to work but you will be the child's parents whether you both work or not, and they'll know this. It's quality, not quantity.
#6 Jun 23 2005 at 12:51 PM Rating: Good
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I stay at home during the day with my son, and then work at night. It gives me the time to be with my son and watch him grow, which is something I had always wanted to do. Mr. DSD and I had discussed this before kids so we knew I would be cutting back my full time job to only a few days a week, which later on became nights to delete daycare.

I dont know how people can afford day care. Where I am more than 2/3 of what I was pulling in paid just for daycare, really only leaving a little bit for pocket money. After two years we sat down, rebudgeted everything, and realized with me staying home during the day and working nights, we would be making more money than if I worked full time.


The best thing you can do with your lady love, is to have both of you sit down, and play around with your budget, with both incomes and then without one of them. See what works best financially. Also, before you guys stay where you are and think the grandparents are going to raise your child while youre working, make sure that they know thats what youre thinking and are behind it 110%. The only thing I can think of negatively with this, is to expect them to tell you how to raise your child. It doesnt mean it WILL happen, but it can, since they will feel they spend more time and thusfar, know your child's behavior better. It happened to me while I had to put my son in fulltime daycare in the beginning and while I had to work 2 jobs with my sister in law. Sometimes family is a blessing, others you just want to smack them.


But above all, really think on your options and then go with what you bost feel is the "right feeling" even if it means you may be further away from parental units. Besides, they have cars, they can come visit you. You'll just get a nice phone call prior to them knocking on your door Smiley: grin


edited to add, no matter what decision you make, it will not affect your relationship with your child. You will be your childs daddy. End of story. You know that, they know that, do not feel that you working to provide them with a safe enviorment will mean they wont recognize you. As long as you both take the time you have with your child and make it true quality time, thats the best thing you can do

Edited, Thu Jun 23 13:53:50 2005 by deadsidedemon
#7 Jun 23 2005 at 12:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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Another thing we agreed on was anti-day care. I want to raise my kids, it seems that in society these days no one raises their own kids. They just drop em off and pick them up. Maybe this why all teens and kids are kinda loopy. But i digrees.
Few people are just "dropping off and picking up" their kids because they want to. It's because they want to pay the mortgage, buy groceries, keep fuel in the car and be able to see lights come on when they flip a switch. If you can work out something with CitiMortgage where I can stay home and they don't evict me, lemme know.
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#8 Jun 23 2005 at 12:53 PM Rating: Decent
We worked opposite shifts for years. I was in the military while our kids were little, thankfully the other shifts were a viable option. Yeah, it sucked to not see each other much but I think our kids ended up being better off for it. We were not thrilled with the idea of having someone else raise our kids.
#9 Jun 23 2005 at 12:53 PM Rating: Decent
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My dad did it with me. We had a house in Fairfax, VA, so you know it wasnt cheap. He worked nights at a prison, went to school to get his masters (in physics), AND stayed at home with me full time. My mom worked regular shift, so he left when she got home (he cooked every meal, including dinner). Because of his sacrifice, i ended up going to college when i was 15.

Motivation and discipline is what you need. Dont overextend with some McMansion that has 5k+-feet^2 and 15 bedrooms, buy what you will utilize. Dont go buy some BMW or Mercedes, get something inexpensive that will get you around, or w/e.

Its all up to what you are willing to sacrifice in your kids.
#10 Jun 23 2005 at 12:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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Its all up to what you are willing to sacrifice in your kids.
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#11 Jun 23 2005 at 12:59 PM Rating: Decent
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You said you make less than her, so why don't you stay home? It doesn't have to be the mom, you know.


That has been discussed, like a last resort. We need both our jobs though to pay the bills and afford a decent place to raise a child.
Right now (we are renting) If a baby poped out tomorrow I could technically stay home while the GF works but, kinda tough in a 1 bedroom apartment, yeah the first year or two would be fine but later in life ehhh he/she will need a room Smiley: lol (that is an extreme example)

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Sora, it's also a question of drive. No matter how much you love your kids, some women/men just aren't cut out to be stay-at-home parents, and need the challenges and adult interaction that their job provides. Take a good hard look at each other's personalities before making any desicions.


We actually never discussed that. Never really thought about it. Im gonna keep that in mind, thank you. Smiley: smile

#12 Jun 23 2005 at 1:07 PM Rating: Default
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Another thing we agreed on was anti-day care. I want to raise my kids, it seems that in society these days no one raises their own kids. They just drop em off and pick them up. Maybe this why all teens and kids are kinda loopy. But i digrees.
Few people are just "dropping off and picking up" their kids because they want to. It's because they want to pay the mortgage, buy groceries, keep fuel in the car and be able to see lights come on when they flip a switch. If you can work out something with CitiMortgage where I can stay home and they don't evict me, lemme know.


