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Whoa, wait, when did people start liking the libertarian view? I always thought the majority of this board was on mid/far left when it came to politics?
Well I am pleasantly surprised! My question is, how libertarian are you? Are you for/against:
1) Pro Choice
2) Gun control
3) Drug legalization
4) Government regulation of private business
5) Civil unions for everyone
6) War in Iraq
Feel free to make any answers to this in essay form if need be. I am very interested to see the responses to this.
Edited, Fri Feb 11 12:37:23 2005 by Esdim, changed abortion to pro choice.
Edited, Fri Feb 11 12:38:13 2005 by Esdim
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The Compass Seems to place most of this board in the Libertarian Left mindset.
Short answers:
1) against
2) against
3) against
4) for
5) for
6) against
Short answers:
1) against
2) against
3) against
4) for
5) for
6) against
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1. For
2. Against
3. For
4. Against
5. For
6. For
2. Against
3. For
4. Against
5. For
6. For
1. for
2. against, gotta keep my Glock nice n shiny :P
3. agianst
4. for
5. for
6. against
2. against, gotta keep my Glock nice n shiny :P
3. agianst
4. for
5. for
6. against
1. For
2. Against
3. For
4. For
5. For
6. Against
2. Against
3. For
4. For
5. For
6. Against
1) Abortion - Pro-choice
2) Gun control - Against
3) Drug legalization - Pro-Decriminalization of most drugs
4) Government regulation of private business - Depends
5) Civil unions for everyone - For, but against tax breaks based on civil unions OR marriage
6) War in Iraq - Against, but acknowledge that we need to finish it now that we're there
Regarding gov. regulation of private business, my knee jerk reaction was "against" but then I thought, well, commerce does need to be monitored. So I'd have to ask what regulations you mean.
2) Gun control - Against
3) Drug legalization - Pro-Decriminalization of most drugs
4) Government regulation of private business - Depends
5) Civil unions for everyone - For, but against tax breaks based on civil unions OR marriage
6) War in Iraq - Against, but acknowledge that we need to finish it now that we're there
Regarding gov. regulation of private business, my knee jerk reaction was "against" but then I thought, well, commerce does need to be monitored. So I'd have to ask what regulations you mean.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Yeah #4 there is kind of general. While most libertarians are against government involvement, I agree that there should be some (and I am pretty far out there as libertarians go). So use your imagination when answering that.
Samirax you pretty much fit the mold of libertarian poster child with your views though.
And so many others with similar views, man I had this board all wrong.
Samirax you pretty much fit the mold of libertarian poster child with your views though.
And so many others with similar views, man I had this board all wrong.
1) For - what I'm against are back-alley illegal abortions which can kill the mother as well.
2) Undecided. Essay to follow.
3) For. Think of the taxes to be made!
4) Undecided. Limited regulation > no regulation > excessive regulation.
5) For. If a man can marry a woman, I should be able to as well.
6) Against. If as a politician you have to lie to get the people to support your actions, maybe you shouldn't be doing those things.
Okay, gun control: Our current methods of registering gun owners are sorely ineffective. You can easily have one person buy a gun and have that gun loaned out to or stolen by someone who doesn't qualify for gun ownership. Career criminals will inevitably end up with guns not registered to them, so that they aren't implicated in crimes by their gun registration.
A better solution in my opinion, would be to register the guns only, and not the owners, by means of those little RF devices, or whatever Walmart was going to use in place of the barcode. This would of course be put in at the factory, before anyone had a chance to buy or steal the gun. The police would be able to carry devices that would allow them to detect whether someone within a small radius was carrying a weapon, or in rarer cases track down a murder weapon over larger areas with more powerful detection devices. The problem with this is that existing guns would have to be fitted with these devices as well. Law-abiding citizens would bring their guns in for registration, but criminals would continue using their older unmarked models. Over many years the old guns would break, or gun manufacturers might change their new bullets to be incompatible, but no immediate solution would be feasible.
2) Undecided. Essay to follow.
3) For. Think of the taxes to be made!
