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#1 Feb 18 2005 at 11:11 PM Rating: Good
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http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/02/18/us.japan/index.html wrote:

U.S., Japan to address China's growing military

Friday, February 18, 2005 Posted: 9:38 PM EST (0238 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) --
China's growing military and its threat to Taiwan will be primary topics of conversation when foreign and defense ministers from the United States and Japan meet Saturday, State Department officials said.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld will hold talks with their Japanese counterparts at the State Department as part of a regular formal dialogue on the U.S.-Japan Security Alliance, a cornerstone of U.S. national security interests in East Asia.

The Washington Post reported in Friday's editions that Saturday's discussions will include a focus on Taiwan as a new security concern. The paper also suggested a communiqué issued after the talks would call for Japan to take a greater role in coordination with U.S. forces in Asia.

The talks come as the United States considers how to realign the nearly 50,000 U.S. forces in Japan.

State Department spokesman Richard Boucher told reporters Friday afternoon that any discussions about Taiwan or about a greater role for Japan would be "within the scope" of the two nations' mutual security treaty.

"We and Japan are allies," Boucher said. "When there are tensions in some parts of Asia -- whether it's North Korea, the Taiwan Strait or some other part of Asia -- we talk to Japan about it."

China views Taiwan as a renegade province that must be united with the mainland, by force if necessary.

Although U.S. policy recognizes Taiwan as part of China, the Bush administration has been increasingly concerned about China's threat to use force against Taiwan, should it move toward independence.

The United States does not have formal diplomatic relations with Taiwan, but has pledged to protect it and provide arms sales through the Taiwan Relations Act.

Rice said Friday that "the cross-strait issue is an issue of concern in the Asia Pacific" and that stability in the region depends on a peaceful resolution of the Taiwan issue.

"We have cautioned all parties that there should be no attempt to change the status quo unilaterally," she said. "That means no attempt by China to change the status quo unilaterally, no attempt by Taiwan to change the status quo unilaterally."

A senior State Department official said that while the United States has consistently talked with Japan about the tension across the Taiwan Strait, "we are going to note this in public this time because we want others to know that we are both concerned about it."

Officials have also warned about China's aggressive military buildup. On Wednesday, CIA Director Porter Goss told the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence that China's military buildup not only tilts the balance of power in the Taiwan Strait, it threatens U.S. forces in the region. (Full story)

Boucher said that China's emerging military and economic power in Asia is seen as positive -- for example, in the World Trade Organization and in the U.N. Security Council.

He said there are areas of concern, such as China's threats against Taiwan and Beijing's export of missile technology.

"We support the emergence of China in the region and on the world stage in many areas, as it's doing," Boucher said. But he added, "we also expect China to play by the rules, to adopt the various standards of conduct that other responsible international players use."

The senior State Department official said that while China's main goal of expanding its military might is to intimidate Taiwan, it is also trying to demonstrate its power in the region and operating in areas where the United States has operations, "which is not a good thing."

The official added that Japan is concerned about moves by China, such as a recent incursion into Japanese waters by a Chinese submarine.

Saturday's talks will also include the North Korean nuclear issue. The United States is working with Japan, China and Russia to persuade North Korea to return to six-party talks aimed at ending its nuclear program.


So say China invades Taiwan. How do we react? Do we risk all out war with China? North Korea is bound to see that as a great opportunity. Possibly in alliance with Iran and Syria in the Middle East to keep our troups occupied in that theatre? The U.S. has allot of enemies and even Rome eventually fell.
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#4 Feb 18 2005 at 11:58 PM Rating: Good
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China overtakes U.S. as world's biggest consumer

"China is no longer just a developing country. It is an emerging economic superpower, one that is writing economic history," writes the institute's president, Lester Brown.

Brown warns that the United States, which is the world's leading debtor nation, now depends heavily on Chinese capital to underwrite its fast-growing debt.

"If China ever decides to divert this capital surplus elsewhere, either to internal investment or to the development of oil, gas, and mineral resources elsewhere in the world, the U.S. economy will be in trouble."


http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2005/02/16/china-consumption-050216.html



So cantonese or mandarin?

Edited, Sat Feb 19 00:00:43 2005 by bhodisattva

Edited, Sat Feb 19 00:07:26 2005 by bhodisattva
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#5 Feb 19 2005 at 12:18 AM Rating: Default
Look, the Chinese are the only real threat to U'S. domination of the world at this point. Five years ago they published thier 50 year plan, stating in no uncertain terms that by the year 2050 they plan to control 80% of what is now considered the Orient, plus at least 50% of the southern half of what is now Russia. If not militarily, then Economically. They have enough people and resources to do it.
The one and only true threat to them at this point ( and it isn't much of a threat, since it comes from an ally) is the fact that North Korea has now announced that they have, and are willing to use, atomic weapons.
RIght now, North Korea is the single biggest threat to world stability. ( yeah, I know, what stability? But go with me on this.) Thsy N.K. have already proved, more tahn once, that they are willing to sacrifice as many of thier citizens as required to achieve victory in war. Look at the Korean war, although it was nearly half a century ago. How many thousands of people did they throw away, in order to gain numerical superiority on a battlefield? Is it any wonder that that war is one of only 2 the U.S. has ever lost? ( we are currently 12 and 2, not a bad record, even if you factor in the fact that Korea and Vietnam were never actually declard wars.) ( technically 13 and 2, but the whole Iraq part 2 war is not finished yet, so we won't count that.)
Oh, and for the Dumocrats and America haters that cry "Impirialism!" about the U.S. policies, show me one Impiralist nation that allowed free elections in the countries they took over to prove your point. I await the silence with eager anticipation.
#6 Feb 19 2005 at 12:25 AM Rating: Good
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I would be interested in a link to the "50 year plan" you quoted.
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#8 Feb 19 2005 at 8:48 AM Rating: Good
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Welp I don,t pretend to be informed on such things .. Still I catch a headline or two..