Good point. Smiley: smile

There are though, some families that do drop the kids off at day care everyday while they sit in their mansions or go buy stuff. Ive seen it happen, not very common but does happen. I guess "society" like I said was a stupid generalization.

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Edited, Thu Jun 23 14:11:00 2005 by Soracloud
#13 Jun 23 2005 at 1:08 PM Rating: Good
Forclosed homes! Its the way to go. My parents are actually looking at a forclosed home right now. 4 bedrooms 2 bath, 1 dining, 2 living areas, 2 car garage, pool and hot tub. It's in a neighbor hood with 100k+ homes. Its going for 40. Btw, yes this is the south, 100k+ homes here are the creme of the crop.
#14 Jun 23 2005 at 1:11 PM Rating: Decent
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#15 Jun 23 2005 at 1:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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Forclosed homes! Its the way to go. My parents are actually looking at a forclosed home right now. 4 bedrooms 2 bath, 1 dining, 2 living areas, 2 car garage, pool and hot tub. It's in a neighbor hood with 100k+ homes. Its going for 40. Btw, yes this is the south, 100k+ homes here are the creme of the crop.
Kudos to your folks. Around here they get bought up so quick by these new businesses, it's rare that Joe Citizen can get his hands on one, much less outbid.


And Sora, don't mention it. I know lots of women that wanted to stay at home and then just couldn't. They loved their kids but were just miserable wives and people.


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There are though, some families that do drop the kids off at day care everyday while they sit in their mansions or go buy stuff. Ive seen it happen, not very common but does happen. I guess "society" like I said was a stupid generalization.
I don't doubt it. Nannies and caretakers for kids while the parents go about their own thing is nothing new, after all. But, for a lot of working class families, the need for daycare is a simple reality not a choice they make.

No harm, though Smiley: wink Given that I raise my spawn solo, my options are either to send him to daycare or else to leave him in a dog cage so I didn't really try to weigh in on the crux of your question. I interview people, get a feel and talk to my son at the end of the day to see how his day was and how daycare treated him. I prefer private in-home daycares to "school" types so he's one kid of three or four instead of one of twenty. It's getting to be less of an issue now since he was in half-day kindergarten and this fall will be in full-day first grade so his "daycare" time will be a few hours at the start and tail end of the day. Regardless of if I was at home or not, he'll be spending six and a half hours in the same building.
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#17 Jun 23 2005 at 1:21 PM Rating: Good
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Also, the babysitter gets to help with the fun stuff like potty training!

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#18 Jun 23 2005 at 1:28 PM Rating: Good
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Here's what you do. You move to the subarbs.


He lives in NJ, the entire state is a suburb of NYC.

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Me and my GF have plans to get married within the comeing year or two. We are looking to buy a house and have a child.


I recommend putting off having the kid as long as possible so you can get the house you want, in the neighborhood you want. You have plenty of time to have the kids later. Get the home bought, and the budget set with plently of disposable cash to put away for the time the baby comes. Also you might want to change careers or improve your current career path sometime in the future, and you would want to do that before the baby comes and money gets tighter. Not that ther is anyhting wrong with your curretn choice, but once you have a kid they come first and you have to change you priorites and choose what job you need accordinly. It might be better to start thinking this way prior to having the kid because that break in period in the begining of a new career is easier without having kids and the time they need.



Edited, Thu Jun 23 14:33:49 2005 by fhrugby
#19 Jun 23 2005 at 2:28 PM Rating: Decent
Katie wrote:
4 bedrooms 2 bath, 1 dining, 2 living areas, 2 car garage, pool and hot tub. It's in a neighbor hood with 100k+ homes. Its going for 40. Btw, yes this is the south, 100k+ homes here are the creme of the crop


Holy crap.....

You know what 100k gets you in my neck of the woods, I am not embelishing in any way I swear,

A listing in the town that we rent in.

Yeah thats the listing for 4bedroom 2 baths. Smiley: lol
Grantd its an affluent area but the rest of the state is not far behind.

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recommend putting off having the kid as long as possible so you can get the house you want, in the neighborhood you want. You have plenty of time to have the kids later. Get the home bought, and the budget set with plently of disposable cash to put away for the time the baby comes. Also you might want to change careers or improve your current career path sometime in the future, and you would want to do that before the baby comes and money gets tighter


Amen, amen.

