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#1 Jan 27 2005 at 11:53 AM Rating: Good
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PBS was surprised to receive a letter from new Education Secretary Margaret Spellings, warning the public TV network against airing an upcoming episode of the kids show "Postcards From Buster," because PBS had already informed her office it would not send the episode to its stations, programming co-chief John Wilson says... (snipped) PBS CEO Pat Mitchell expressing "strong and very serious concerns" about the "Postcards From Buster" episode. Specifically that, in the episode, called "Sugartime!," the animated asthmatic little bunny visits Vermont and meets actual, real-live, not make-believe children there who have gay parents.

Why, you might wonder, given that preschoolers who watch the episode learn how maple syrup and cheese are made, not to mention useful English-language phrases (the series is also designed to help children for whom English is a second language).

Because, Spellings explained in her letter, "many parents would not want their young children exposed to the life-styles portrayed in this episode." She did not say how many is "many," or cite a source for that information.


You know, I bet they'd air any show that included the flogging of homosexuals, or same being burned at the stake or some such. HEAVEN FORBID anyone actually show anything that might possibly be some sort of positive image of homosexuality. Let's just ignore the thousands of parents who are homosexuals, and the children who deal with this (I've known a few, and they are typically intelligent kids who are up front about it and deal with harassment). That IS an issue for children all over the world, and it might be nice for them to have someone to identify with, instead of being told their parents are, y'know, wrong. Evil.

I'm just disgusted. Yes, yes, I'll just go fu[b][/b]ck myself now, k thx.
#2 Jan 27 2005 at 11:55 AM Rating: Good
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God i can't wait until I can move to the netherlands. I'm only about 15 years, and 200 grand away.
#3 Jan 27 2005 at 12:00 PM Rating: Decent
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guess they haven't checked out "the wiggles" yet. that one's just so flamboyant it's funny (tho does NOT require censorship. weird standards)
#4 Jan 27 2005 at 12:00 PM Rating: Good
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Hey, it's only 11k to move to Canada for a married couple, so long as one person has a college degree and a solid work history. And they welcome people of child-bearing age!
#5 Jan 27 2005 at 12:14 PM Rating: Decent
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yes but the Wiggles are on Disney, not PBS. Plus, theyre from Austrailia, so americans just think thats how they act
#6 Jan 27 2005 at 12:28 PM Rating: Decent
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so all americans think australians are flamboyantly gay?

and here i thought i was the only one
#7 Jan 27 2005 at 12:34 PM Rating: Decent
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well when you have people like the Wiggles representing you to the world, what do you expect?
#8 Jan 27 2005 at 12:37 PM Rating: Decent
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but the crocodile hunter, he's not gay, he has a manly wife!
#9 Jan 27 2005 at 12:41 PM Rating: Decent
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True, but he's one against four. I think they may be able to dazzle him into submission with thei bright clothing
#10 Jan 27 2005 at 12:45 PM Rating: Good
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I can see both sides of this argument. The entire premise of the show is to introduce children to different cultural and socioeconomic structures that exist in the U.S.

Technically this is right in line with the shows intentions. However, some topics still being sensitive in this country. It is not unreasonable for the government to want to respect the wishes of parents that may wish to introduce homosexuality to their children in a different way. Being a governmently funded program this would fall under that distinction.

A PR person from PBS also expressed the viewpoint on NPR yesterday that PBS felt that that element of the episode was overshadowing the broader intention and scope of that episode and that if they did not wish to address homosexuality without devoting adequate showtime to it.

In time this will not be a taboo subject in this country but right now it still is.
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#11 Jan 27 2005 at 12:49 PM Rating: Decent
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it's not like they're f[u][/u]ucking each other on the show. what you're saying, xythax, is like saying they shouldn't have a black person on the show, because they might find out about them "before the parents were ready to have 'that talk'".

parents should be watching ALL television with their children, or at least as much as possible, and a show like this is a good opportunity to discuss it with their children. Especially since they are likely to be in a private setting ("from the mouths of babes" can understandably make these talks more uncomfortable in a less private setting).

of course, all of that assumes that it's an issue of wanting to talk to their children first, and not the more likely situation: these parents hate the gays.
#12 Jan 27 2005 at 12:53 PM Rating: Decent
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Y'know,

In South Africa,

there is a Seasame Street character that has AIDS.
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#13 Jan 27 2005 at 1:45 PM Rating: Good
Anyone here watch Richard Simmons as a child?

What about Mr. Rogers (a single man who played with puppets) who had a mailman named Mr. McFeely who gave "Speedy Deliveries"?

#14 Jan 27 2005 at 1:48 PM Rating: Good
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Fruit salad... yummy, yummy...

We watch The Wiggles every day. Several times.

Smiley: banghead

Edited, Thu Jan 27 13:48:16 2005 by Nadenu
#15 Jan 27 2005 at 2:09 PM Rating: Good
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Captain feathersword, definitely gay as a hook.

