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#1 Jan 27 2005 at 11:06 AM Rating: Decent
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/LAW/01/27/family.poisoned.ap/index.html wrote:
The boy told investigators that he did not want to kill his family, but wanted to make them sick because he was mad at them.


The boy's stepfather and mother said he had threatened them before and that he "sleeps on a mattress in the walk-in closet off the master bedroom so they can 'watch him,"' according to the complaint.


So the have the kid sleeping in the closet to "keep an eye on him" yet he still managed to poison them? Makes me glad I'm infertile.


Edited, Thu Jan 27 11:09:24 2005 by fetichwon
#2 Jan 27 2005 at 11:13 AM Rating: Good
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Well, damn. Kids are getting innovative now a days.



Whatever happened to something as simple as "I HATE YOU!" and running away crying?
#3 Jan 27 2005 at 12:19 PM Rating: Decent
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"You're not my real dad!!!!1111one"

Sick that he poisoned his baby sister as well, she'd have been the first to die from that.
#4 Jan 27 2005 at 12:46 PM Rating: Decent
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sleeps on a mattress in the walk-in closet off the master bedroom


Someone watches too much Harry Potter Smiley: oyvey

Sounds like a pretty fu[b][/b]cked up family to begin with, never mind the 15yo..
#5 Jan 27 2005 at 12:48 PM Rating: Decent
ElderonXI the Wise wrote:
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sleeps on a mattress in the walk-in closet off the master bedroom


Someone watches too much Harry Potter Smiley: oyvey

Sounds like a pretty fu[b][/b]cked up family to begin with, never mind the 15yo..


My point exactly.
#6 Jan 27 2005 at 10:30 PM Rating: Default
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The boy's stepfather and mother said he had threatened them before and that he "sleeps on a mattress in the walk-in closet off the master bedroom so they can 'watch him,"' according to the complaint.


Is it just me, or would having to "watch them" make the kid pretty screwed up?
#7 Jan 27 2005 at 10:35 PM Rating: Decent
Id bet million bucks his parents were ****** in the head and made him that way.
#8 Jan 27 2005 at 10:55 PM Rating: Decent
Whatever happened to hitting the kid on the *** or upside the head? They never learn what's right from wrong, pretty soon we are going to have preschool shootings.
#9 Jan 27 2005 at 11:40 PM Rating: Default
this is a prime example of pansy-*** parenting gone wrong. either you teach your kid that love exists independent from material objects/privleges, or you'll end up with a hound that bites your hand as soon as you run out of food
#10 Jan 27 2005 at 11:57 PM Rating: Good
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That's so aweful :(

I can almost garauntee that kids parents fubared him. No kid is born bad, and I get tired of parents complaining about how bad thier kids are and not taking any responsibility for how they turned out. I know some families like this and it's so sad. If the kid is so bad they have to practically imprison him why haven't they taken him for counceling? Why isn't he in juvenile hall or some kind of boot camp? What about mental disorders, have they taken him to a doctor cause he sure sounds crazy to me. Some people just digust me. Good luck and blessings, Prana
#11 Jan 28 2005 at 1:44 AM Rating: Decent
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Kelvhand the Sly wrote:
Whatever happened to hitting the kid on the *** or upside the head? They never learn what's right from wrong, pretty soon we are going to have preschool shootings.
Well, we're pretty close to that already...
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/US/02/29/school.shooting.04/ wrote:
MOUNT MORRIS TOWNSHIP, Michigan -- A 6-year-old girl was shot to death in her classroom Tuesday by a first-grade classmate with a stolen handgun, authorities said.
#12 Jan 28 2005 at 2:08 AM Rating: Decent
My god....
#13 Jan 28 2005 at 2:36 AM Rating: Good
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Nothings says: "I love you"... like a good beating.

The problem is: If I smack my kid, at the shops, because he is throwing a tantrum, there is always some liberal ******* who is ready to butt their nose in and call me a "bad parent".

If I try and disipline my child, next thing I know, I've got Child Welfare on my door step, because I "beat" my child in public.
Seems to me that these days, you can't enforce any type of parental disipline or authoriy with regards to your own children, without some prick butting their nose in and you getting in a Child Welfare ********** fight".

My parents disiplined me when I was "naughty". For the most part they were very liberal and fair, in regards to what I could do on a day to day basis. They let me have a pretty free rein to explore and do things.
I knew that I could pretty much do as I like, but should I ***** up or do something wrong, then I was going to get a smack on the *** and punished.
I also knew that if my parents asked me to do something, say a "chore" or set a time to be home or such, then that was what I was to do.
They never asked me to do much or impossed on me to much, but when they did, it was for my own good, most of the time. Now that I'm 32 and have two kids of my own, I can look back and appreciate the disipline they instilled in my, as a child.

I'm glad they showed me respected and disipline.

Edited, Fri Jan 28 03:01:33 2005 by lagduff
#14 Jan 28 2005 at 5:20 AM Rating: Good
Parenting is a tough job. I'm speaking from the outside, but as I do eventually plan on spawning at least one or two progeny, I've paid attention to the process and what works and doesn't.