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My hat off to you. Smiley: smile

Well from what I have gathered from everyone and feelings I have had myself, raising a child = can't have your cake and eat it too.


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recommend putting off having the kid as long as possible so you can get the house you want, in the neighborhood you want. You have plenty of time to have the kids later.
I respectfully disagree. You only have so much time in this world and you're only young once. I'd rather live modestly and have my son now than get a big house and be pushing 65-70 by the time my first child graduates college. Times goes quicker than you think.
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DSD hit the nail on the head. Sort the budget first. Day care costs a arm and a leg + dips on your first born male. When I was married, I had the larger income ( wile in the service ) so my ex did the stay at home thing. After the first few months she went back to work at night and I stayed home with our daughter. When I left the service rolls were reversed for a time until I found a good job. I hateed useing Granparent day care, I figure they desierve a break after raising kids, and working for so long, BUT if they are willing the amount of money it saves it awsome and even better your child is with someone who loves it opposed to someone making minium wage to keep a eye on em.
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#23 Jun 23 2005 at 3:13 PM Rating: Good
We looked at daycare versus my wife staying home (I make more than her) and it's cheaper for daycare. Granted we're in the midwest and have an easier time of it.

I work for a company with a nice flexible spending account option, I have the year's worth of daycare taken out of my paycheck pre-tax and it even helps put us in a lower tax bracket.

Our housing situation sounds a lot like where Katie is, my wife and I are looking at a very nice 3br with 3 stall garage (for my '56 Dodge I'm restoring) and great neighborhood for $130,000.

Drive to work is about 10 minutes, I can't imagine commuting for 4 hours Smiley: eek
#24 Jun 23 2005 at 3:34 PM Rating: Decent
I would be nice to "wait for the right time to have a child" BUT in most cases in which a child is born that is not the case.....
I too have a daughter, I hated the idea of day care and still not fond of it. How ever, At day care, the children are taught, not just watched. They get social experince, and have alot of fun. On the down side, they are being partly raised by teachers...(but are we not all partly raised by teachers for 12 years?) AND they do not get the one on one attetion that a parent could and would give. (question is though, would you as a parent give the child as much attetion as they could get at daycare..with other kids...teachers...activities..ext...)
I stayed home with her for the first year and a half in which I was misrable. I am one of those ppl that CAN NOT stay at the house that much. Even though I was raising my daughter and love her dearly, it was not me. SO...yes I agree that quality is MUCH better than quanity. Sometimes you have to sacrifice and let down your gaurd for what is better for the family as a whole and not just what is good for each person involved. Just something to ponder in your quest to become...the greatest parents of all time. GL :)
#25 Jun 23 2005 at 3:42 PM Rating: Decent
Soracloud,

I work 40hrs a week and go to school part time. My wife stays home, takes care of our three year old and goes to school full time. I still manage to play a decent amount of WoW every week and my kid still knows who I am, I still get time to spend with him, so does my Wife. I'm active in his life, my spouses and still have some time (less than I spend on the others) for myself. How do we manage all this?

We muddle through. I keep the bills paid, go to work and my grades up and then play the rest by ear. My wife goes to school, cooks cleans and does anything else that needs doing. I think that's what about 90% of people do. You may see a few people that have everything together and look like the perfect parents but not every one is able to be that way, kids still turn out normal. More importantly your kid will most likely turn out normal. You'll make comprimises and sacrifice things you enjoy (/mourn my motorcycle) but more often than you expect have a really good time.

Daycare is a tough issue. I think it was said best above in the comment about it being more about keeping the mortgage paid and the lights on etc. Yes it's expensive but IMO it's not that bad for the child as many people make it out to be. Emotionally it may feel like your abandoning your child for 8 hours a day but sometimes they actually have a pretty good time. My son's daycare had a lunch for all the paraents at which they played video of the kids shot over the course of the last year. Almost from the start of the tape the kids were running, laughing, playing and having a really good time. Just make sure you find a good one.

I wasn't ready for my son, his conception was a suprise. He had a rough four months of life but that'll make for an even longer post (if people are curious I'll post the story later). The biggest thing he has taught me is to just relax and enjoy the ride. Don't over think, don't fret, worry, focus on bad things or panic. Just relax.

And congratulations, post pics of the wedding and baby when they come.

P.S. What the hell is that avatar? That thing kind of disturbs me.



Edited, Thu Jun 23 16:44:40 2005 by fortnight
#26 Jun 23 2005 at 4:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Here's what you do. You move to the subarbs. You quit your job and become the stay at home dad. Look for homes that have been re-po'd for back taxes. Buy it super cheap. End of story.


We agree on something.... scary!
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