Is it safe to say that North Korea is like China's lil Pit Bull they keep on a leash to scare the west away? I mean, they subsidize 80%! of North Korea's electrical power.. So, you have to wonder. If China doesnt keep the DPRK in line, is this their way of waging a proxy war?
Without China's support, Kim Jong Il wouldnt have shi[/u]t!
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When dancing with devil, one should always tread carefully and whatever you do, for god's sakes let him lead.
Fine, but he better put out
South Korea supplies a great deal of aid as well. North Korea is like an errant sibling. While he may be the black sheep of the family, you still won't turn him away from your door when he is down and out and on your doorstep.
Seriously, one sniper and a bullet would do that country endless good. Cant we just get a NinjaSix to put one between his eyes and call it a day?
Is it safe to say that North Korea is like China's lil Pit Bull they keep on a leash to scare the west away?
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bingo.
anyone really think N.K. would have nukes without China,s support? it is not any more likely than the U.S. allowing Cuba to have nukes.
China is using their lil Pit Bull to win concessions from us. namely, to negotiate our military out of S.K., something they have been working on since the vietnam war.
that is why N.K. wants one on one talks with the U.S. and not interested in talking ot anyone else. China is using N.K. to exploit the box of fear Bush sold you in the middle east, nuclear proliferation, to publically taunt us to teh negotiating table.
there could be no nuclear N.K. without China,s full support. Bush knows it too. that is why he refusses to hold talks without Chinas participation. there would be no point.
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bingo.
anyone really think N.K. would have nukes without China,s support? it is not any more likely than the U.S. allowing Cuba to have nukes.
China is using their lil Pit Bull to win concessions from us. namely, to negotiate our military out of S.K., something they have been working on since the vietnam war.
that is why N.K. wants one on one talks with the U.S. and not interested in talking ot anyone else. China is using N.K. to exploit the box of fear Bush sold you in the middle east, nuclear proliferation, to publically taunt us to teh negotiating table.
there could be no nuclear N.K. without China,s full support. Bush knows it too. that is why he refusses to hold talks without Chinas participation. there would be no point.
Thank goodness we can play the Madeliene Albright/Clinton administration card to stay out of unilateral negotiations. I have many disagreements with the administration but Im certainly glad they are handling the DPRK the way they are right now.
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Is it safe to say that North Korea is like China's lil Pit Bull they keep on a leash to scare the west away?[/u]t!
Not at all. China does not want North Korea causing any problems. If anything, China would like N.K. to disappear into oblivion.
China is one of the fastest growing nations in the world, if not the fastest. In the not too distant future it will be a superpower just like the U.S. in terms of economy, military and political influence.
The U.S. knows this and basically they are afraid. They want to maintain a strong military presence in Asia to deter China from getting any big ideas in the future. Now if N.K. were to become the good little doggy that everyone wants it to be, there would really be no excuse for the U.S. to be in Asia in the numbers that it has right now. Nor would there be any excuse to supply its Asian allies with state of the art weapons, or have an excuse to completed its TMD system. As long as N.K. makes threats on it's neighbours, the U.S. has an excuse to maintain their presence. Therefore China does not want N.K. to misbehave because it wants the U.S. out.
Why do you think that out of the six nations that are involved in the peace talks that the U.S. is always the one that is not willing to give N.K. too many concessions? It is because the U.S. doesn't want peace in Northern Asian. If they had to leave, they would lose their influence on Japan, Korea and Taiwan (the 3 economic power houses of Asia) and they ability to intimidate China would be weakened.
Stop pointing the finger and take a look in the mirror.
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And I fail to see how US troops stationed in South Korea would be of concern to China. Is it some kind of secret plan of the US's, to swiftly deploy the 32500 troops to mainland China, where they can overwhelm China's standing army of some 3 million and sack Beijing?
Its not the troops that's their concern. Its all the missile armed planes and ships that came with them that's the problem.
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Actually...the funny thing is, China is probably more worried of the DPRK's nuclear ******* than anyone else. China has never assisted the DPRK nor has there ever been proof of it in any form.