It seems that the most important part is that you have to teach the child to 100% respect what you tell them without instilling an actual fear of the parent figure. Corporal punishment is a tool that can be used to that end, but is far from the ONLY tool available. I think 3/4 of the problem we have with child rearing is that there are too many fads. TimeOut! isn't actually a bad tool....until you use it in every single situation.


Fads are great for music genres, but horrible when consistent results are desired.
#15 Jan 28 2005 at 8:47 PM Rating: Decent
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There is a difference in hitting a kid and discipline and hitting is not the only way to punish a child effectively, if it works at all. Good luck and blessings, Prana
#17 Jan 28 2005 at 9:18 PM Rating: Decent
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All kids respond to different disciplines, and they can change as they grow. One child may take timeouts, others may learn more from a toy taken away. Others may need something else. I do not spank my child, but I dont need to. Taking toys away seem to work effectively.

This kid, however is 15 years old. Obviously the parents were not disciplining him well as a child, or they did not pay enough attention to the warning signs as he grew into a teen. I dont blam the parents, but there must have been something they did not do right for this to happen. No sane child does this because he's "mad".
#18 Jan 28 2005 at 10:37 PM Rating: Decent
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Lady deadsidedemon wrote:
All kids respond to different disciplines, and they can change as they grow. One child may take timeouts, others may learn more from a toy taken away. Others may need something else. I do not spank my child, but I dont need to. Taking toys away seem to work effectively.


Agreed 100%

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I dont blame the parents...


I do. I also blame the boy but he is a child and they raised him and like I said kids aren't born 'bad'. So I do blame them. That is just my opinion, not saying you are wrong. Good luck and blessings, Prana
#19 Jan 28 2005 at 10:40 PM Rating: Decent
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I blame MTV.
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#20 Jan 28 2005 at 10:46 PM Rating: Decent
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lol. Don't forget video games and D&D. No wait, it was the Goth lifestyle.

You know, if they had only accepted (insert religious figure) as thier savior they would have been model citizens. Finally, we have some answers. Good luck and blessings, Prana
#21 Jan 29 2005 at 12:10 AM Rating: Good
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There is a difference in hitting a kid and discipline and hitting is not the only way to punish a child effectively, if it works at all.
Hitting a child is wrong.
Smacking a child, on the other hand, is at times, a great way of disiplining a child.
I don't smack my kids very often, I normally use other methods of disiplining them first, but if none of them seems to work, they get my hand across their *** and sent to their room.
#22 Jan 29 2005 at 12:25 AM Rating: Good
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It's hard to lay blame...

On one hand you can blame the parents. Their child is "bad", un-disiplined or screwed up. Yet in many cases, they have been good parents. Little 15yr old Johnny came from a good home. He was an A student, he was popular. He was shown love and disiplined, yet he turned out to be an *******.
Whilst, to a point, parents should be held accountable for the way that their children behave, we shouldn't forget that their are many more factors involved today, that influence how children view there surroundings and interact with those surroundings and other people.

Where does parental responsability end and personal responsability begin?
#24 Jan 29 2005 at 12:30 PM Rating: Decent
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I dont blame the parents...



I do. I also blame the boy but he is a child and they raised him and like I said kids aren't born 'bad'. So I do blame them


I'm going to disagree and here's why.

I do believe hat parents are responsible for their children. They need to teach them right from wrong. That is their job, and when a child messes up this badly, you have to wonder at their parenting style. HOwever, this is a person 15 years of age. He is old enough, and smart enough, to know the difference between right and wrong. He knows that rat poison can kill. This is exactly what he was aiming for. It's not like he was a 6 year old kid, who did not know that rat poison was lethal. The kid knew, and knowing the difference between right and wrong, he did it anyways.

There comes a time when a child must be responsible for his or her own actions. I find it hard to believe a person that age did not know the difference in responsibility. He knew what he was doing and he acted upon it, despite knowing how wrong it was.

Parents can only lead children to learn the truths. It is up to the person by the time their 15 to act upon it. People may not be born "bad" but by the time they reach adolesence they have the choice to shape their life. They can choose to be "good" or "bad". By that time in age, the parent may still guide, but can not rule their childrens actions in whole.

So I lay blame where it is due' straight on the lap of the 15 year old person, who knew exactly what he was doing, and didn't care that he was trying to take away peoples lives. Not only that, but he was trying to kill those who loved him.
#25 Jan 29 2005 at 12:56 PM Rating: Good
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I blame the republicans.
#26 Jan 29 2005 at 1:27 PM Rating: Good
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I blame the republicans.


Why? The child is obviously a Democrat.

He used poison in the food. He attempted to subvert a normal process (eating) into giving abnormal results that were not intended or expected by those participating (death).

If he was Republican, he'd have just grabbed a gun and shot his family and then claimed they were trying to rob him.
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