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#1 Feb 04 2005 at 6:13 AM Rating: Good
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Okay, first read this editorial by Derek Kieper for the Daily Nebraskan.

To save you from his poor writing and weak arguments (he goes to a football school, after all), I'll summarize for you:
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No law, or set of laws, has made the government more intrusive and ridiculous than seat belt legislation. Nothing is a bigger affront to the ideas of freedom, liberty, yada, yada, yada. Whether you are a pinko liberal or a right-wing whack job, there are plenty of reasons for just saying to hell with seat belt laws.
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If one is doing the math, that is more than $138 million spent on seat belt laws. But the kicker is this: It is estimated, by researchers for Congress, that only 6,100 lives are saved per year because of new seat belt wearers. Moreover, the increase in the percentage of those who wear seat belts has leveled off.

As laws become increasingly strict for seat belts, fewer people will respond positively by buckling up in response to the laws. There seems to be a die-hard group of non-wearers out there who simply do not wish to buckle up no matter what the government does. I belong to this group.




Got it? Now read the first 3 paragraphs of this news story.


#2 Feb 04 2005 at 6:24 AM Rating: Good
Isn't it ironic?
#3 Feb 04 2005 at 6:35 AM Rating: Good
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While his death is sad, I have to say I agree with his editorial as far as the government's involvement in personal freedoms.

Give me a f*cking break. It's a CRIME to not wear a seatbelt?

If people want to take that chance, so be it.

Natural selection, and what not.
#4 Feb 04 2005 at 6:44 AM Rating: Good
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Simply from a personal freedoms standpoint, it's a valid point.

But when he bemoans $138 million in government spending, and then shrugs off 6,100 saved lives as insignificant?

That's laughable.


"If one is doing the math, that is more than $138 million spent on seat belt laws. But the kicker is this: It is estimated, by researchers for Congress, that only 6,100 lives are saved per year because of new seat belt wearers."
#5 Feb 04 2005 at 6:57 AM Rating: Good
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Dalliance wrote:
While his death is sad, I have to say I agree with his editorial as far as the government's involvement in personal freedoms.

Give me a f*cking break. It's a CRIME to not wear a seatbelt?

If people want to take that chance, so be it.

Natural selection, and what not.


Ditto, ibid, and I agree.

The government says they care about saving lives. ********* It's just another way to get some money out of us. It's all about the almighty dollah.

But, you all already knew that.
#6 Feb 04 2005 at 7:45 AM Rating: Good
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Irony.

I wonder, had his driver gotten a ticket earlier that night, compelling him to tell his passengers to buckle up and it saved his life if he would have felt the same way the next morning?

Edited, Fri Feb 4 07:45:46 2005 by xythex
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#7 Feb 04 2005 at 9:12 AM Rating: Decent
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In Texas you dont have to wear a seatbelt unless you are the driver or front passenger, or under the age of 13 I think. Any back passengers are not required to buckle up.

So even if he had gotten pulled over they prob would of just gotten a verbal warning, but nothing more.
#8 Feb 04 2005 at 9:19 AM Rating: Good
The government is spending $22,622 per life. Obviously, a human life isn't worth THAT much. That'd be enough to feed a small African nation for three months. Deadboy had a point. =P
#9 Feb 04 2005 at 9:19 AM Rating: Decent
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Here in Mass, if you're pulled over and someone isn't wearing a seatbelt it's an automatic $25 fine to the person not wearing it.


Sad that he died, but yes, that is the perfect story of irony.
#10 Feb 04 2005 at 9:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well, okay, if y'all really don't want to wear seat belts, so be it. However, when you're in the hospital with spinal injuries arising from a car accident in which wearing a seat belt would have prevented you from being thrown out of the vehicle and permanently disabled, I reserve the right to NOT pay for your custodial care with my taxes after your insurance coverage runs out, okay? I'm sure that'll be fine with you, to fester in your own ***** while bedsores eat your flesh away, and what not.
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#11 Feb 04 2005 at 10:00 AM Rating: Decent
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Well, okay, if y'all really don't want to wear seat belts, so be it. However, when you're in the hospital with spinal injuries arising from a car accident in which wearing a seat belt would have prevented you from being thrown out of the vehicle and permanently disabled, I reserve the right to NOT pay for your custodial care with my taxes after your insurance coverage runs out, okay? I'm sure that'll be fine with you, to fester in your own ***** while bedsores eat your flesh away, and what not.


I would be perfectly fine with that Sami.

I dont think the point is that people dont think wearing seatbelts is a good idea but rather the Government mandating that you wear one is a direct infringement on freedom.

Outlawing cigarette's and alchol would do far more to save lives in this country but the Government isnt going to do that because far to many people would protest for the same reason's that people dont like the seatbelt laws.

I wear my seatbelt because it will keep me safe but it still pisses me off everytime I think about the fact that I dont have a choice in the matter unless I want to break the law.
#12 Feb 04 2005 at 10:03 AM Rating: Good
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Well, okay, if y'all really don't want to wear seat belts, so be it. However, when you're in the hospital with spinal injuries arising from a car accident in which wearing a seat belt would have prevented you from being thrown out of the vehicle and permanently disabled, I reserve the right to NOT pay for your custodial care with my taxes after your insurance coverage runs out, okay? I'm sure that'll be fine with you, to fester in your own ***** while bedsores eat your flesh away, and what not.


No, it's NOT OK for you to reserve that right. You see, that decision has been made for you by someone else, much like the seatbelt decision.

