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#52 Feb 06 2005 at 4:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Agnostic eh? Agnosticism is for the weak minded. You're too much of a coward to go to Hell for not believing in a higher power, and you're too scared to look like a dumbass for believing in something that doesn't exist.

I bet you're thinking with accepting both you have a 100% chance of being right, but actually you just have a 100% chance of being wrong. Idiot.


Bull. You expect everyone with a motivation to reach a conclusion based on what...faith? Some people like to be convinced of things, and if they aren't, they don't fool themselves into believing they are just so they can reap benefits or appear to "know" something.

Theism: God exists
Atheism: God does not exist
Agnosticism: God may or may not exist (depending on definition of agnosticism)

With both theism and atheism, one must have surety to claim that stance. This is great for some people who've happened to have religious epiphanies (theists) or who believe so strongly in "science" that they have their own anti-God epiphany (atheists). But not for agnostics. We need to be convinced by something. Whether an epiphany, hard evidence, a logical conclusion, a philosophical conclusion. Whatever. IMO none of these hard and fast facts one way or another exist. And I'm certainly not going to take a giant leap of faith one way or the other just to satisfy one of those who is convinced.

Asking an agnostic to "make up his mind already" is like giving someone a jar of 100 numbered beans, asking him to pull one out, and decide which number it is without even looking at it just so he can reach a Holy Conclusion. NOT ENOUGH EVIDENCE EITHER WAY DUMBASS.

Besides which, speaking of "chances", there is no majority religion--chances are the vast majority are wrong. How do you feel now, sucka!?

Edited, Sun Feb 6 04:27:19 2005 by Palpitus
#53 Feb 06 2005 at 4:44 AM Rating: Good
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#54 Feb 06 2005 at 6:51 AM Rating: Default
Nabraben wrote:
you just have a 100% chance of being wrong. Idiot.


Palpitus wrote:
NOT ENOUGH EVIDENCE EITHER WAY DUMBASS.


Thanks for proving my point. Tard.

Palpitus wrote:
Asking an agnostic to "make up his mind already" is like giving someone a jar of 100 numbered beans, asking him to pull one out, and decide which number it is without even looking at it just so he can reach a Holy Conclusion.


So it's better to not guess at all? Try picking out a bean with a gun to your head being asked a yes or no question and saying "It could be any one of these beans!" Believe me I'd rather take a tiny chance than just getting my brain blown out.

Palpitus wrote:
there is no majority religion


I'm sure a Religion with the bare minimum 10,000 people is right on up there with a religion like Islam with millions of members. Nice train of thought there.


Palpitus wrote:
chances are the vast majority are wrong.



Well, since Agnostics haven't the balls to decide, theyre wrong no matter what.

Palpitus wrote:
How do you feel now, sucka!?


Like I just owned you on all levels.
#56 Feb 06 2005 at 7:24 AM Rating: Default
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There are no atheists in foxholes. Something to remember.

Also, back in Dec., the world's "leading atheist" changed his mind and announced he now believes there is a God. His name is Anthony Flews or something like that, and he's English. His views are - er were - quoted all over atheist websites.

So many of you people are hung up on the institutional side of this question and not a personal relationship w/ God. Priest scandals, ministers who touch people on the head and make them fall over, speaking in tongues - gosh religion must all be bad. This is as logical as saying something like Watergate was a mess, so was Vietnam, vote-buying by corporations is out of control - therefore democracy is bad.

Stop burning straw men. Until you give it an honest and sincere try - on a personal and not an instituional level - you'll never have any idea what it's all about.
#58 Feb 06 2005 at 12:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Man as usual has taken and usurped the concept of God(along with anything else) and made it and shaped it in accordances with his own desire and will.

People say that God is irrelevant.

well, after thousands of generations has taken the concept and chewed it up and spit it out on the plates of us "modernites", it has indeed become irrelevant.

This however should never overshadow the truth of the unknown.
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#59 Feb 06 2005 at 12:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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There are no atheists in foxholes. Something to remember.


1. This is bullsh[i][/i]it; and

2. If it were true it would support the idea that religion is based on fear, not faith.
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#61 Feb 06 2005 at 2:54 PM Rating: Decent
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Also, back in Dec., the world's "leading atheist" changed his mind and announced he now believes there is a God. His name is Anthony Flews or something like that, and he's English. His views are - er were - quoted all over atheist websites.


what, one atheist, who's so important you're not sure of his name converted?

well, sign me up for christianity then, the word of some guy I've never heard of is good enough for me.
#62 Feb 06 2005 at 5:34 PM Rating: Good
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I consider myself to be a normal, average person.
I have a Wife and two young sons.
We both work fulltime and are paying off our house and a family car.
We struggle like the rest of the average people do.
I have great friends and family.
My Wife and I don't have the perfect marriage, we fight about money, the kids, work, just like most normal couples do.

I'm happy with what I have and who I am as a person. I have things I would like to improve about myself and I have goals I am working towards.

I also don't follow any religious belief systems. Not following a system or believing in a "God" figure, has not had an effect on my life, over the last 32 years as far as I can tell and I would be the best judge.

