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#52 Mar 01 2005 at 3:39 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm not sure about a single generation, even if people only did have one sexual partner(wife, husband).

For example, lets say one couple has AIDS, they have a child, that child marries someone without AIDS, ya still got AIDS spreading..


Um... While I suppose it's theoretically possible for a child born of two people with AIDs to live long enough to get married and have a child as well, that's extremly improbable.

The absolute reality from the Catholic Church's perspective is that if people stopped having pre-martital and extra-marital sex, the AIDs epedemic simply would not exist. Thus, their "rules" are absolutely correct in this case, if only the rest of the world would follow them. It's kinda hard to argue against that (unless you're a hedonist like me).


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The only way that plan would work is..if we exterminated EVERYONE with AIDs and implemented a law that made it impossible to have sex with anyone that isn't your wife/husband.


The former isn't really needed though. AIDs is already terminal. No need to kill the people. God's doing that already, right?

And that "law" already exists as far as the Church is concerned. It's not their fault that most of the rest of the world chooses not to follow it.
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#53 Mar 01 2005 at 3:39 PM Rating: Decent
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There were times when it was crucial for a family to have lots of kids. Due to such factors as high mortality rates, shorter life expectancy, reliance on domestic labor, social status, etc. large families were necessary and sustainable. These days, though, with advanced medicine and technology, overly large families are more of a burden. Perhaps AIDS and other STDs are some form of punishment for rampant overpopulation but that only amplifies the importance of using condoms. Overpopulation and STDs are curbed at the same time.
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#54 Mar 01 2005 at 3:46 PM Rating: Decent
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Just make your point and leave out the personal attacks,


like the one you started with?

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it's not constructive and you're making Catholics seem like a bunch of ranting maniacs (whether you're Catholic or not I don't know, just a guess). Also if it's required to state all sides of an argument in these forums then there would be like 3 posts a day since most people don't, so get off your high horse.


I'm not saying you have to state all sides of the argument, i'm saying acknowldge that their gonna exist if you're going to focus an entire post on just one.

Am I a catholic? That holds no sway in the conversation, whatever my motives for posting that i disagree with you, i disagree with you, and that's what we're talking about. I'm stating the view of a catholic, if i'm a catholic or not.

Apart from all of this, you've done very well to completely sidestep my challenge, not answer me or SHUT THE FU[i][/i]CK UP.
#55 Mar 01 2005 at 4:37 PM Rating: Default
I still think that sterilizing them would be better.
#56 Mar 01 2005 at 4:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Well Drac my last post wasn't an argument or even a perosnal attack disguised as an argument (as yours was). Mine was just a personal attack on you for being such an ******* in your post for no reason.

As for "sidestepping your challenge," your post really didn't seem like a challenge that would elicit some sort of argument from me. Maybe this statement confused me:
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please, don't post again, save me the ******* time

Telling someone not to respond to you really doesn't seem like an effective way to go about challenging someone... unless you were just challenging me to defy you by posting after you told me not to. In that case I did post again so that quasi-challenge was not "sidestepped."

Like I said, that last post was just a suggestion about making an argument (just like how you gave me advice with that list other points of view nonsense) and informing you that you're an *******...if you weren't already aware of it. If you can't read someone else's point of view without flipping out then maybe you best just avoid forums in general because that can't be good for your health. If you encompased your point of view with some kind of intelligent response that wasn't just a flame then maybe you would've gotten a counter-argument. But we both know that you didn't want an argument, you just wanted to bash me...nice job.
#57 Mar 01 2005 at 7:21 PM Rating: Good
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Gbaji, you're assuming no HIV positive person and HIV negative person ever marry. The assumption also seems to be being made that sex is the only way in which the virus is transmitted. Apparently the church is too.

Neither assumption is correct as you well know.

It's so heartwarming that churchgoers in these modern times still accept moral judgements being made against them because of their medical conditions.

By the way, the person who mentioned that the real challenge in the third world and other overpopulated countries is to make the idea of birth control palatable to entire cultures who place a high value on prodigious procreation is absolutely correct.

Edited, Tue Mar 1 19:36:42 2005 by Yanari
#58 Mar 01 2005 at 7:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Just a small point. Don't know if it's been mentioned or not, or if it matters or not. AID's a bloodborne disease. Doesn't need sex for transmission.
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#59 Mar 01 2005 at 7:33 PM Rating: Default
Elinda wrote:
Just a small point. Don't know if it's been mentioned or not, or if it matters or not. AID's a bloodborne disease. Doesn't need sex for transmission.


But if they were sterile the "buck stops here"
#60 Mar 01 2005 at 8:30 PM Rating: Decent
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The former isn't really needed though. AIDs is already terminal. No need to kill the people. God's doing that already, right?

And that "law" already exists as far as the Church is concerned. It's not their fault that most of the rest of the world chooses not to follow it.


I don't know, AIDs is spread in more way than sexual means, which is why I said exterminate everyone with AIDs..and probably HIV too. It may be terminal, but quite a amount of people have gotten AIDs by using needles, and stuff...
#61 Mar 03 2005 at 1:02 PM Rating: Decent
way to get aids other than sex:
drug use w/dirty needles (sharing? don't..better yet - don't USE)

way to get aids without sinning:
get a blood transfusion and be the unlucky recipitent of a pint or 2 that slipped throught the screening system.

All this talk about aids and nobody talked about anything but sex? (or did I miss it??..)
#62 Mar 03 2005 at 1:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Warlord Lefein wrote:
Elinda wrote:
Just a small point. Don't know if it's been mentioned or not, or if it matters or not. AID's a bloodborne disease. Doesn't need sex for transmission.

But if they were sterile the "buck stops here"

Sterile people can still have sex and still give each other diseases. They can also shoot up with dirty needles or get bad blood transfusions. So, while they're not reproducting anymore, they're still spreading.
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#63 Mar 04 2005 at 11:13 AM Rating: Decent
There is a viable anthropological reason why poor people breed more than the well off. With most animal species, procreation during times of famine or disease can ensure that the family line and species continue on by "stuffing the ballot" as it were. It may not seem rational but it is a basic drive. Unfortunatly our biology often has trouble keeping up with our development. Evolution can take a very long time, but many life changing developments can come along in a single lifetime.

As for the catholic church; people are obviously "sinning" already in these developing nations, so why not just hand out the damn condoms (the latex ones with just 1 hole). To hell with their policy and just save lives.
#67 Mar 05 2005 at 10:06 AM Rating: Default
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Wow! So you're suggesting AID's is a man-made virus, secretly released on a poverty stricken society as a means or population control.
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Edited, Sat Mar 5 10:10:03 2005 by Elinda
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#68 Mar 05 2005 at 10:19 AM Rating: Decent
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It attacks poor, uneducated, unprotected, "unethical", "dirty", and promiscuous populations, making it the perfect population controlling virus.

So watch out all you heathens with less than Highschool education and low paying jobs, your gonna get AIDS!
#70 Mar 05 2005 at 7:59 PM Rating: Decent
Everytime I contract AIDs I just rape a virgin, and.....POOF!

Clean weiner.
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