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#1 Feb 04 2005 at 4:50 PM Rating: Good
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These are the waiters and waitresses who finally have had enough with patrons who show them no appreciation, especially when it comes to the tip. Across the internet, websites are proliferating dedicated to the rants of restaurant staff saying what they really feel about the people they serve. They do not like many patrons, it seems, especially if they moan, make a racket or, worst of all, give a small tip.


No more worrying about food being 'tampered' time to worry about your name being spread across the internet that you are a lousy tipper, some revenge. The power of the internet never fails to astound me.
#2 Feb 04 2005 at 4:59 PM Rating: Good
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That's hilarious....but....


Wasn't giving a tip optional anyway, unless the restaurant itself enforces it? It's kinda wrong, to some degree, IMO.
#3 Feb 04 2005 at 5:00 PM Rating: Good
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It's funny this topic should get posted today. A friend and I just had a conversation relating to this at lunch today. Is there a direct corellation between wait staff complaining about patrons not leaving tips and the quality of service? Me thinks there is.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a firm believer in tipping big, at least when the service is good. I'm one of those guilty of leaving a tip even if the waitress is good looking, but the service wasn't that great. Typically, I leave 20% as a rule. But lately, like in the last 2 years, I've noticed more and more that service from wait staff at restraunts is getting worse and worse. At first I thought maybe I was just getting bitter in my old age. This thought made me paranoid, as I always disliked the way the "older" people would ***** about service when I was younger. But a lot of my friends have been saying the same thing.

We thought at first maybe it's because this is a college town, Colorado State is just down the street. But personally, I don't buy it. I've seen everywhere. I think that there is simply a general lack of respect from the young people working in the service industry today.

By the way, our waitress while we were having this discussion was decent. She was a little slow getting over to take our drink order when we first got there, but otherwise she was competent and polite. I left her 25%.
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#4 Feb 04 2005 at 5:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Wasn't giving a tip optional anyway, unless the restaurant itself enforces it? It's kinda wrong, to some degree, IMO.


Im getting severe Resevoir Dogs flashbacks here.
#5 Feb 04 2005 at 5:03 PM Rating: Good
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Agreed. A tip should be as good as the tip...or as bad.

You can't sit there and rolls your eyes, sigh, and make me feel like a burden to you AND expect me to leave you a tip.

Gratuity is a gift, not a divine right.
#7 Feb 04 2005 at 5:08 PM Rating: Decent
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In the U.K I don't think it's customary to tip, it's more personal preference. Some places may place a service charge of like 10% on your bill but that itself is quite rare. Tipping seems to be a big issue in the states though.
#8 Feb 04 2005 at 5:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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I suspect this is where I differ from many Brits.

Tipping here is the exception, rather than the norm.

I have worked in bars and restaurants and know that it can be a thankless shi[/i]tty job, but a good waiter or barman (or a hot waitress) can really make a trip to a bar or restaurant so much better.

In UK I [i]usually
tip 5-10%; 15% for extremely good service. As a result, the waiter feels good (and perhaps a good one will stick around longer), I feel good, and at my next visit I'm usually treated very nicely thank you.

On mainland Europe I always tip 10%; 20% if the service is very good.

I know how it works in the states and the poor bastages behind the bar often depend on tips to pay their rent, so I always tip 20%; 25% if they are outstanding. It seems only fair.

So it seems OK by me to trash the "Mr Pinks".

On a side note, though, I do resent it that every time I go to a bar or restaurant in USA with a local for the first time, I get a lecture about tipping.
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#9 Feb 04 2005 at 5:09 PM Rating: Good
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I don't tip because society says I
gotta. I tip when somebody
deserves a tip. When somebody
really puts forth an effort, they
deserve a little something extra.
But this tipping automatically,
that sh[/i]it's for the birds. As far
as I'm concerned, they're just
doin their job.





[i]Edited, Fri Feb 4 17:12:47 2005 by KakarSmakar
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#10 Feb 04 2005 at 5:14 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't tip because society says I
gotta. I tip when somebody
deserves a tip. When somebody
really puts forth an effort, they
deserve a little something extra.
But this tipping automatically,
that ****'s for the birds. As far
as I'm concerned, they're just
doin their job


Mr. Pink, one of my all time favorite charecters
#11 Feb 04 2005 at 5:15 PM Rating: Good
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I tend to use 15% as a starting point and go from there. My one and only hard rule for judging is that my iced tea glass should never be empty, otherwise it is all about politeness, speed and not avoiding my table because I may ask you for something else.