4) Undecided. Limited regulation > no regulation > excessive regulation.
5) For. If a man can marry a woman, I should be able to as well.
6) Against. If as a politician you have to lie to get the people to support your actions, maybe you shouldn't be doing those things.
Okay, gun control: Our current methods of registering gun owners are sorely ineffective. You can easily have one person buy a gun and have that gun loaned out to or stolen by someone who doesn't qualify for gun ownership. Career criminals will inevitably end up with guns not registered to them, so that they aren't implicated in crimes by their gun registration.
A better solution in my opinion, would be to register the guns only, and not the owners, by means of those little RF devices, or whatever Walmart was going to use in place of the barcode. This would of course be put in at the factory, before anyone had a chance to buy or steal the gun. The police would be able to carry devices that would allow them to detect whether someone within a small radius was carrying a weapon, or in rarer cases track down a murder weapon over larger areas with more powerful detection devices. The problem with this is that existing guns would have to be fitted with these devices as well. Law-abiding citizens would bring their guns in for registration, but criminals would continue using their older unmarked models. Over many years the old guns would break, or gun manufacturers might change their new bullets to be incompatible, but no immediate solution would be feasible.
1) For, I suppose. Pro-choice.
2) For
3) Against
4) For, to a certain degree.
5) Marriage for everyone
6) Against, although kind of a moot point now. Against aggression in Iran.
2) For
3) Against
4) For, to a certain degree.
5) Marriage for everyone
6) Against, although kind of a moot point now. Against aggression in Iran.
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5) Civil unions for everyone - For, but against tax breaks based on civil unions OR marriage
You don't feel tax breaks are neccessary for families, Or just married couples without children?
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I think tax breaks in general are completely, totally overused. I would love to see the tax laws scaled back and simplified.
So, yeah, I'd drop all tax rewards for hooking up and reproducing.
So, yeah, I'd drop all tax rewards for hooking up and reproducing.
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Esdim wrote:
1) Pro Choice
2) Gun control
3) Drug legalization
4) Government regulation of private business
5) Civil unions for everyone
6) War in Iraq
These are topics that are not black and white in my opinion. I think realisticly there should be a base law and then then each and every single individual case should be taken for what they are.
My politics, Yes you can call me a right wing wacko, or a middle of the road conservitive, I dont' care.
1)Pro Choice. Yes. This is all part of the Freedom to pursue liberty. What a woman choses to do with her body, including abortion, is her business, and sticking your nose in it makes you a "I know what's best for you because I say so!" control freak.
2)Gun control. No. Gun control means using both hands. 17 years I've carried a 9MM and a .25 Cal backup, only had to shoot one person, and that was on duty. ( Shot a bank robbing punk who didn't realize that the bank had a gaurd.)
3)Drug Legalization. Yes, to a point. Legalize Marijuana all the way, and tax it. But, contrariwise, make commiting a crime under the influance of such drugs as PCP, Cocaine, or Crack, an instant Death Penalty offense.
4)Government regulation of Private Business. Yes, but again , to a point. Spend about 5 years devising a plan that protects investors and employees while allowing the business to make a profit while not indangering the enviroment or consumers.
5)Civil Unions for everyone. I assume here you are referring to marriage of gays. Sure. Let them get married. This is another one of those areas that the government needs to get it nose out of private lives. If they want to aqquire all of the headaches that go with marriage, let them.
6)War in Iraq. Yes, but, without U.N. involment in any way. SInce the U.N. delayed us for 6 months, allowing Saddam to move his WMD into first Syria, and then secrete them in Lebonon. Oops, maybe I shouldn't mention that, since my sources on that are classified.
Let's add one you forgot. Censorship.
Censorship. NO. Teach the right wing religious psycho nutbags that there are 2 buttons on a standard TV, one changes the channel, the other turns it OFF. ( Oh, you would have to add teaching them how to teach thier children that there are some shows they can, and some they connot, watch. I have 4 kids, from 15 to 3, and they all know which types of shows they are allowed to view. Oops again, I know how to instill descipline in my kids without beating them senseless, and without using the whole Dr. Spock hands-off and raise a punk approach.)