Most of the DPRK's nuclear ******* is internally developed with help from old russian armaments that were sold off during the years of the soviet dissolution. The fact that the standards for some of these weapons are poor at best with speculation that the DPRK has kept hidden at least 4-6 "nuclear disasters" as a result of weapons testing is a huge cause for concern by both China & South Korea. Hence the insistence of peace talks geared towards the disarmament of the nuclear reactors that are capable of producing weapons grade plutonium in the DPRK.
In the grand scheme of things economically, even China would require the massive economic power of the US & Europe in order to bring itself over the top as the largest economy, it wouldn't be able to accomplish this alone with a closed economy.
Most of the DPRK's nuclear ******* is internally developed with help from old russian armaments that were sold off during the years of the soviet dissolution. The fact that the standards for some of these weapons are poor at best with speculation that the DPRK has kept hidden at least 4-6 "nuclear disasters" as a result of weapons testing is a huge cause for concern by both China & South Korea. Hence the insistence of peace talks geared towards the disarmament of the nuclear reactors that are capable of producing weapons grade plutonium in the DPRK.
In the grand scheme of things economically, even China would require the massive economic power of the US & Europe in order to bring itself over the top as the largest economy, it wouldn't be able to accomplish this alone with a closed economy.
Yeah let me clarify that I dont implicate China in the DPRKs nuclear weapons development. It's only in China's continued subsidy of the Il government that I have issues. China wouldnt necessarily have to be active in N Koreas nuclear program to use them as a puppet state nonetheless.
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All the same, I can't imagine any situation in which the US presence in South Korea could be thought of as a threat to China. The only exception to this would be nuclear weapons.
South Korea and Taiwan are covered with U.S. made missiles. A large portion of the U.S. fleet sails in Asian waters. If ever there were a an altercation between the U.S. and China, the U.S. would have the initial advantage as it would be able to strike Chinese targets way before China would be able to strike targets on U.S. soil. Because the U.S. has troops in Asia, they can patrol their ships and planes down the coast of China without being blatantly acused of spying (which is exactly what they are doing.) Now if Chinese ships and planes were seen just outside U.S. waters, just think how the U.S. would react.
Oh, and getting back to nuclear weapons... How do you know that America is not storing nuclear weapons in Taiwan or Korea? Nuclear weapons were suppose to banned from Japan, but it was discovered a few years ago that the Japanese Government did allow the U.S. to keep a few there for a significant period of time.
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Oh, and getting back to nuclear weapons... How do you know that America is not storing nuclear weapons in Taiwan or Korea? Nuclear weapons were suppose to banned from Japan, but it was discovered a few years ago that the Japanese Government did allow the U.S. to keep a few there for a significant period of time.
Interesting if true, I hadnt heard anything about that, could you get back to me with a link?
Bode - 100 Holy Paladin - Lightbringer
http://www.converge.org.nz/pma/ngus.htm
can't vouch for it's credibility though.
can't vouch for it's credibility though.
Well I did a 5 min look up and the evidence is from a article by Arkin/Norris/Burr
Arkin is a military "expert"
Burr a senior analyst at the national security archive
Norris Senior Research analyst at NRDC or Natural Resource Defense Council.
Not the most amazing credentials especially considering the claim on the NRDC website that " For more than 25 years, NRDC has played a major role in the formation of U.S. nuclear nonproliferation
But I dont see anyone denying the claims that throughout the 1956-1972 they had nukes on Iwo Jima, Chiwi jima and Okinawa.
Arkin is a military "expert"
Burr a senior analyst at the national security archive
Norris Senior Research analyst at NRDC or Natural Resource Defense Council.
Not the most amazing credentials especially considering the claim on the NRDC website that " For more than 25 years, NRDC has played a major role in the formation of U.S. nuclear nonproliferation
But I dont see anyone denying the claims that throughout the 1956-1972 they had nukes on Iwo Jima, Chiwi jima and Okinawa.
Bode - 100 Holy Paladin - Lightbringer
We don't gotta listen to anyone, we do waht we Wan't!
*trying to sound like Cartman*
*trying to sound like Cartman*
These are the actual documents that were released from the National Archive. They make for some interesting reading:
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Thank you kindly Jaell, much appreciated and rate ups :p
Bode - 100 Holy Paladin - Lightbringer
Your'e welcome. I was a little worried I had sent you something completely irrelevant until I read the last document. It seem the Japanese government sold it's soul to the devil huh?
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