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We thought at first maybe it's because this is a college town, Colorado State is just down the street. But personally, I don't buy it. I've seen everywhere. I think that there is simply a general lack of respect from the young people working in the service industry today.



In my opinion it may be no more than economics. 15 years ago you could afford to go to a four year college on your own with a minimum number of grants and loans. My ex did it going to UCLA with zero loans and only 2k in grants the first year. She worked to pay her way through the rest. Now only kids with rich parents can afford to send their kids to school unless the have a huge amount of grants/loans and perfect grades. This means your work force in a College town is going to consist of spoiled rich kids who never had to work 'til mommy and daddy told them no more open ended limit on their credit card for 'school expenses.'

Edit: Stoopid quote thingies

Edited, Fri Feb 4 17:20:04 2005 by GitSlayer
#13 Feb 04 2005 at 5:25 PM Rating: Good
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Iced tea? 15%?

******* elitist!


So I touched a nerve then, eh?

Goody!
#14 Feb 04 2005 at 5:43 PM Rating: Good
As a former waitress, tipping is a sore spot with me. Tipping is for good service, but don't expect "ritz" level service at Joe's. Service fits the resturant. It should always be attentive, polite, and timely. If you want one on one attention, and plan to monopolize a waitperson go to a 5 star establishment.
On the other hand, don't expect me to tip you extravagantly if my food is cold, my glass empty, or a long wait ensues before your first visit. Also don't ask me how my meal was if the service or food was bad, I will tell you! If I order off menu or special prep, expect an additional 10% to my service estimate.
Follow me out of the resturant for a tip, and expect to be charged with harrasssment if you physically restrain me.

My scale 0-10% for bad to fair service.
15% average service
20% good service
25-30% Excellent service.

Plus 10% for off menu or special prep orders.
#15 Feb 04 2005 at 5:45 PM Rating: Default
I don't feel like, as a customer, that I should have to pay your employee's wages directly by giving them cash. I feel it is 100% wrong to expect me to pay extra for services and goods I am already paying for through the menu cost. If you are not happy making $2.35 an hour, get a different job; don't expect the patrons to pay your way.
#16 Feb 04 2005 at 5:47 PM Rating: Good
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I don't feel like, as a customer, that I should have to pay your employee's wages directly by giving them cash. I feel it is 100% wrong to expect me to pay extra for services and goods I am already paying for through the menu cost. If you are not happy making $2.35 an hour, get a different job; don't expect the patrons to pay your way.


...and he wonders why he can't find a place any higher scale than Taco Bell he can call home.
#17 Feb 04 2005 at 5:50 PM Rating: Default
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...and he wonders why he can't find a place any higher scale than Taco Bell he can call home.


what do you have against taco bell?
#18 Feb 04 2005 at 5:58 PM Rating: Good
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My scale 0-10% for bad to fair service.
15% average service
20% good service
25-30% Excellent service.


I assume oral favors is nessesary for excellent service, otherwise, this is about the same as my practices.

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I don't feel like, as a customer, that I should have to pay your employee's wages directly by giving them cash. I feel it is 100% wrong to expect me to pay extra for services and goods I am already paying for through the menu cost. If you are not happy making $2.35 an hour, get a different job; don't expect the patrons to pay your way.


As[i][/i]shole! First off, tipping is customary in North America, move to the UK if you don't want to tip. Ask any Brit, you will get 10X the service in North America.

Maybe if YOU got a better job, YOU wouldn't mind tipping so much.
#19 Feb 04 2005 at 5:58 PM Rating: Good
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I worked in the business for about 13 years or so. I waited tables, tended bar, was a cocktail waitress and a hostess.

It is a hard job. If you've never done it, even for a day, you have no idea what it's like.

Yes, servers and bartenders depend on their tips. They make just over $2 an hour. A lot of people don't realize this.

But, having said that, I also don't think servers should get tipped if they give ****** service. At the same time, it's very easy to give ****** service if it's 8:30 on a Saturday night, your restaurant has been on an hour and half wait for about 2 hours, nothing is going right and you see no end in sight. I'm not trying to make excuses, but to the patrons: you are not that servers only table (usually).

Sometimes being in the bidness was fun. Hours are flexible, you can almost literally make as much or as little money as you want, and everyone goes out and gets drunk after their shifts at night. Smiley: grin But now, I'm very glad I'm out, and I hope I never have to do it again.

Although sometimes I do miss tending bar
#20 Feb 04 2005 at 6:12 PM Rating: Default
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*******! First off, tipping is customary in North America, move to the UK if you don't want to tip. Ask any Brit, you will get 10X the service in North America.