There is no political party I fully agree with, but I tend to vote Republican, since the Libertarians have no chance, and the Dumocrats ahve thier crainiums so far up thier Rectums that the last time they saw reality was in the late 1940s.
1)Pro Choice. Yes. This is all part of the Freedom to pursue liberty. What a woman choses to do with her body, including abortion, is her business, and sticking your nose in it makes you a "I know what's best for you because I say so!" control freak.
2)Gun control. No. Gun control means using both hands. 17 years I've carried a 9MM and a .25 Cal backup, only had to shoot one person, and that was on duty. ( Shot a bank robbing punk who didn't realize that the bank had a gaurd.)
3)Drug Legalization. Yes, to a point. Legalize Marijuana all the way, and tax it. But, contrariwise, make commiting a crime under the influance of such drugs as PCP, Cocaine, or Crack, an instant Death Penalty offense.
4)Government regulation of Private Business. Yes, but again , to a point. Spend about 5 years devising a plan that protects investors and employees while allowing the business to make a profit while not indangering the enviroment or consumers.
5)Civil Unions for everyone. I assume here you are referring to marriage of gays. Sure. Let them get married. This is another one of those areas that the government needs to get it nose out of private lives. If they want to aqquire all of the headaches that go with marriage, let them.
6)War in Iraq. Yes, but, without U.N. involment in any way. SInce the U.N. delayed us for 6 months, allowing Saddam to move his WMD into first Syria, and then secrete them in Lebonon. Oops, maybe I shouldn't mention that, since my sources on that are classified.
Let's add one you forgot. Censorship.
Censorship. NO. Teach the right wing religious psycho nutbags that there are 2 buttons on a standard TV, one changes the channel, the other turns it OFF. ( Oh, you would have to add teaching them how to teach thier children that there are some shows they can, and some they connot, watch. I have 4 kids, from 15 to 3, and they all know which types of shows they are allowed to view. Oops again, I know how to instill descipline in my kids without beating them senseless, and without using the whole Dr. Spock hands-off and raise a punk approach.)
There is no political party I fully agree with, but I tend to vote Republican, since the Libertarians have no chance, and the Dumocrats ahve thier crainiums so far up thier Rectums that the last time they saw reality was in the late 1940s.
If taxes were scaled back to encompass a much much smaller percentage of income I could understand that. Say 15% total (federal,state,sales,property, etc)
Although as it stands now eliminating tax breaks for people with children would force more families to move away from a one parent working, one parent raising the chlidren structure to a dual income, dump the kids off at a daycare 9 hours a day and let someone else raise them structure.
Do you feel that children and society as a whole are better served being raised in a daycare than in the home?
Although as it stands now eliminating tax breaks for people with children would force more families to move away from a one parent working, one parent raising the chlidren structure to a dual income, dump the kids off at a daycare 9 hours a day and let someone else raise them structure.
Do you feel that children and society as a whole are better served being raised in a daycare than in the home?
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1) For, I suppose. Pro-choice.
2) For
3) Against
4) For, to a certain degree.
5) Marriage for everyone
6) Against, although kind of a moot point now. Against aggression in Iran.
2) For
3) Against
4) For, to a certain degree.
5) Marriage for everyone
6) Against, although kind of a moot point now. Against aggression in Iran.
#6.
No matter what anyone wants, war in Iran is currently impossible, and will be for at least another 2 years. All of our best weapons ( Bunker busters, Cruise missiles, Apache heliocopters, Stealth aircraft) are either, 1) completely expended ( bombs, missiles) or in such bad shape form fighting in the dessert taht they are unusable in another war ( apaches, stealth aircraft). If another war occurs within the next year, the U.S. wil have no choice but to go Nuclear. And, even as unbalanced as Bush sometimes seems, he's not that stupid.