So why then do I need to believe in a God and/or a Religion, if I am already satisfied with my life and the direction it is going in?
#63 Feb 06 2005 at 7:46 PM Rating: Decent
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Unless every believer has had some sort of revelation that God forgot to give me, I honestly can't see why anyone would believe in God at all. Religions have caused more pain and suffering than anything else on earth. This to me is an indication that either

1) Clergy and organised religion are not representatives of God, even if he does exsist.
2) God enjoys a laugh and doesn't give a flying f[/u]ck about any of us.

There's no proof that God exists. There's also no proof he doesn't. People who 'believe' in God are to my mind,

1) products of conditioning.
2) Not actual believers, but sufficiently scared of going to hell that they'll play along, and convince themselves they believe, just on the off-chance that there is actually a God up there. Never hurts to cover your bets.
3) Crazy, toys in the attic style

Of course these are just my opinions, I'm not saying that they are more valid than anyone else's. They also have as much proof as anyone else's.





my thoughts excatly
#64 Feb 06 2005 at 11:11 PM Rating: Decent
youshutup didnt mention clinical studies(which i'm too lazy to post a link to, but which were done through the new england journal of medicine, i believe)that may have proved a genetic predisposition to 'faith'.
#65 Feb 07 2005 at 8:36 AM Rating: Good
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wouldn't an omniscient God know which way we'd go in the end anyway?


Not if you believe in the concept of free will. One would have to assume there is a reason for our existance or else we wouldn't exist. Furthermore, if you are of a religion that recognizes the old testament it is stated that on occasion God changed his mind.

Exodus 32 wrote:


9And the LORD said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people:

10Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation.

11And Moses besought the LORD his God, and said, LORD, why doth thy wrath wax hot against thy people, which thou hast brought forth out of the land of Egypt with great power, and with a mighty hand?

12Wherefore should the Egyptians speak, and say, For mischief did he bring them out, to slay them in the mountains, and to consume them from the face of the earth? Turn from thy fierce wrath, and repent of this evil against thy people.

13Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, thy servants, to whom thou swarest by thine own self, and saidst unto them, I will multiply your seed as the stars of heaven, and all this land that I have spoken of will I give unto your seed, and they shall inherit it for ever.

14And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.


I guess the question is if you believe God fits into our definitino of "omniscient"
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#66 Feb 07 2005 at 10:15 AM Rating: Decent
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#67 Feb 11 2005 at 6:44 PM Rating: Default
God's real,it's just the truth..He's most likely in another diemension, outside of our reach, thats why he can see the past and future at the same time, and move about both as well. The body can't move to his diemension, but the soul can..

Isn't that a nice scientific explanation.

And no I'm not a scientist...
#68 Feb 11 2005 at 6:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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God is a 16 oz can of Heinz Cream of Tomato Soup.

I have proof.

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#69 Feb 11 2005 at 6:54 PM Rating: Good
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God is a 16 oz can of Heinz Cream of Tomato Soup.

I have proof.


Heretic! He's a 24oz. can and I will go to war with you to prove it!
#70 Feb 11 2005 at 6:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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what happens if you just don't like cream of tomato?

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#71 Feb 11 2005 at 7:00 PM Rating: Good
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what happens if you just don't like cream of tomato?


Demon spawn! Bride of Satan! Burn in Hell and eat nasty split pea for eternity!
#73 Feb 12 2005 at 1:06 AM Rating: Decent
i refuse to believe in the existence of cream of tomato no matter what campbell's or the labels on the cans say
#74 Feb 12 2005 at 5:07 AM Rating: Good
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Okay, here's the story about Anthony Flew and his recently acquired belief in intelligent design. He is unable to accept the fact that we don't have all the answers to evolution, or perhaps even the means to uncover them yet, it must have been god who did it.
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Yet biologists' investigation of DNA "has shown, by the almost unbelievable complexity of the arrangements which are needed to produce (life), that intelligence must have been involved," Flew says


Way to take the lazy way out, old duffer.

ABC News story

By the way, EvilGnomes, there is no "world's leading atheist". Athiests follow no leader. There are no churches, no passing around the hat, singing songs of disbelief. He apparently is a well known professor of philosophy in England who gained some notariety for his athiest views.

edit: Fixed link.

Edited, Sat Feb 12 14:20:28 2005 by Yanari
#75 Feb 12 2005 at 11:44 AM Rating: Decent
I just wanna say one thing. Religions see their god as unfallable, the "God" can do no wrong. Most religions also see homosexuality as a flaw, a mistake, its not supposed to happen. IF your "God" made us, and you say homosexuality is a flaw, your saying your god screwed up, he made a mistake, completely disproving that everything you say about your "God".

Seeing as im an aetheist, tried and true, im simply here to state what I believe. You christians or muslims or bhuddists, or whatever you are, can have your religion. It doesn't hurt me to let you have your religions, just keep them to yourself. Don't tell me about your "God". Don't knock on my door and tell me about some church. Don't push what you believe on me because you think I'll go to this place you've named Hell, or whatever your religions equivalent is here, if I don't follow you.
#76 Feb 12 2005 at 1:54 PM Rating: Decent
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Most religions also see homosexuality as a flaw, a mistake, its not supposed to happen


really? please, tell us more of your blind assumptions.



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