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#1 Feb 15 2005 at 12:00 PM Rating: Decent
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How to Alienate Your Ever Shrinking Fanbase


What was once one of the fastest growing sports, popularity wise, is quickly becoming "Who gives a Puck!".

Its sad to think players like Chelios,Lemieux,Messier and Brett Hull will likely be forced into retirement because of the lockout, or waste their last playing days on teams like the "Motor City Mechanics" in Port Huron, Mich.





Edited, Tue Feb 15 15:57:32 2005 by RedjedBlue
#2 Feb 15 2005 at 12:18 PM Rating: Decent
Looks good on the greedy bastards...after crying about a salery cap and saying that they would never accept one, then when an actual date gets set to cancel the season, the $#$@ing morons decide "oh, a salery cap isn't that bad, but we won't accept the cap the league has offered). Had they mentioned this before, there may have been time to negotiate a deal, but, the rich always try to get richer
#3 Feb 15 2005 at 3:30 PM Rating: Decent
This all is happening because of 40 some odd so called superstars want 30 million dollars. Well, people in the United States just don't watch the sport and those greedy bastards should settle for 2 million a year. Many people think there won't be hockey until next Christmas, by that time the lesser known players will be strait outta cash and the 40 superstars will be left to retire or stay in Europe making 50 thousand a year.

Many will come back to the fabulous game of hockey but some will retire in a nice home on the beach. They will realize that there dump of a place in europe with no TV doesn't stack up against the surround sound home theatre system they once had in New York City. Go down any street in Boston and ask, "How are the Bruins doing right now?" You will probally get the answer, Ummm, yeah they prolly in the playoffs." For the most part Americans don't give a damn, some even complain they can't see the puck. In my opinion they need to take a hint from the NFL and get on this salary cap bandwagon. I know a couple of the lower end hockey players and they were making 600 thousand a year, and without hesitation they bought themselves a nice house along with a nice car. Well now they can't afford to live for the next month.

#4 Feb 15 2005 at 3:35 PM Rating: Decent
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Its hilarious how you people complain about the salaries of Hockey players but dont care about the NBA players that drive a Rols Royce and then tell the NBA Commissioner that they have kids to feed. Its pathetic how all athletes are paid, all athletes are way over paid babies. There should a cap for all players and then they should have to work their *** off through advertisements and endorsements to make money. Say a flat 50k per year salary would be nice, maybe drop ticket prices below $40 a person (for the crappy seats.)


Edited, Tue Feb 15 15:35:19 2005 by Kronig
#6 Feb 15 2005 at 4:19 PM Rating: Decent
I cant find a logical explanation for anyone playing any game for a living to make more than 10mil a year.. Maybe they should all get a visit from the Armed Services and talk about their hardships.

Reality check, do you need one?

I think we all know they'll pull the same bullshi[/u]t that Major League Baseball did when it had PR problems... Performance enhancing drugs do wonders for making fickle grunts have short memories. Maybe Hockey will have its own version of the Sosa/McGuire homerun derby.

Edited, Tue Feb 15 16:24:21 2005 by Lefein
#7 Feb 15 2005 at 5:37 PM Rating: Decent
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There should a cap for all players and then they should have to work their *** off through advertisements and endorsements to make money. Say a flat 50k per year salary would be nice, maybe drop ticket prices below $40 a person (for the crappy seats.)


There was once a magical place just like the one you describe. It was called the Soviet Army, but alas, it was just one piece of an overwhelmingly inefficient economic anochronism, and it went bye-bye.

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I cant find a logical explanation for anyone playing any game for a living to make more than 10mil a year..


Because someone will pay them that much. And that someone will in turn foist the cost of paying that player off on the fans of that sport. And the fans will happily pay it.

There's a very simple way to make a statement about being unwilling to contribute to the high salaries these atheletes get.

Don't go to the games.
Don't watch the games on TV.
Don't listen to them on the radio.
Don't buy any team paraphernalia or memorabilia.
Don't go buy the superstars autographs.
Don't buy the products or services advertised on the broadcasts or at the stadium.

Do you know what effect this all will have?


None! That's right none! Because for every individual pissed off about having to pay $40 to see a game, there is an army of people willing to pay $140 to see the same game.

Whine and cry all you want, its not likely to make a difference. The atheletes will earn, and mind you are completely free to earn, whatever the market will bear. The owners in turn are freee to try to get people to play for less. Of course, if they ALL agree that they won't pay anyone more than a particular amount, then they'll be guilty of collusion.

If you ever become so good at what you do that you can charge $10 million per year to do it, would you honestly tell me that you would just take $50k instead? I'm sure all of your descendants will curse you for the rest of their miserable lives when they find out that you voluntarily gave up $9,950,000.00 a year merely as an act of misguided nobility.

When both sides of the NHL figure out that neither of them is making any money you will see them begin to negotiate a little more seriously. Until then why not try playing hockey instead of watching it?

#8 Feb 15 2005 at 10:17 PM Rating: Good
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There's a little more to it then that though. Salary caps generally are not in place to protect the fans from high priced tickets. They are there to protect the teams from eachother. The idea is to have a cap so that no team can simply hire all the best players by offering them the best salary. Other sports have instituted them because they rapidly figured out that some of the owners of teams are wealthier then others and can afford to put much more money into their teams.

