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#1 Feb 28 2005 at 12:52 AM Rating: Good
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...on UFOs? You guys see anything which made you go, "Hmmmmm!" or are you just as obstinate and stubborn about extra Ts as you are about evolution or business models involving the underlying economic principles of gil selling?

C'mon. I'm itchin' for a fight on this subject. I know some of you horses a$$es have an opinion on this subject. Let's hear 'em.

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#2 Feb 28 2005 at 12:56 AM Rating: Decent
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The government has secret meetings with aliens under the antarctic/artic caps. I was working back in the 80's during college and while i was out late one night on a delivery, going up I-95 North, these lights turned night into day, and blew over, no noise, nothing, just lights. Next day, not only had the whole east coast seen it (newspapers from FLA-Maine reported it), but it made the front page on the Washington Post.

So yeah, hands down im a believer.
#3 Feb 28 2005 at 12:57 AM Rating: Good
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Peter Jennings is hot.


#4 Feb 28 2005 at 12:59 AM Rating: Decent


I was too busy watching the Oscars. Damn, did anyone else see the boobs on Selma Heyak. She was looking fine, oh yes she was...

And I think Chris Rock toned his controversial comedy down too much.

#5 Feb 28 2005 at 1:07 AM Rating: Good
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Ok, so we have one person who thinks aliens are eskimos from space, another with a smarmy Canuck fetish, and a third who has the That 70's Show demographic locked up.

/sigh

Is it any wonder I visit other sites for intelligent conversation? Like I [:heart:] Pokemon and Turningoldretreadtiresintocash.com?

/double sigh

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#6 Feb 28 2005 at 1:28 AM Rating: Decent
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T, I can't say they do or do not exist. I do however feel that it's presumptious and arrogant to assume that we, humanity, is the only form of sentient life in the universe. I know people that have claimed to see UFOs. Until I see them though, my doubts will remain.
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#7 Feb 28 2005 at 1:39 AM Rating: Good
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Aha! Now we are getting somewhere. Thank you, K.

Why is it arrogant to assume we are the only intelligent life in the universe?

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#8 Feb 28 2005 at 1:42 AM Rating: Decent
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Why is it arrogant to assume we are the only intelligent life in the universe?

The size of the unverse simply. It's massive...beyond massive, and this little corner which we inhabit is all the sentient life there is? I can't buy it. Humans tends towards arrogance, the belief that we are *IT* in the universe, just enforces that arrogance.
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#10 Feb 28 2005 at 2:13 AM Rating: Good
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There may have been intelligent life that evolved, proliferated for millions of years, were advanced beyond our wildest dreams, and went extinct when their star went supernova. 50 billion years or so, anything could have happened in that time period.



#12 Feb 28 2005 at 2:43 AM Rating: Good
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According to current estimates the universe is 14 billion years old. Now if we asume evolution is the operative mechanism for developing viable life and we use human intelligence as a baseline, that took 3.5 billion years to for us to have this argument. Now factor into this that we only began broadcasting into space in the late 20th century, how could aliens have developed into those huge brained monsters we see in the movies-- which would take more time than we have used to get to where we are --and become so technologically advanced to allow them to traverse the galaxy to this specific planet in all the billions of duds circling stars everywhere?

The time it takes to get from a gaseous state to super-creature, able to cross unimaginable distances negates the possibility that ET traveled all that way to probe your a$$ with his laser tipped wand.

See where I am going with this? It doesn't make any sense.

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#14 Feb 28 2005 at 2:58 AM Rating: Good
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All-in-all, the whole aliens visiting us thing I believe is more a reflection of what it says about the person who wants it to be so. It could be construed as a way to tell if a person is more of a dependent-type personality or if they are more independent.

The need to have others out there, to not feel alone in the universe says more about their own condition than any particular logical (or illogical) belief system based on faulty or speculative science.

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#16 Feb 28 2005 at 3:08 AM Rating: Decent
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Oh, that arctic thing was a joke, i do believe in life past this planet.
#18 Feb 28 2005 at 5:42 AM Rating: Good
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I saw the Peter Jennings special, but I wasn't too impressed with it.

My belief is this: I also feel like there is most likely something out there. As was already stated, this universe is just too big for us to be the only life there is. I believe there are more advanced life forms out there, and also less advanced ones. I also believe that if any of the more advanced ones have visited us, they did so mostly during our "dark ages" and that's where a lot of our lore and mythology (not to mention parts of the bible) come from. Once we got a bit smarter, those aliens stopped coming around.