Even I can see it comin.. and if it does... I think were all screwed... World War 3 is gonna ***** up your whole day.. Was it Einstien who said WWIV would be fought with sticks and stones...?

We may be the biggest kid on the block now, but eventually all the little kids, when angered enough will take us down.. I think its time to get our fingers out of everyone elses soup..
#9 Feb 19 2005 at 1:39 PM Rating: Decent
china is not a threat to us. Tiwan may be a differant storie however. china couls take them any time they wanted to, if it wasnt for us.

as far as speaking chineese, dont worry, the most popular second language in china right now is english. it is tought as a second language in almost all of theri schools.

china WILL become an economic superpower however. short of nuking them, there is no stoping that.

consider this:

with not very much oil inside of china itself, and most of their industry run from coal, immaging the demand for energy in china as they become an industrialized nation?

during 1970, from our first oil crises, there was an estimated 200 year supply in known oil reserves through out the world.

consider the massive impact on those reserves as china develops. their demand WILL BE greater than ours. consider the impact on the world as china turns into an energy drinking dragon of epic perportions. consider the effect on our own economic situation as oil throughout the world becomes mroe valuable, and more scarce. consideer the power of whoever controlls a large supply of oil over the rest of the world, both economically, and as a national security issue?

china,s threat is not from its military, it is from its increasing appitite for energy. there WILL BE a time when there is simpley not enough for everyone. and who ever is sitting on the most, will be the most powerfull.

now, think, what would be the best way to ensure it is OUR country who is left "king of the hill" when the rice patties hit the fan?

iraq.
#12 Feb 20 2005 at 9:15 AM Rating: Good
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http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/02/20/us.japan/index.html wrote:
North Korea has accused Japan of aspiring to rule a "Greater East Asia Co-prosperity Sphere" beginning with an invasion of Korea with the assistance of the United States.


In addition, North Korea is no longer even interested with bilateral talks with the U.S. Meanwhile, while we had hoped for support from China on the issue all they have done is reiterate that they feel we are meddling in their affairs. They also appear to be rapidly increasing their military capability.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/02/20/us.japan/index.html wrote:
"Chinese government and people resolutely opposes the United States and Japan in issuing any bilateral document concerning China's Taiwan, which meddles the internal affairs of China, and hurts China's sovereignty," the Foreign Ministry said.


I wouldn't imagine that China is interested in North Korea's insane world views but. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend"

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#13 Feb 20 2005 at 10:49 AM Rating: Good
China is very interested in North Korea's world view, especially when it comes to things like nukes. There's more than one driving reason behind this. In order to maintain a balance of power in the region, we might just decide to let South Korea have nukes, too. China wouldn't like that any more than our stance on Taiwan.

China's rapidly growing navy may just be the mitigating factor that allows Japan to once again have a real military; world opinion on the subject depends on how the region image is with the rest of us. Rest assured a Japanese military is something else China wouldn't be too happy with.

Also, China is very keen to be allowed to purchase military components from Western countries, something they are currently prohibited from doing. Russian components aren't junk, but they aren't everything, either. China wants to be able to get access to our goodies. They have to play ball to do that.

China has very real reasons to do what they can with North Korea.
#14 Feb 20 2005 at 8:45 PM Rating: Decent
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I have a few Taiwanese friends and they do not care much for China to be their "landlord". I personally believe that Taiwan is better off as an independent country.

The only thing I am always puzzled about is US stand on this issue.

US recognizes Taiwan as part of China, but pledging to protect it from a 'China invasion'. - How could a country 'invade' its own territory?

US does not sell arms to China, but it sells to Taiwan. - Is not US effectively selling arms to China since Taiwan is 'recognized' as part of China?

Call me a cynic, but it seems to be in the best interest for this issue to be smoldering in the region so that arms producers could profit by selling weapons to these countries. (Example: the multi billion dollar patriot missile defense system deal with Japan.)

#15 Feb 21 2005 at 12:07 PM Rating: Good
Ya know, it has occurred to me that the rebel flag-wavers down here would just LOVE to have the US support Taiwan in an official secession from China. They'd probably attack Fort Sumter again to celebrate.

I probably shouldn't tell them about it. Maybe then it'll be a secret for a few years...
#16 Feb 21 2005 at 2:00 PM Rating: Decent
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If China attacks Taiwan, our only course of action would be to invade Portugal and impose new democracy. It's rather obvious.
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