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#1 Feb 20 2005 at 11:19 PM Rating: Good
Baby stable after second head removed

This actually raises some moral issues for me. Since the 2nd head had no lungs, it couldn't speak. It could have been sentient, though, since it could blink and smile.

So, was it murder when the 2nd head was removed?

Edit: Murder, not abortion. The baby was 10 months old.


Edited, Sun Feb 20 23:39:24 2005 by GreatZidane
#2 Feb 20 2005 at 11:21 PM Rating: Good
I would assume that if the head was capable of any thought they would have been able to figure it out thru brainwave patterns of some sort.

Either way you think about it is pretty disturbing though. Poor girl Smiley: frown




Edited, Sun Feb 20 23:25:24 2005 by Jarlaxyle
#3 Feb 20 2005 at 11:36 PM Rating: Decent
Who cares? Honestly if the second head was sentient, I doubt it would enjoy life as an Amorphous protrusion from someone elses head. If the unformed baby was kept on the other baby's head both of their lives would be horrible. I'd be happy to give up an undoubtedly sucky life to give those who were fit for it a chance at a good life.
#4 Feb 21 2005 at 12:23 AM Rating: Good
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The head that was removed from Manar had been capable of smiling and blinking but not independent life, doctors said.

Creepy. How do they know where to draw the line? Good thing these things are like a 1/1000000000 occurence.


#5 Feb 21 2005 at 6:41 AM Rating: Good
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First thing I thought when I saw the picture in the link was what it'd be like to breast feed that thing. Just has creap fest written all over that story, and makes me wonder if they had to spray the extra head down with holy water while shouting at it.
#6 Feb 21 2005 at 7:34 AM Rating: Good
Ya know ancient peoples (and some modern) would have just done the sensible thing and tossed it out with the other trash.

Yes, that's a harsh and cold world view, so I'll say it before anyone else does. I tend to be a harsh and cold ******* when it comes down to the practicalities of life. Despite the surgery, the remainder of the child will likley NOT live anything close to a normal or happy life. More likely it will be an expensive and painful life, marked by occasional media coverage, excessive sickness, hampered ability to function, and eventual early death. But it'll probably make a nice study case. Yay doctors!

In a world where most open and progressive thinkers can see the sensibility of assisted suicide, I find it odd that tossing this abnormal birth into the hospital incinerator would be viewed as both a sin and a crime when, in truth it would be better for everyone involved, from the parents to the poor child itself. The truth is that life is not fair and that this child would be better off dead. Rest assured, I would never inflict such a cruel existence on any dumb animal, much less a human being. The real crime is that valuable resources have been spent extending the unfortunate circumstance of this child's life instead of facing reality. Poor folks.
#7 Feb 21 2005 at 9:05 AM Rating: Good
Itis disturbing though that these events are occuring more often.
#8 Feb 21 2005 at 9:14 AM Rating: Good
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Itis disturbing though that these events are occuring more often.


Maybe, maybe not. We hear about them more often. It used to be a lot easier to dispose of something like this.
#9 Feb 21 2005 at 9:34 AM Rating: Good
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Wierd.
#10 Feb 21 2005 at 10:11 AM Rating: Decent
That was nasty.
#11 Feb 21 2005 at 10:17 AM Rating: Good
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The head that was removed from Manar had been capable of smiling and blinking but not independent life, doctors said.
I'm a fighter. I don't begrudge her or her parents taking whatever stab at a longer, fuller life they can.
#12 Feb 21 2005 at 10:31 AM Rating: Good
You are probably right TS, but the word Dispose just makes me uneasy!
#13 Feb 21 2005 at 12:35 PM Rating: Good
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You are probably right TS, but the word Dispose just makes me uneasy!


Why? Because it devalues a life? The circumstances that made that life so worthless in the first place are what devalued it, IMO. Maybe chance, maybe pollution or susbstance abuse, or the vengeful hand of God. Depends on who you ask, probably.

I never claimed to be overly sensitive to the plights of others, which is probably what makes it easy for me to see this as an easy issue. It's not even close to splitting hairs, if you ask me.

The simple fact is that we have billions of people on this planet; we can easily afford to discard the most obviously defective ones at birth. Strangely enough, the circumstances which have enabled us to breed with such profusion have also engendered an unhealthy tendency to place too much value on the very thing we have too many of: people.

The up side of retaining defectives is that their existence certainly helps medical science progress and some of them manage to make notable contributions to civilization in their time here with us.

The down side is that defectives are a monetary and emotional drain on those around them and of course that a couple of them have been posting here lately.

The topic could easily deviate to eugenics and the politics of or to the many faces of cloning, but I'll refrain for the moment.
#14 Feb 21 2005 at 2:56 PM Rating: Good
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It seems like most of these types of births happen in 3rd world countries. (Yes, call me Ms. Obvious). Just makes me wonder what's going on over there to cause things like this.
#15 Feb 21 2005 at 3:08 PM Rating: Good
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It seems like most of these types of births happen in 3rd world countries. (Yes, call me Ms. Obvious). Just makes me wonder what's going on over there to cause things like this.

Neo-colonialism. And we're poor as hell.
#16 Feb 21 2005 at 3:37 PM Rating: Decent
I choose to side with fighters. Maybe she will make it. We don't know. The fact is, her parents chose to give her at least a slim chance at a worthwhile life instead of none.
#17 Feb 21 2005 at 5:40 PM Rating: Good
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Itis disturbing though that these events are occuring more often.
Are they occurring more often, or are we simply choosing to save tragically birth defected babies more often?
#18 Feb 21 2005 at 7:59 PM Rating: Default
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Itis disturbing though that these events are occuring more often.

It's not that they are occuring more often, it's that there are more people having kids, and worldwide media coverage.
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