And I don't buy the arguement that is always given about "there's no way they could get here... physics state that blah blah yadda yadda yadda..." Hundreds of years ago, we thought the world was flat. You're telling me that what we know now is all we'll ever know and no way to travel around the universe in a (ahem) timely manner will ever be discovered?
#19 Feb 28 2005 at 6:24 AM Rating: Good
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Now if we asume evolution is the operative mechanism for developing viable life and we use human intelligence as a baseline, that took 3.5 billion years to for us to have this argument.

Why do you assume other creatures must evolve at the same rate as humans? Or that life on other planets is even anything conceivable like earth life.

The shear number of random freak circumstances that allowed life to spring forth on this planet...different circumstances on a different planet could yield alife unlike what we know.

#21 Feb 28 2005 at 9:13 AM Rating: Good
I have to agree with Nadenu....I think we are only touching the edge of all the prospective things we may discover. Life on other planets, who knows. How do you know that earth and its solar system is not a child's science experiment for another species?

We could be as insignificant as an ant farm in another planets evolution.

On the other hand, I thought the Peter Jenning's special very poorly done, and offering no new thoughts.
#22 Feb 28 2005 at 10:47 AM Rating: Decent
Totem, considering that some organisms on earth have much higher metabolisms than others, hence causing their life-cycles to occur much faster, they can also mutate or evolve at a much higher pace. What is to say that the environment on some planet somewhere is not conducive to the development of beings that are far more intelligent, yet have a much faster metabolic and multiplication rate, henceforth allowing them to evolve many times faster than we can on earth? Also, we know nothing of any life form that is not carbon based. Who is to say there cannot be life forms based on other elements?

Discuss.
#23 Feb 28 2005 at 10:52 AM Rating: Good
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We live in an infinte Universe. What are the chances of a big green thing with 17 eyes teleporting down into my bedroom from the mother ship in the next 5 minutes? Well, given that we live in an infinite Universe, surely it must happen. The fact that it won't contradicts the idea of infinity. Something to think about.


I think most people aren't able to understand what an infinite universe truly means. If there is in fact an infinite universe, then there are an infinite number of you and me sitting here at our computers reading this on an infinite number of earths

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The shear number of random freak circumstances that allowed life to spring forth on this planet

And you think believing in God is illogical Smiley: lol
#24 Feb 28 2005 at 11:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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And I don't buy the arguement that is always given about "there's no way they could get here... physics state that blah blah yadda yadda yadda..."
Well, if the universe is as vast and endless as people make it out to be when using that as support for alien life then that's a lot of real estate to be covering to find us. Imagine if California was devoid of humans except two people and wonder at the chance of them meeting one another.

Of course you may say that now we're signaling. So give one of the humans a flashlight to shine into the sky.

I can easily believe in the existance of "lower" life in various stages throughout the galaxy and universe. Single celled, multi-celled worm like creatures, etc. I can probably accept, for sake of argument, the existance of life approaching the same state of development we consider mammalian forms to have. I'm not saying they would be mammals but rather life forms with emotional needs, some display of intelligence, etc etc. Maybe.. maybe.. somewhere out there are green bulb headed men in spaceships who've solved all wars, famine, pestilence, etc but I think the chance of us bumping into them makes it a moot point until they arrive.
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#25 Feb 28 2005 at 11:58 AM Rating: Decent
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Anything is possible. Thinking that the only Intelliegent life (I use that term lightly) in this whole vast universe is on this planet is slightly concieted. In my years i've seen some freaky sh*t, but as far as the whole UFO thing goes, when one of those big eyed gray skinny guys show up at my house with an ashtray from the Zeta-Reticulai Hilton, i'll be a 100% believer.

It's Human nature to disprove something you can't see. Ask the (UGH!) atheists. It's also very shallow minded to disprove something you can't see (ask the open-minded).
#26 Feb 28 2005 at 12:13 PM Rating: Decent
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I believe there is intelligent life somewhere in the universe, just not circling Sol. Smiley: rolleyes

What irks me is there could be several different forms of life in various different phases of evolution, or deveopment. Scientists are searching for water as the precursor to any kind of life, but what makes that so? There could be "life" of a biological order far different than our own carbon-based world; of course, without knowing what to look for, it's kind of hard to search for it. For all we know, there could be methane-based gaseous entities living in the atmosphere of Venus; we just can't detect or communicate with them.

Remeber the movie "Evolution"? When David Duchovny makes the correlation of ************** to Selenium-Nitrogen? Life could be forming in an infinite amount of ways.

Now, as for aliens searching for us: that involves a technological advance that we can't even comprehend yet (other than bad sci-fi). Granted, we humans are very young in a galactic timescale so there may very well be beings that can travel among stars. Whether or not they're interested in, or even know of us, is hardly possible to determine.
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