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#27 Feb 04 2005 at 6:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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Again, too bad. You decided to take the job. "Plus tips" is a variable. If you choose to put your livelyhood in the hands of others, that's your choice. Don't expect me to support you.


Well then make sure you tell your server that you don't tip before they start serving you. Otherwise, they will be giving you their tiping service, as opposed to their non-tiping service. In a way you are stealing from them if they give you the good service, and then you don't pay for it.

Maybe they should have a section in every resteraunt for non-tippers. Then I could point and laugh at you.
#28 Feb 04 2005 at 6:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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Maybe they should have a section in every resteraunt for non-tippers. Then I could point and laugh at you.


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#29 Feb 04 2005 at 6:56 PM Rating: Default
also a little extra you might not know, is that the federal government taxes you on your sales. so if you dont leave a tip, you cost your server money, because he has to still pay taxes for your cheap fat *** to eat. so pony up the xtra couple of bucks or dont go out to a sit down resteraunt.
#30 Feb 04 2005 at 6:59 PM Rating: Decent
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"It's the Italians; they are always the cheapest ones."


come on, anyone else think that's funny????
#31 Feb 04 2005 at 7:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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Just an observation


Here in UK punters arerly tip. So:

Meals and drinks cost more to cover wages

Staff wages are higher

There's a myth that service is better in USA than UK

Service in **** bars etc is worse here, but on good restaurants and bars, I now rate UK service as equal to USA. Wasn't always that way, but now I'd argue the point.

Sure, we don't do 'free' top-ups on coffee and cold drinks. But in our reputable places the staff earn good money (My local 'regular' bar pays bar-staff £6 an hour (about $8:50 an hour) and the prices are indeed high.

But the bottom line I take is that I appreciate talent. A good waitress or barman deserves my respect and a decent income. It's a skilled job when done well. I don't sit on my **** and expect the world to make it way, so I tip.

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#32 Feb 04 2005 at 7:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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Service in sh*t bars etc is worse here, but on good restaurants and bars, I now rate UK service as equal to USA. Wasn't always that way, but now I'd argue the point


Mmmmm everytime I go to Houston with a Brit, all they talk about, the whole time is the portions and the service. I guess it depends on where in the UK, you are from. I imagine London would have better service, then say... liverpool, which is where I was, for the time that I was working over there.
#33 Feb 04 2005 at 7:15 PM Rating: Good
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I don't know about the UK, but I know tipping isn't a common practice in Australia, yet the service is fine. Of course, once you start tipping them it generally becomes great service.

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#34 Feb 04 2005 at 7:32 PM Rating: Good
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You wish. Go drink your 'Iced' tea bigshot.


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#35 Feb 04 2005 at 8:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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Again, too bad. You decided to take the job. "Plus tips" is a variable. If you choose to put your livelyhood in the hands of others, that's your choice. Don't expect me to support you.


Lol I hope you travel for a living, because I would try to avoid going to the same restaurant twice if I were you. Unless of course your into eating that sort of stuff...
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#36 Feb 04 2005 at 8:40 PM Rating: Default
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Well then make sure you tell your server that you don't tip before they start serving you. Otherwise, they will be giving you their tiping service, as opposed to their non-tiping service. In a way you are stealing from them if they give you the good service, and then you don't pay for it.


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And don't expect to get your drinks cold and your meals hot. You're paying for a service. It's like a salesman getting paid commission if he does a good job he gets good pay same should be for waiters and bartenders. Problem with the system is cheap asses like you.


I paid for the service when I paid for the meal. It's part of the deal that the establishment provides me with my meal, and their method of choice is with a server.

And the problem with the system is that the employer's don't pay their staff accordingly. I refuse to make-up the difference. I pay what I owe for the meal, drinks, etc.

And who pays that comission to a salesman? The client certainly doesn't. I agree if you are good at your job you should be paid more, but by your employer, not your clients.

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also a little extra you might not know, is that the federal government taxes you on your sales so if you dont leave a tip, you cost your server money, because he has to still pay taxes for your cheap fat *** to eat. so pony up the xtra couple of bucks or dont go out to a sit down resteraunt.


Not my problem. If they want me to pay tax, include it in the bill, and I'll be more than happy to pay it. Expecting me to leave a tip is ridiculous.
#38 Feb 04 2005 at 8:53 PM Rating: Default
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How well would you do on $2.13/hour?


I would get a better job.
#40 Feb 04 2005 at 8:59 PM Rating: Default
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Hehehe, well, when I was serving lunches (busiest time when I was serving,) I would walk out with over $100 in tips for four hours of work (average bill $7.49)


Sounds like you don't need my tip anyway.
#41 Feb 04 2005 at 9:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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engrsd, you DO realize that if people didn't tip, restaurants would be forced by the government to pay at least minimum wage to their wait staff?