Maybe if YOU got a better job, YOU wouldn't mind tipping so much.


Meh, I have an excllent job, money isn't the issue. It's the principle that I have a problem with.

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It is a hard job. If you've never done it, even for a day, you have no idea what it's like.


I don't dispute that for a second. But when you took that job you agreed to get payed a very low wage. You only hoped to make up the difference in tips. It's not my job to pay an employer's employee's because he refuses to offer them a decent wage.
#21 Feb 04 2005 at 6:25 PM Rating: Good
alright, this is going to be a rant.

after being a server for 3 years and a bartender for 7, i can tell you that servers and bartenders have every right to *****. to the person that wants to be mr. pink, you are right, tipping is not mandatory, however think of this, servers only make minimum wage, and that is really only in california. in most other states, servers make, last time i checked, $2.15/hr. it barley covers the taxes you have to pay, you get a paycheck that says void on it. the server lives off the tips that the guests leave, so in retort to your statement of tipping is not mandatory, no it isnt, but it is someones lively hood.

now onto the annoying guest. little hints.

1.) Be Polite!! Why would you want to be rude to the last person that touches YOUR food before you get it. Think about it.

2.) Control your kids. This is not disney land, the staff and the other guests in the resteraunt dont want to hear your kids screaming or see them playing cowboys and indians through out the resteraunt. be a parent and take control.

3.) If the food/drink is not right, cold, not what you ordered, then by all means send it back, but dont eat/drink 99% of it and then send it back. Refer to #1

4.) Try to be understanding. if we have a 5 table station, with 4 people on each table, thats 20 people who all want something from you all at the same time. tell you what, you get 20 strangers together and tell them that for 1 hour you want them all to yell your name, ask you questions, and tell you to get them stuff. you see how you feel after that hour, then maybe you will understand.

5.) One word, Visine. two drops of visine in your drink will send you to the to the can with a very serious bout of the squirts.

6.) Dont go into a resteraunt 15 minutes before closing. Picture it like your boss comming to you 15 minutes before you leave, handing you an assignment that you know is gonna take you another hour to an hour and a half and telling you that it has to be done today befor you go. Use some common sense.

7.) No serving is not a very complicated job, more of a timing thing than anything, and yes i will admit, i have know my fair share of less than brilliant co-workers. But do think on this, no all of us are dumb, belittle us, be rude to us, leave us a crappy tip, we will remember you, and the nicest thing that could happen to you the next time you come in, is crappy service.

8.) Finally, think about when your at work, do you like it when people come and belittle you, and are rude to you while youre on the job. Then why would you do it to someone else?
#22 Feb 04 2005 at 6:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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But when you took that job you agreed to get payed a very low wage


Wrong, when you get hired as a waiter, they will tell you the wage is X dollars plus tips. Tipping is expected in North America. As a customer you should expect to tip, and as a server you can expect to be tipped.

If you do get bad service, don't leave a tip, I have no problems with that. But if you get average service you should definately leave 10-15%. If you don't, then you are cheap.

As the saying goes "There are no pockets in a shroud."
#23 Feb 04 2005 at 6:37 PM Rating: Good
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2.) Control your kids. This is not disney land, the staff and the other guests in the resteraunt dont want to hear your kids screaming or see them playing cowboys and indians through out the resteraunt. be a parent and take control.


I couldn't agree with this one more. Nothing is more annoying than someone's ankle biters running around raising hell while I'm eating and their parents act completely oblivious. Don't take your kids to a public dining facility until they've learned some semblance of manners.
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#24 Feb 04 2005 at 6:39 PM Rating: Decent
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Wrong, when you get hired as a waiter, they will tell you the wage is X dollars plus tips. Tipping is expected in North America. As a customer you should expect to tip, and as a server you can expect to be tipped.

If you do get bad service, don't leave a tip, I have no problems with that. But if you get average service you should definately leave 10-15%. If you don't, then you are cheap.

As the saying goes "There are no pockets in a shroud."


Again, too bad. You decided to take the job. "Plus tips" is a variable. If you choose to put your livelyhood in the hands of others, that's your choice. Don't expect me to support you.
#25 Feb 04 2005 at 6:46 PM Rating: Good
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It's not my job to pay an employer's employee's because he refuses to offer them a decent wage.
And don't expect to get your drinks cold and your meals hot. You're paying for a service. It's like a salesman getting paid commission if he does a good job he gets good pay same should be for waiters and bartenders. Problem with the system is cheap asses like you.
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