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So they are finding that Immigrant black people in America are doing better than native black people. This kinda put a damper on the whole "race-card" excuses that we hear about.



http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa4081/is_200305/ai_n9168231

info in article comes from: http://mumford1.dyndns.org/cen2000/report.html



think there's any merit to this? or other ramifications?

I'll leave yous to brood while I'm sliding around in my car.. peace out yo's.

'Damn the man, always trying to keep a ***** down'

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Thats because people coming over from Africa/Caribbean know how to work their asses off, they just get paid more to do it here. Black people who were born here are born into the "If I drop out of high school, I can apply for food stamps and be a peice of crap my whole life and get paid for it" lifestyle. I love America, but come on, why are we actually paying people to be worthless. I have a relative who dropped out of high school, didnt get a GED or anything, and doesnt have a job, and she makes more a month than I do, thats ********* The people coming into this country were raised to work until they passed out or died, and they just have more opportunity for advancement and better pay in this country. I say good for them.

Edited, Thu Feb 24 16:55:36 2005 by Nezzrek

Looks like helicopter pilots are underpaid

Whoddatabouteh?

Easy. A foreign accent doesn't hurt you as badly as a ghetto one does. Ditto education. Ditto culture.

I'm not surprised at all. It's not about race as much as it is culture.

Black persons raised in this country either escape from or adhere to a hodge-podge mixed culture that has its roots in slave heritage. The social ramifications are many and real. Those who emulate whitey tend to do better for themselves socially and financially.

While this is viewed as selling out, what are they really selling out on? Their people? A culture that's composed of bad memories and unknown history?

Yet, a black person in this country who knows how speak English without 'sounding black' is stuck with one of two labels.

1. Sellout. They speak like that all the time. They've sold out to the man and have no desire to be around other black people. That's the perception, regardless of the fact that they usually just don't want to be around ghetto people and skin color doesn't enter the equation.

2. Switch. They revert to ghetto language when not around 'the man.' Not quite as bad as a total sellout, but they catch more hell because they're seen as two-faced kissases.


Foreign blacks entering this country often manage to avoid this sort of stigma because they usually get a college education, don't have the ghetto accent, are hungry for opportunity, and not subject to social reprisal because they're already on the outside of the native black culture.

Stereotypes exist because they're mostly true. Mostly does not equal always. I've fired Mexicans for laziness, just like everyone else. It's all about the individual. While you may live a culture that instills a certain set of values, there are always people in a society that don't adhere to those values.

You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

keep in mind the psyche of African Americans though. All of the knowledge and pressing on the mind of a history of slavery and opression. It must do wonders for the self esteem and ambition to integrate into the white buisness culture.

doesn't matter.

the knowlege of such things is enough to effect your life. Also hearing all around them constantly how they are being help down by the 'man' et cetera really does have an effect on how you run your life regarless. I'm not talking about history, I'm talking about how they believe that they are viewed. And for he most part they Are viewed like that. Why would you even try to be anything wehn you believe that everyone hates you anyway. It an inferiority complex.

I did use the word "believe" for a reason y'know.

fact is that it does effect people, and some just aren't strong enough to think themselves out of it. Not wehn everyone else around you is in it too.

I agree with you, I'm just pointing out an observation.



don't tell me, tell them.(not just blacks)

Didn't republicans start the No child Left Behind thing.. clearly aimed at blacks?

Not sure what your point is with this. As stated, first off, it was a bipartisan effort, so of course it had to have compromises in it.

Additionally, the plan was all about accountability and choice. It was not "targeted" at blacks, but at schools that performed poorly, and students that were not learning as they should.

There's a stark difference here in how the problem is approached. In earlier programs "targeted" at helping minority students, the federal government simply bundled up extra funds for schools based on the number of minority students they had. The assumption was that minority students were inherently at a disadvantage in school, so schools with more minority students simply required more money to offset that disadvantage. Of course, there was no check to see if the money actually helped at all, but that didn't matter. It fits right in with the other entitlement programs we've passed in the last 30 years. If a group isn't doing as well as another, simply throw money at them, and it'll magically be solved.

I'm certainly not going to try to sing the praises of No Child Left Behind, but at least it shifted the process from simply counting up "poor" students and tossing money at their schools to actually trying to come up with a method to measure real performance and give real rewards for success, and to give parents the oportunties to move their kids out of schools that fail them. It certainly is not perfect, but at least represents a methodology that tries to address the real problem instead of just creating the education equivalent of more entitlement...


Um... Most importantly (and most relevant to this thread!), it avoids impossing the "you're black, so you can't do as well in school, so we have a special program for you..." into the minds of the students. It's specifically minority blind in that respect. Schools either do well, or they don't. Students either score well on tests, or they don't. That's very relevant in relation to this topic, when you consider that past programs were very much skin-color aware. You litereally got funding based on the number and type of minority students at your school.

Edited, Thu Feb 24 21:44:56 2005 by gbaji

To sum it up:

don't discriminate based on race, discriminate based on location!

And I agree.

(fin)

The study doesn't reveal much at all. Immigrants are by their very nature motivated and driven to achieve a better life. Of course they are likely to be more succesful. It is stupid to compare a selection of the most driven and motivated members of one group, with the entire population of another group.