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#1 Feb 08 2005 at 1:07 PM Rating: Good
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I got into a serious discussion with my husband about what constitutes cheating. He is in the Navy and will be deployed later this year. Of course, if I had sexual relations with another man is definitely cheating, but my hubby through me a curve ball. He wouldn't consider that I cheated on him if I had sexual relations with another woman. Now, I don't swing both ways, and would only swing Angelina Jolie's way if I had to bed another lady. But why wouldn't he consider me being with another woman as cheating?

I went to a bachelorette party a while ago and there were a bunch of strippers (male). Of course I got my lap dances and such, but when the strippers started inviting the ladies (and some were married) to join in on some dancing, nipples appeared and bodily fluids were exchanged. That was where I drew the line and left.

I know that there's no hard and fast rule for cheating, but just wanted to get the ball rolling on a discussion. =) What would you, personally, consider cheating and could you forgive your S.O. if he/she cheated?
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If you can't mention it casually over dinner, it's probably cheating. This goes for casual flings, kisses at the office party, 'open' relationships, bi-curiousity, h4wt cyb0rz, whatever. If you don't feel comfortable telling your SO about it, you probably shouldn't be doing it.
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#3 Feb 08 2005 at 1:17 PM Rating: Good
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Because to his immature mind he is not considering all the ramifications, chick on chick action is just hot as far as he can squint while rubbing one off. If you went that rout, the second he found out you have a emotional attachment to the other woman and are not interested in a 3 way with him he will get completely bent out of shape, call you a **** and pout like a little kid who had his fantasies crushed by his mean ol' wife.

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Definition: Any sexual relations, including kissing, with any other person, male or female, for pleasure or from lust (same thing).

I would consider my wife having relations with another woman cheating. I would not have a problem with my wife having relations with another woman with me there.

It is a wierd deal with me. I find relations between two men disgusting (my personal feelings) but relations between 2 women sensual.


Don't know why there is a difference to me but there definitely is a difference.
#5 Feb 08 2005 at 1:18 PM Rating: Decent
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no time now, but here's somthing to add....

can your partner cheat on you....with themselves??

in other words, where should you draw the line on ************* think about it... if you were sitting there.... and your partner goes and starts rubbing one out.. just curious on this... was talking about it with somone earlier...


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#6 Feb 08 2005 at 1:19 PM Rating: Good
It's not cheating if you're in a different area code.
#7 Feb 08 2005 at 1:20 PM Rating: Good
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Nice summation Jopiel.

I have a pretty significant jealous streak in me so I might balk at some stuff other guys would shrug off. I wouldn't feel comfortable with my wife getting lap dances at a bachelorette party, just as I'm sure she would feel the same way about me. As far as forgivness goes, I would like to think I could forgive and forget but I'm not so sure I would be able to do it if I actually had to.
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#8 Feb 08 2005 at 1:21 PM Rating: Good
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I think that Joph's is a pretty safe rule to go by. I'd also add that if you find yourself consistently fantasizing about other people over your S.O., it's probably time to jump ship before you cross into action.

Trust is very fragile. I could forgive but not forget, and the relationship would likely end at that point for me.
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Kelvyquayo the Hand wrote:
in other words, where should you draw the line on ************* think about it... if you were sitting there.... and your partner goes and starts rubbing one out.. just curious on this... was talking about it with somone earlier...
Leaving aside the "Join in!" comments, it's certainly not cheating. It'd be more like seeing your SO sit on the couch in their underwear, biting their toenails -- do it if you must, but find a place besides the front room sofa.

If your SO prefers it over intimacy then it's a whole other set of issues.
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Kelvyquayo the Hand wrote:
in other words, where should you draw the line on ************* think about it... if you were sitting there.... and your partner goes and starts rubbing one out.. just curious on this... was talking about it with somone earlier...


I view it the same way as I would view a woman's vibrator. It's expedient and convenient at times, and not necessairly an indicator of trouble in the relationship, unless you start to notice that his hand is permanently clenched and he'd rather ********** than have actual sex.
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I view it the same way as I would view a woman's vibrator.
Curiousity and envy? Smiley: lol

Edited, Tue Feb 8 13:28:40 2005 by Jophiel
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To answer your question, Thumbelyne, why doesn't your husband think a girl on girl episode is cheating?

Because it's ******* awesome. Would you turn down a menage trois with two women?.. Well, you might, but no man can honestly say that he would.

If you're with another man your husband will see this as cheating because you're indicating that you a) doesn't love him enough to wait or b) doesn't find him capable of fulfilling your needs.

A girl on girl action is, in most men's eyes, a divine experience.

So, to shorten it a bit, you might say that men think it's okay for a woman to bang another woman because it's so gawd damn sexy, whilst banging another man is gawd damn disgusting.

It's all about our needs.. Yes, we are a bit selfish.
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#13 Feb 08 2005 at 1:31 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
Princess Atomicflea wrote:
I view it the same way as I would view a woman's vibrator.
Curiousity and envy? Smiley: lol

Not yooooou, Joph. Me.
I own my very own Fleagina, and the obvious accoutrements. No big whoop.
#14 Feb 08 2005 at 1:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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I think there's another aspect, which is that men don't consider lesbian sex to be a threat because it's not "real" sex. As someone pointed out, if you become emotionally involved with another woman, that's a different kettle of fish (so to speak).

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To answer your question, Thumbelyne, why doesn't your husband think a girl on girl episode is cheating?

Because it's @#%^ing awesome. Would you turn down a menage trois with two women?.. Well, you might, but no man can honestly say that he would.

If you're with another man your husband will see this as cheating because you're indicating that you a) doesn't love him enough to wait or b) doesn't find him capable of fulfilling your needs.