The problem is that you can't just arbitrarily set a cap. The cap needs to have some relation to what players are making now, and continually adjust to what the players can demand in a free market. The issue with the salary cap in the NHL from the players perspective is that hocky players historically have been extremely low paid in relation to other professional sports. Admittedly, alot of this has been due to it being behind those other sports in popularity. But as the OP stated, this occured right as the game was gaining popularity and was poised to push into the "big leagues" of American sports. To the players, this meant that in a few more years, they could expect to recieve dramatically higher salaries as the revenue from increased advertisement and viewership grew. They saw the salary cap as a way for the owners to rake in all that money without having to pay more for the players.

In fairness, the cap issue should have come up *after* the sport gained in popularity to the point where it was needed, not before. By trying to instituted one beforehand, it was very obviously planned to give the owners an unfair amount of the profits from the sport.

It's a mess anyway you look at it. What they should do is leave the caps off the table for now, or come up with a system that will automatically grow with the revenue of the sport. Wait until the sport grows and "needs" a cap first, then institute one. Doing so beforehand just looks bad.
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#9 Feb 15 2005 at 10:23 PM Rating: Decent


Living in Canada there is coverage 24/7. Some of you may have heard but if you haven't, the owners are proposing a 56 million dollar salary cap per team. That's 12.5 million lower than what the players have agreed to as a salary cap. Or correct me if I am wrong and it is vica versa but with owners going in on 42 mininmum. Never the less, the press conferance is set for tommorrow to call off the season. This is the last deal on the table.

Anyone think they will bite?
#10 Feb 15 2005 at 11:28 PM Rating: Good
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Living in Canada there is coverage 24/7. Some of you may have heard but if you haven't, the owners are proposing a 56 million dollar salary cap per team. That's 12.5 million lower than what the players have agreed to as a salary cap. Or correct me if I am wrong and it is vica versa but with owners going in on 42 mininmum. Never the less, the press conferance is set for tommorrow to call off the season. This is the last deal on the table.

Anyone think they will bite?


$56 million? I think you're off, Goose.

Here's the overview of what has happened in this one to two days alone ...

  • The NHLPA finally agrees to a salary cap. They start off by agreeing to a $52 million cap per team.
  • The NHL rejects the offer, saying this is too high. They counter-offer with a $42.5 million cap.
  • The NHLPA rejects that offer, and in turn offers a $49 million cap.
  • As of less than a half hour ago, the league rejected this offer, saying that the $42.5 million cap offer was their "final offer", and that the time for negotiations was over. No other counter-offers have been made at this time.
  • #11 Feb 15 2005 at 11:44 PM Rating: Decent
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    LtGoose wrote:


    Living in Canada there is coverage 24/7. Some of you may have heard but if you haven't, the owners are proposing a 56 million dollar salary cap per team. That's 12.5 million lower than what the players have agreed to as a salary cap. Or correct me if I am wrong and it is vica versa but with owners going in on 42 mininmum. Never the less, the press conferance is set for tommorrow to call off the season. This is the last deal on the table.

    Anyone think they will bite?


    $56 million? I think you're off, Goose.

    Here's the overview of what has happened in this one to two days alone ...

  • The NHLPA finally agrees to a salary cap. They start off by agreeing to a $52 million cap per team.
  • The NHL rejects the offer, saying this is too high. They counter-offer with a $42.5 million cap.
  • The NHLPA rejects that offer, and in turn offers a $49 million cap.
  • As of less than a half hour ago, the league rejected this offer, saying that the $42.5 million cap offer was their "final offer", and that the time for negotiations was over. No other counter-offers have been made at this time.


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    #12 Feb 16 2005 at 12:44 AM Rating: Decent
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    They're cancelling hockey?

    Sorry, I don't give a fu[/u]ck about the sport, I just heard about something bad happening to Hockey today.
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    #13 Feb 16 2005 at 1:24 AM Rating: Default
    Oh yeah, like a week ago I realized there wasn't any hocky on the Moving Picture Box :boggle: Like I give a damn. They need to resize the puck to about 23' wide, it's too ******* hard to see on the Moving Picutre Box without special X-ray goggles. Onwe thiing I do like about the NHL is the All-star game where THeo Fleury goes shooting aroudn the rink to get the fastest skater junk. And then Al MacInnis crushes puck for 664 damage, and Marty McSorley goes liek "WTF YOU F[b][/b]UCKER" and weeps madly in his prodigious briefs. Then the people play the ALl-star game and score 23 goals on Pierre Turgeon as he screams to his God to not let him fail. HEHEHEHEHEHHEHEHEHEHE that's some funny stuff right there.

    And whatever happened to that chick goalie in Double AA hockey INHL leauge thingie? Did she ever make it to The Show? I hope so, I would like to see a woman break the NHL barrier, a black woman goalie would be even more supersweeeet.

    Ha-HA! NHL leauge busted, no more fantasy hijinks for all you geeks. Oh no! Marek Zidlicky will not earn me +200,000 salary this year!! Oh where have you gone, David Azieber, Jesus loves you more than you will no, uh uh uh NO. LOL.
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