And that would drive up the cost of your meals by $5 or so?

And that in a non-tipping industry, there would be nothing to prevent waiters from giving you shi[b][/b]tty service?

Oh that's right, you can't see beyond your own nose. Nevermind.


#42 Feb 04 2005 at 9:17 PM Rating: Default
I could care less about ****** or great service, as long as I get my food in some basic form that's all I care about. I don't tip by good/bad service because I can't tell the freaking difference. I order. The server brings something out. I eat. Wow, a lot of work there. Freshening up drinks on a timely basis is the only difference in service I've ever noticed, and I don't feel like paying much for that. Particularly since I tend to spend somewhat less than 5 hours at a restaurant and I'm not requiring constant IV liquids or whatever.

I tip from $2-4 depending on the price of the meal, but no more than that. I agree with Engrsd in that tipping shouldn't exist, but as long as it does I figure I might as well go with the flow. I'll be damned if I ever tip more than $4 though.
#43 Feb 04 2005 at 9:24 PM Rating: Default
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engrsd, you DO realize that if people didn't tip, restaurants would be forced by the government to pay at least minimum wage to their wait staff?

And that would drive up the cost of your meals by $5 or so?

And that in a non-tipping industry, there would be nothing to prevent waiters from giving you ****** service?


I'm fine with that.
#45 Feb 04 2005 at 9:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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engrsd wrote:
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engrsd, you DO realize that if people didn't tip, restaurants would be forced by the government to pay at least minimum wage to their wait staff?

And that would drive up the cost of your meals by $5 or so?

And that in a non-tipping industry, there would be nothing to prevent waiters from giving you ****** service?


I'm fine with that.

Good.

Now, the above hypothetcial situation NOT being reality, you are compelled to tip.

Get it?

#46 Feb 04 2005 at 9:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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engrsd, you DO realize that if people didn't tip, restaurants would be forced by the government to pay at least minimum wage to their wait staff?

And that would drive up the cost of your meals by $5 or so?

And that in a non-tipping industry, there would be nothing to prevent waiters from giving you sh*tty service?




I'm fine with that.


So you would prefer to pay a hidden tip, and get sh[b][/b]itty service, brilliant!!!!
#47 Feb 04 2005 at 9:37 PM Rating: Default
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The server brings something out. I eat. Wow, a lot of work there


You should try working in a restaurant for a week


Nah, I detest customer service jobs, I can't be nice to idiots on principle. Tried it and it doesn't work at all. Customer always right my ***.

I'm not saying serving is the easiest job in the world, they have to serve many different people. But I'm only one person from my perspective, and I frankly don't care if the food is there 1 minute after I order or twenty minutes after. I'm in no hurry, I just want to be fed at some point before I starve to death.

Besides, I do think they should earn a decent wage which is why I tip at least something. I'd much rather the restaurant pay them that money and raise the price of food to avoid these silly arguments.
#48 Feb 04 2005 at 9:43 PM Rating: Default
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So you would prefer to pay a hidden tip, and get sh[/b]itty service, brilliant!!!!


Why would restaurant servers suddenly provide sh[b]
itty service just because they're earning a decent salary? I don't get this. Bookstore clerks, garage mechanics, doctors, hookers--many provide excellent service without being tipped. (or would've provided terrible service whether tipped or not). Why is this one narrow industry so totally incumbent upon a financial arrangement of extra-salary stipend between customer and service-provider? Why would it alone fall apart if instead of tips the employers provided a decent wage?
#50 Feb 04 2005 at 9:56 PM Rating: Default
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Because they would get payed the same regardless of how they treat the customers


But the same is true of garage mechanics, all other retail salespeople, shoe salesmen, veterinarians, etc. etc. Every other job besides restaurant service seems to do just fine with it. What's so special about food? (Or rather "fine" food, we don't tip McDonald's window service-people...)
#51 Feb 04 2005 at 10:15 PM Rating: Default
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So you would prefer to pay a hidden tip, and get ****** service, brilliant!!!!


The tip is the hidden charge. At least with higher menu prices, I could see them for myself and decide if I want to buy or not.

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engrsd wrote:
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engrsd, you DO realize that if people didn't tip, restaurants would be forced by the government to pay at least minimum wage to their wait staff?

And that would drive up the cost of your meals by $5 or so?

And that in a non-tipping industry, there would be nothing to prevent waiters from giving you sh*tty service?
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I'm fine with that.
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Good.

Now, the above hypothetcial situation NOT being reality, you are compelled to tip.

Get it?


Oh I get why people try to guilt trip you into tipping. But just as it's your choice to tip, I choose not to.
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