Take it at face value.
#13 Feb 04 2005 at 10:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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What I don't get is, when the government has THOUSANDS of regulations for things more trivial than this, why do people get upset about seatbelts?

For example:

Landlords have to keep the temperature of their building within a certain range.

What about the landlord's right to make it colder?

To protect the tenants you say? Well the tenants could just demand a temperature stipulation in their lease. Why is that darn government meddling!?!?



Yet people choose to ***** about a truly useful law because...the seatbelt chafes the ingrown hairs on their Fabio-like chest?

#14 Feb 04 2005 at 10:16 AM Rating: Default
Because it is an infringment on my personal freedom which doesnt affect other people.

Edited, Fri Feb 4 10:29:22 2005 by DamthebiTch
#15 Feb 04 2005 at 10:16 AM Rating: Decent
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Yet people choose to ***** about a truly useful law because...


it forces them to do something they feel should be a personal decision.


Sometimes, I wear mine, sometimes I don't. I've been in a couple of wrecks. I have never been the driver when involved in one partially through luck, partially through good driving habits. One time I was wearing a seatbelt and had no injuries, just a fender bender. The second time I had no seat belt and no injuries, three vehicles totalled, including the one I was sitting in. Luck was definitely a factor, but so was awareness.
#17 Feb 04 2005 at 10:27 AM Rating: Excellent
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it forces them to do something they feel should be a personal decision.

I feel the temperature I maintain in the apartment building I own is a personal decision.


#18 Feb 04 2005 at 10:33 AM Rating: Default
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I feel the temperature I maintain in the apartment building I own is a personal decision


But your decision has a direct affect on others. Whether or not I wear a seatbelt has no affect on you or anyone else.
#19 Feb 04 2005 at 10:33 AM Rating: Decent
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I feel the temperature I maintain in the apartment building I own is a personal decision.


And as long as you're not subjecting anyone else to that temperature, all the seat-belters, would agree with you. The moment you ask someone else to be affected by that temperature by, say renting apartments to other people, then you make yourself a landlord and start having to make concessions to the tenants, both from common decency and according to legal mandates.

Whether to wear a seatbelt is a personal decision, unless you want to consider that if you are in a seat and fly out of it, the injuries your flying body may cause to others.

Apples and oranges, hickory hi, hickory ho. Off to work we go.

#21 Feb 04 2005 at 10:40 AM Rating: Good
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As was mentioned before, You requiring tens of thousands of dollars a month to care for due to an entirely preventable injury does have an effect on others. Until insurance companies and the government can refuse to pay for treatment for injuries resulting from a crash where a seatbelt wasnt worn the laws are not only a protection for the individual but also for everyone paying insurance or taxes.

Edited, Fri Feb 4 10:40:52 2005 by xythex
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#22 Feb 04 2005 at 10:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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The moment you ask someone else to be affected by that temperature by, say renting apartments to other people, then you make yourself a landlord and start having to make concessions to the tenants, both from common decency and according to legal mandates.

Like I said, tenants can always refuse to sign the lease if there is no temperature stipulation.

Why does the government have to protect them?



P.S. The "common decency" argument can be used against you, as well.

#23 Feb 04 2005 at 11:03 AM Rating: Decent
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I have no idea if seatbelts are required in the backseats around here, or not. Not that I usually have many people in my car anyways...

An interesting point I noticed is that he was killed when he got thrown from the car. I've known, oh, a handful of people who lived because they were thrown clear.
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#24 Feb 04 2005 at 11:16 AM Rating: Default
-SIGH- The irony of it all... LOL
#25 Feb 04 2005 at 11:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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Outlawing cigarette's and alchol would do far more to save lives in this country but the Government isnt going to do that because far to many people would protest for the same reason's that people dont like the seatbelt laws
Cigarettes and liquor are taxed at the high rates they are partially because smokers and drinkers are a heavier burden on the health care system.

By the same notion, consider the $25-$75 (dep. on state) ticket you get for not wearing a seatbelt your "The Man is keeping me down!" Rebellion Tax to help support you when you're on life support after an accident.

Edited, Fri Feb 4 11:25:33 2005 by Jophiel
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#26 Feb 04 2005 at 11:23 AM Rating: Decent
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As was mentioned before, You requiring tens of thousands of dollars to care for due to an entirely preventable injury does have an effect on others. Until insurance companies and the government can refuse to pay for treatment for injuries resulting from a crash where a seatbelt wasnt worn the laws are not only a protection for the individual but also for everyone paying insurance or taxes.


Bull-puckey. It's very simple to write exclusionary clauses into insurance policies. Those laws don't protect a single soul.

The fact of the matter is that if you're going to exclude people who don't wear seat belts from treatment, you need to start somewhere else with your exclusions.

I'll suggest a few places:

1. Prisons. Those inmates haven't paid into the system since they were incarcerated. They don't deserve any care.

2. Illegal Immigrants. We all know they don't pay into the system, but they constantly get benefits from it. Don't forget those legal workers who have cards but aren't apying in duirng their temporary work stay. They should fester in their own ***** while bedsores eat away at their flesh, too.

3. Orphans and widows. Bunch of freeloaders who expect to get money out of the system they've never paid in. Let the ingrates starve.

4. Anyone who got injured doing anything illegal and anyone found to have been under the influence of alcohol or drugs when they were injured.

5. Let's not forget anyone who was injured in an avoidable accident. No benefits for them, either.

In fact, just do away with the whole system once you start exclusionary practices. I don't have a problem with that.
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