Edited, Thu Jan 27 14:09:19 2005 by RedjedBlue
#16 Jan 27 2005 at 2:16 PM Rating: Good
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Don't forget about Burt and Ernie... you know how they are ;)

I just find it amazing how resistant American watchdog groups are to accepting subcultures that are not going anywhere. Its just like immigrants coming to the early US. They hated them because they "had dirty rituals" and "stole jobs" and "corrupted morality," and it took forever for them to be accepted. Hell, to this day immigrants are detested by most Americans.. even the children of immigrants.

People in the US need to realize that we're all the trash, or the decendants of the trash, from other countries. We, or our parents left our original countries for a reason. That's one of the things that made America so great. It's an entire culture of outcasts from other countries, or people who couldn't make it elsewhere... and we've taken the ball and ran damn far. But still, we're not so grand as to mandate what is right or wrong for other subcultures when you consider that we left because our home countries thought that something WE did was wrong. Hypocrisy is disgusting.

#17 Jan 27 2005 at 2:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Technically this is right in line with the shows intentions. However, some topics still being sensitive in this country. It is not unreasonable for the government to want to respect the wishes of parents that may wish to introduce homosexuality to their children in a different way. Being a governmently funded program this would fall under that distinction.


Wrong. Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong. God this (not the quote, the situation) pisses me off to no extent. Don't we remember how this country is supposed to grounded on something called "freedom"???? like, "the condition of living free of restraints" (thanks dictionary.com!)?? This doesn't even introduce homosexuality and is NO different from nuns who ran orphanages. Women have been raising children together since the dawn of man, so a child seeing two women raising a child is NOT going to think about the wild sex that ensues between them, but rather that hey, that kid has two moms and no dad. i only have one mom and no dad (or insert other circumstances). and this is bad... how? seeing a loving family is going to hurt the child... how?

i'm glad to admit i'm an American lesbain. I hate admitting that i live in this hypocritical country. If my boss felt like it, just on a whim, regarldess of my job performance, he could walk up to me and say, "you're fired". i'd ask, "why?". he'd say "because you're gay" and there's NOTHING i can do about it. nothhhhing. nada. zilch. i'm out of a job. and my next job is going to call my old job and ask why i got fired.

and if (by the GRACE of God) all of my immediate family were to fall over dead, and then I fell over dead, my estate goes to the STATE, the freaking GOVERNMENT, but certainly not to the woman i've been living with for twenty years (well, i haven't been living with a woman for twenty years, but you get the point).

w.t.f. i hate this country i hate this country i hate this country i hate this country. i hate this country's hypocricy. AAAHHHHH
#18 Jan 27 2005 at 2:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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FYI, Mr. McFeely was actually named Mr. McFeely. He was a friend of Fred Rogers in real life and joined him on the show. Juvenile ********* aside, no one decided to "name" him that.

I don't know enough about the show in question nor have I seen the episode in question to make a real call on it. I can see both sides of the issue but, without knowing the show and the context, who's to say?
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#19 Jan 27 2005 at 2:42 PM Rating: Good
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i'm glad to admit i'm an American lesbain

You don't by chance play the banjo as well do you?
#20 Jan 27 2005 at 3:38 PM Rating: Decent
Damn I thought this was about skeet.....
#21 Jan 27 2005 at 4:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Thank you very much Nadenu, for getting Fruit salad stuck in my head as I am about to go to work. I will think of you everytime I start to unkowingly hum it while I have clients sitting in my chair. It will continue to reassert their wonder if I am truely as mad as a hatter.
























Where's Jeff.... Is he sleeping outside? Where's Jeff.... Has he gone for a ride?
#22 Jan 27 2005 at 4:15 PM Rating: Decent
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while I have clients sitting in my chair


hmmm. what do you do again? :p
#23 Jan 27 2005 at 5:25 PM Rating: Good
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Lady deadsidedemon wrote:
Where's Jeff.... Is he sleeping outside? Where's Jeff.... Has he gone for a ride?


Oh, you have no idea... we have a Wiggles video that is all new stuff, that they don't show on Disney. We watch it almost ever day.

I go to work every day with at least 5 of those songs stuck in my head. Smiley: motz
#24 Jan 27 2005 at 5:32 PM Rating: Good
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FYI, Mr. McFeely was actually named Mr. McFeely. He was a friend of Fred Rogers in real life and joined him on the show. Juvenile ********* aside, no one decided to "name" him that.


Touche'. I think Tinky-Winky was the Purple Teletubbie's name IRL also.

I guess my point was that subtle homoeroticism has been present for a while now and our country has not become a colony of homosexuals. Not that there would be anything wrong with that. I respect everyone's right to bang whatever they want.
#25 Jan 27 2005 at 5:35 PM Rating: Good
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I'm just a very happy Australian.

And for the men... Wiggles concert = hottie young mothers <nudge, nudge>












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#26 Jan 27 2005 at 5:38 PM Rating: Good
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I don't have a problem with it either. They don't have hetero people on kids shows saying "This is the only way to be!", and I don't think we'll ever have them advocating homosexuality, either.

If homosexuality is implied, kids don't usually see it anyway. It's the parents who get upset by it. "They're turning my child gay!" I'm sorry, but watching Mr. Rogers and Bert and Ernie didn't do a thing for me.

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