Qualifier: Hmm, North Korea has annouced that it HAS Nuclear arms, and has DEMANDED talks with Bush. Anyone else remember the 80s and the constant fear of Nuclear War? ( I should mention here, I'm 35, and fully remember the 80s,( and some of the 70s) and how much people walked around wondering if those nutbag Ruskis would push the button.)
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If taxes were scaled back to encompass a much much smaller percentage of income I could understand that. Say 15% total (federal,state,sales,property, etc)
It has long been proved that a flat tax of 10%, with 0, that's none, no zero zilch, exemptions, would balance the federal budget within 2 years, and get rid of the deficit within 5.
To be perfectly honest, I think that society would be better off if people didn't have children they can't afford.
The real problem is that we've gotten away from traditional support systems - the nuclear family is god, now; but the nuclear family often can't do the whole job. Too bad, too; there are millions of grandparents, aunts and uncles who would love to spend time with the kids. OH WELL.
The real problem is that we've gotten away from traditional support systems - the nuclear family is god, now; but the nuclear family often can't do the whole job. Too bad, too; there are millions of grandparents, aunts and uncles who would love to spend time with the kids. OH WELL.
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To be perfectly honest, I think that society would be better off if people didn't have children they can't afford.
Only the rich should have children? The richer you are the more children you get? Wouldn't that just perpetually establish a class system? If only the rich had children who would flip burgers? Or mow lawns? Or clean toilettes?
With todays tax system, but no exemptions, everyone taxed as if they were single with no dependents I would think it would be very difficult for any one who makes under $75,000 to support a family of 3.
Traditionally, at least in cultures that I am familar with, only one parent worked outside the home. Only recently has the dual income family model become the norm.
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Even so, running a house/farm is a full time job in and of itself. Someone else was probably close by to help with child care where needed.
You don't have to be rich to afford kids. You just can't live as though you were. If that tax break is the difference between making it or not making it, they yes, I'd say you had too many kids too soon.
Basically what I'm saying is, live within your means, be prepared to make necessary sacrifices to afford the things that are important to you, learn to prioritize what those things are and take responsibility for the decisions you make.
And don't expect handouts from me in the form of taxes or welfare.
You don't have to be rich to afford kids. You just can't live as though you were. If that tax break is the difference between making it or not making it, they yes, I'd say you had too many kids too soon.
Basically what I'm saying is, live within your means, be prepared to make necessary sacrifices to afford the things that are important to you, learn to prioritize what those things are and take responsibility for the decisions you make.
And don't expect handouts from me in the form of taxes or welfare.
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1)For
2)Against
3)For
4)For
5)For
6)Against
hmm, i wonder where that places me.
2)Against
3)For
4)For
5)For
6)Against
hmm, i wonder where that places me.
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Only the rich should have children? The richer you are the more children you get?
Call me biased, but in my observations, this works in quite the opposite way. Poor families have more kids on average than well-educated and/or rich families. Whether because culturally they're enamoured with the idea of a bunch of little ones running around or because they know they should stop having kids but are too stupid to take action, you're so much more likely to see the poor immigrant family with ten kids in a three bedroom apartment than you are to see ten kids with a white millionaire for a daddy living in a mansion. In the case of the really rich guy, daddy already did the parenting thing after one or two kids, and would rather spend his time on his yacht than setting the 18-year prison timer back to day one.
I think it stems partially from the fact that families used to make a living by putting their children to work on the farm with them, or sending them during their early teens to make a living in the factories and bring money home for the family. With mandatory full-time schooling through the age of 18, and the loss of agriculture as a primary means of subsistence for most families, about the only way that having many children is not a gaping money pit nowadays is if you own a Chinese restaurant. It generally takes a couple of generations for tradition to catch up with reality, so as long as we're educating kids about birth control, I think the average size of families in America will drop a little over the next few decades.
You can say i'm stupid, but I am against gun control for one major reason. Quite simply, its not going to stop gun problems. Hell, I'm even against gun registration.
Why? Simple, look at what happened in Russia, Kosovo, and just about every other country that had mandatory weapons registration. The country ended up falling into a revolution, or civil war. When that happened, weapons registration forms were the first thing used to track down people who were a "potential threat." Then, knock knock at your door. You open it, and get shot.
