a question to those alive during the vietnam draftFollow

Awesome site, btw. I use it constantly as a resource when I write papers for classes.. the citations come in incredibly useful.

As for using clean-pee site as a reference, the material they had elsewhere wasn't important.. the chart of durations for drug metabolites to be detected on the other hand, was. And if you were intelligent enough to read the caption, it said "Information cited from NIDA."

NIDA = The National institute of drug abuse, part of NIH, the national institute of health.

So, yes, I used a clean **** page as a reference. Namely so that people who didn't know better could have a nice clean chart to look at instead of digging around NIDA's website for hours (because it's set up like a labrynth... potentially because it's one of the only little-propaganda-ized government sites out there).

But, I think a lot of you don't understand how urinalysis works. When you use a drug, it is metabolized by your body through a series of chemical reactions. When you pee afterwards, there aren't going to be bits and pieces of LSD, or marijuana pouring out with it. What will come out are the metabolites.. that is, the byproducts of the chemical reactions your body has. These are what are measured by urine tests. However for most drugs they leave the body fairly rapidly... which is why urine tests aren't too hard to beat. Even a full spectrum thingamajig. It doesn't matter how sophisticated the test is... if the metabolites are gone, then they're gone. Plain and simple.

As for flashbacks being purely psychological, that is possible. However there are cases of it not having any clear base other than prior exposure to a hallucinogen. Erowid lists the prerequisites, and the rarity however in their LSD section.

Sorry also about posting about the spinal tap thing.. I should've checked my sources first. My bad for not confirming an urband legend, lol.

your body eliminates every trace of LSD in the body within 4 days (probably fewer than 2). if there the chemical is nowhere to be found how could it possibly be responsible for flashbacks? that being the case the *must* be psychological.


i realize it is unlikely there will be a draft. my question was purely out of curiosity because i asked my parents (both of which were alive during vietnam (born in 1949), my dad, fortunately, had a very high draft number and was never called in) and they said they never heard of anyone saying they were gay to get out of going to vietnam.

"LSD may leave traces in your body. I know other drugs do. And for quite a long time, too. Guess where?"

bulls[b][/b]hit. prove it. despite having someone say something that contradicts your statement completely (a statement, which, by the way, you arent even sure of) you still find it neccessary to post it?

if someone is saying 2 + 2 = 4 and is damn sure of it would it make any sense to say "2 + 2 may = 5, but im not certain."?

after 4 days (and almost always much less) you will never be able to tell someone has dropped acid. ever. even if they have taken it 100 times you wont be able to tell. there is no way, at all.

as i said, it is generally accepted in the scientific community that flashbacks are purely psychological and there is very little (and perhaps no) evidence to the contrary.

Yea, I wouldn't worry about it too much. It would take a war with Iran to....oh wait....crap. Yea there will probably be a draft in the next 1-2 years.

I was just going to mention that during the "ceremony" there is no "stepping forward." At least, not in the past decade when I started doing it, and have repeated several times since. Now, it's pretty much "raise your right hand, and repeat after me." Once that's complete you are in the military. You can sign a contract, but until the "oath-giver" (a commisioned officer) signs off on your contract, it's just trash-can filler. After the oath, it is legally binding.

However, another thing caught my eye. Hippo mentioned if the US was ever under a "credible" attack, he would join. I guess several thousand people dying on 9-11 wasn't the result of a credible attack? And yes, while many may disagree with the war in Iraq, we still have troops on the Afghan-Pakistani border looking for bin Laden. So, either, you're ready to go sign up and look for him, or were the attacks of 9-11 not credible enough for you?

Sorry to shove some humor in, but I remember in high school my boyfriend dragged me to In The Army Now cause he for some odd reason he thought Pauly Shore was hilarious. There was this one scene when the two friends told the recruiter they were gay, therefore they should get kicked out. I think the guy told them to prove it by kissing each other and they couldn't do it.

Just because people have died elsewhere? That takes it out of the credible attack category? Geez. Open your bedroom door when you're using glue and painting those models, buddy.

In my opinion, what makes it a credible attack is that an a political group outside our own borders did something that created the death of citizens within our borders. I think that's pretty cut and dry, however, if you don't think think that meets the definition of attack, then I'd sure like to see your definition. As far as it being credible, I know a few people from New York who weren't that far away when it happened, and they seem pretty sure that it did in fact happen. They're pretty sure that the twin towers aren't there anymore either.

I'm beginning to think you're just trying to yank my chain. Either that, or your childhood home had lead-based paint, and you sure like paint chips.

Sorry for the double posting, but people keep posting before I'm done with one post.

I wouldn't blame AH for not joining because he doesn't believe in the war in Iraq. I'm just saying that he said he would join if he thought there were a credible attack against the US. There already was, therefore, what he said was in all reality, him puffing up his chest and saying something without thinking. If he really meant it, he'd be asking people what military job would give him the best opportunity to destroy the people who commited such an act, not whether or not saying he's a pole-smoker would get him out of a draft.

I don't think the military is right for some people, even during a war. Many of them would be nothing more than a hindrance to the rest of the military. Currently, the US military is plagued with enough dead-weight who have mistaken it for the camoflauge welfare system.

AH obviously doesn't have an ounce of a warrior ethos in him, and I don't think Ares himself could instill it in him. I think it's ludicrous that he would sit there and posture about what he would do if this and that happened, when IT has already happened, yet, he's still posturing. My whole point with my original post mentioning him joining was that his conditions for joining had already been met, but I don't hear him bragging about his new spiffy uniform. In other words, put up or shut up being directed at him. I could honestly care less whether he joined the military, and I honestly believe the military is better without him, however, he shouldn't posture about doing something he never would do unless forced to do.

What post? Where?

For the idiots: disregard this. It was a misunderstanding.

Edited, Thu Jan 27 23:42:32 2005 by CBD

My bad, CBD. I was trying to do too many things at once, and I misread what you'd posted. You can kick me in the jimmy later.