A girl on girl action is, in most men's eyes, a divine experience.

So, to shorten it a bit, you might say that men think it's okay for a woman to bang another woman because it's so gawd damn sexy, whilst banging another man is gawd damn disgusting.

It's all about our needs.. Yes, we are a bit selfish.



I think all men feel that way at 14, but when most enter into a longterm relationship such as marraige other factors enter into the equation as well. Emotional bonding possibly being the most significant. The girl on girl action might be "gawd damn sexy" but how sexy is it when you would like to take a vacation with your wife, or have a nice dinner and shes out with her sexy new girlfriend instead? Or you get to sleep on the couch because the other side of the bed is reserved fo the "sexy girlfriend"?

There's allot more to most successfull marraiges than the sex.
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I think there's another aspect, which is that men don't consider lesbian sex to be a threat because it's not "real" sex. As someone pointed out, if you become emotionally involved with another woman, that's a different kettle of fish (so to speak).



You could easily extend that theory to apply to hetero sex too, though. One could argue its not a real threat unless you become emotionally attached to the man behind the di[b][/b]ck.

I'm not convinced anyone can have sex with another person without being at least slightly attached. Unless you're falling down drunk, black out and don't remember anything.

Besides, cheating isn't just about sex, its about being disloyal to the person in your thoughts, words and deeds. Sure everyone has fantasies, but if you're whacking it to the same blond from starbucks everynight and not making love to your GF...



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Though I understand what you're saying, xythex, I have to disagree.

Marriage is all about emotional bonding and little, if anything, about sex. If you want sex, you stay single. I follow you there.

But we're not talking about a long term lesbian relationship, we're talking about a one night stand, or something like that. We're talking about *why* a lesbian act like that isn't considered cheating by Thumbelyna's husband. Not what you think about lesbian relationships or emotional bondings for that matter.

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Edited, Tue Feb 8 13:48:38 2005 by Mazra
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Wow, 9k posts and I don't recall ever seeing you post here. First time?

As to the original questions both on cheating and ************* I think Joph nailed them both.
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#19 Feb 08 2005 at 1:52 PM Rating: Good
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The Honorable KakarSmakar wrote:

Wow, 9k posts and I don't recall ever seeing you post here. First time?


No...I farmed in a cultist journal for a while, poked my head in here about six months ago, developed a serious dislike for Moe and then got a promotion and actually had work.

Edited, Tue Feb 8 13:53:11 2005 by sheebasaurusrex
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Mazra wrote:
But we're not talking about a long term lesbian relationship, we're talking about a one night stand, or something like that. We're talking about *why* a lesbian act like that isn't considered cheating by Thumbelyna's husband. Not what you think about lesbian relationships or emotional bondings for that matter.


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What would you, personally, consider cheating and could you forgive your S.O. if he/she cheated?

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#21 Feb 08 2005 at 1:56 PM Rating: Good
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Hey, it's sheeba! Hello, sheeba.

I agree with Joph's definition, for the most part... but with a twist. I think cheating is whatever your SO defines it as.

For example, so long as my husband comes home to me, loves me, dotes on me, etc., as he does now, I don't care if he's out banging the local Catholic school's girls' soccer team. I've been in long term open relationships and things like that don't bother me, aside from safety issues (but I do consider emotional attachments cheating).

However, if someone so much as had a familiar hand on my boob and I didn't move it, he would probably consider it cheating. His definitions (and moral lines) are far more strict than my own, but when we married, I agreed to live within those definitions.

Since this isn't something one can really compromise on... I'd have to say that cheating is whatever your SO thinks it is.
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Lord xythex wrote:
Mazra wrote:
But we're not talking about a long term lesbian relationship, we're talking about a one night stand, or something like that. We're talking about *why* a lesbian act like that isn't considered cheating by Thumbelyna's husband. Not what you think about lesbian relationships or emotional bondings for that matter.


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What would you, personally, consider cheating and could you forgive your S.O. if he/she cheated?



That's true, but you were replying to my post, not Thumbelyna's. And I was talking about why HER husband didn't mind...

From a horny male perspective of course.
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The Honorable KakarSmakar wrote:

Wow, 9k posts and I don't recall ever seeing you post here. First time?


No...I farmed in a cultist journal for a while, poked my head in here about six months ago, developed a serious dislike for Moe and then got a promotion and actually had work.

Edited, Tue Feb 8 13:53:11 2005 by sheebasaurusrex


SHEEBA!!

And to add my worthless thoughts, regardless of how comfortable people say they would be with it (3-way), its nothing but trouble. Ask Sheeba, our sex triangle was quite the debacle.



Edited, Tue Feb 8 14:07:11 2005 by Karg
#24 Feb 08 2005 at 2:04 PM Rating: Good
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I think Jophiel's definition is the best.

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In general, if you are striving to keep your marriage secure, it is best to avoid situations which can lead to infidelity. Even if only the others you are with are engaging in activities which are questionable and you are present, it can place you in a possibly compromising position.

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Karg the Vile wrote:
sheebasaurusrex wrote:
The Honorable KakarSmakar wrote:

Wow, 9k posts and I don't recall ever seeing you post here. First time?


No...I farmed in a cultist journal for a while, poked my head in here about six months ago, developed a serious dislike for Moe and then got a promotion and actually had work.

Edited, Tue Feb 8 13:53:11 2005 by sheebasaurusrex


SHEEBA!!

And to add my worthless thoughts, regardless of how comfortable people say they would be with it (3-way), its nothing but trouble. Ask Sheeba, our sex triangle was quite the debacle.



Edited, Tue Feb 8 14:07:11 2005 by Karg


That was a SECRET sex triangle Karg. Smiley: disappointed
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