That's why I'm against weapons registration. It basically goes against what the second amendment was made for. In the case of enemy soldiers invading, we're supposed to be able to defend ourselves. However, defending yourself is pretty damn hard when you have a squad of soldiers outside your door.
Why? Simple, look at what happened in Russia, Kosovo, and just about every other country that had mandatory weapons registration. The country ended up falling into a revolution, or civil war. When that happened, weapons registration forms were the first thing used to track down people who were a "potential threat." Then, knock knock at your door. You open it, and get shot.
That's why I'm against weapons registration. It basically goes against what the second amendment was made for. In the case of enemy soldiers invading, we're supposed to be able to defend ourselves. However, defending yourself is pretty damn hard when you have a squad of soldiers outside your door.
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You can say i'm stupid, but I am against gun control for one major reason. Quite simply, its not going to stop gun problems. Hell, I'm even against gun registration.
Why? Simple, look at what happened in Russia, Kosovo, and just about every other country that had mandatory weapons registration. The country ended up falling into a revolution, or civil war. When that happened, weapons registration forms were the first thing used to track down people who were a "potential threat." Then, knock knock at your door. You open it, and get shot.
Why? Simple, look at what happened in Russia, Kosovo, and just about every other country that had mandatory weapons registration. The country ended up falling into a revolution, or civil war. When that happened, weapons registration forms were the first thing used to track down people who were a "potential threat." Then, knock knock at your door. You open it, and get shot.
The only country I'm aware of where Gun Control works, is the U.K. But, the totalitarian approach they have taken doesn't even allow thier police forces to carry projectile weapons. Of course, it helps that they've had thier gun control laws in place for several decades.
What about Canada? According to MM everybody's armed but they're all so friendly you can just walk into a random house and sit down to some tea.
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we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
I guess I should answer these since I got so many replies
1) Pro Choice - For, I personally would never get an abortion, but I would also never tell someone else that they cannot. People should be able to have control over there own body.
2) Gun control - Big time against. Well for me Gun control = taking away your right to protect yourself and your friends/family. It's really just that simple to me.
3) Drug legalization - For. I wouldn't use drugs, but again, I would leave the decision to use them up to other people. You want to drink that can of bleach, be my guest.
4) Government regulation of private business - Situational, I probably shouldn't have asked this, too vague.
5) Civil unions for everyone - For. Church and State need to stay away from each other. I don't want religious marriages to have anything to do with how the state views you. Now if your church won't let you marry your lover, take it up with them.
6) War in Iraq - Shouldn't have gone it, but now that were there let's wrap it up and get out.
7) Censorship (added by Abombination) - against this as well. You don't want yourself/family listening/watching something, turn it off. All the FCC crap these days fining radio show hosts for swearing and such is just bull. If parents don't want kids to hear it, turn off the radio. Still don't like it, write their sponsors. The government should have nothing to do with it.
1) Pro Choice - For, I personally would never get an abortion, but I would also never tell someone else that they cannot. People should be able to have control over there own body.
2) Gun control - Big time against. Well for me Gun control = taking away your right to protect yourself and your friends/family. It's really just that simple to me.
3) Drug legalization - For. I wouldn't use drugs, but again, I would leave the decision to use them up to other people. You want to drink that can of bleach, be my guest.
4) Government regulation of private business - Situational, I probably shouldn't have asked this, too vague.
5) Civil unions for everyone - For. Church and State need to stay away from each other. I don't want religious marriages to have anything to do with how the state views you. Now if your church won't let you marry your lover, take it up with them.
6) War in Iraq - Shouldn't have gone it, but now that were there let's wrap it up and get out.
7) Censorship (added by Abombination) - against this as well. You don't want yourself/family listening/watching something, turn it off. All the FCC crap these days fining radio show hosts for swearing and such is just bull. If parents don't want kids to hear it, turn off the radio. Still don't like it, write their sponsors. The government should have nothing to do with it.
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