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#27 Jan 25 2005 at 8:19 PM Rating: Good
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A 63-year-old man who hasn't slept for more than two decades has been told there is nothing wrong with him by doctors.

Ukrainian Fyodor Nesterchuk from the town of Kamen-Kashirsky said the last time he managed to doze off was more than 20 years ago.....



Freaky. After a couple of days, I get so physically fatigued. I couldn't imagine being awake more than a week straight. This guy should be listed as a world record.
#28 Jan 25 2005 at 8:30 PM Rating: Decent
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Bah, ***** all that. I just wish I could control them. Have any sites with actual info Scuba?


What I know about lucid dreaming:

Lucid dreaming is pretty much controlling your actions in a dream. How do you lucid dream? While dreaming, you must realize that you're in a dream. How do you do that? The first step is to remember your dreams.

To remember your dreams, start a dream "journal". Every time you remember your dream(s), write what happened in a notebook or something. Before you go to bed every night, read through your dream journal.

Another good idea is to make it a habit to look at the palms of your hands to make sure they're "real" or "normal".

I've only been able to lucid dream once (maybe twice, not sure if I really had control), and all I was doing was pressing the gas and break pedals on a go-kart. The maybe time was a really bad nightmare, when some monster was holding me in the air, and I was pleading for my life, begging it to make it quick... freaks me out to this moment that I did that... I think the nightmare was so vivid that I just sort of broke in and did that.

Err... sorry for the rambling. ^^;
#29 Jan 25 2005 at 8:36 PM Rating: Good
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Dreams...i think dreams are nothin but thoughts of your life. Just sometimes they are absolutly random events with things and people you know in real life.

i also find it weird that sometimes i can remember that i had a long and good dream but i cant remember a single detal about it. But when i think about that dream i had last night it makes me feel good.

I am reading this damn book in school, Bless Me, Ultima. The kid has many Dreams that tells his past (day of birth etc.) that no one has told him about and such. Maybe to some they tell them something but i dont think so.
#30 Jan 25 2005 at 10:10 PM Rating: Decent
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I hardly remember my dreams. Maybe once or twice in a year.

I did have an experience once, where I felt like some huge thing is pressing on my chest and I was unable to move my body at all.
#31 Jan 26 2005 at 12:00 AM Rating: Good
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Lady deadsidedemon wrote:
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Ukrainian hasn't slept in 20 years

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A 63-year-old man who hasn't slept for more than two decades has been told there is nothing wrong with him by doctors.

Ukrainian Fyodor Nesterchuk from the town of Kamen-Kashirsky said the last time he managed to doze off was more than 20 years ago.....



Freaky. After a couple of days, I get so physically fatigued. I couldn't imagine being awake more than a week straight. This guy should be listed as a world record.


He has to enter some form of REM, even if its in a form of medidation. After hitting psychotic episodes at around 5 days without REM, at 10 days most animals will die. It serves an important purpose for the body... I wonder how it works for him?
#32 Jan 26 2005 at 12:24 AM Rating: Decent
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Sheeeeet ******** I remember dreams I had in the womb!!


seriously, waht kinda dreams you think babies have?
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#33 Jan 26 2005 at 12:28 AM Rating: Good
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Kelvyquayo the Hand wrote:
Sheeeeet ******** I remember dreams I had in the womb!!


seriously, waht kinda dreams you think babies have?


That's an awesome question :)

Considering they still only can recognize basic shapes, and colors... they probobly don't recognize very much. It must be cool though!
#34 Jan 26 2005 at 12:49 AM Rating: Decent
For some reason almost 99% of my dreams are about Tornados. Sometimes I'm watching it destroy things, sometimes I am running away, and other times I'm right in the middle of it. I have no idea what it symbolizes, or what relevance it has to my life, but for some reason tornados seem to be a common theme.
#35 Jan 26 2005 at 12:51 AM Rating: Good
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Were you exposed to the movie twister as a child? lol
#36 Jan 26 2005 at 3:04 AM Rating: Decent
Wet dreams. Smiley: tongue
#37 Jan 26 2005 at 3:35 AM Rating: Decent
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Interesting topic.. 2 experinces here out of quite a few that have lead my mind (or the pattern it has become) to the conclusion that dreams are a form of reality...

1. One of the only Lucid Dreams that I've had.
The long and short of it. Sitting in a room with 2 ppl and realized as I gazed out the window that I was dreaming. I stood up only to have one guy say "Excellent, I'm glad you've realized it finally." Big warm smile on his face. I Immediatly freaked out and ran from the room as he called out, "Come back I'ts ok."
At which point I lost control and could't remember the rest.

Not sure if the guy was supposed to be me or some anonymous "helper" or something ^.- Idk I'm a pretty sceptical girl.

2. The only Precognative Dream that I have proven to anyone but myself.
Slept at a friends house. In the dream I was getting ready to sleep at another friends (best friend of 11 yrs) house. As I sat down and looked at her she said, reaching up above her head, "If you need to turn them off just pull on this". She mimiced pulling on the rope/string hung above her.
I told the friend who's house I was at about the dream because we frequently had conversations of a spiritual/abnormal/etc. type and also It was strangly stuck in my mind.
Three months later I went to visit my best friend on a trip. She had moved into a new place and I was to sleep on her couch in her livingroom/basement. She has mini Xmas lights strung around where the ceiling meets the wall. As we prepare for bed I sit down on the couch and she - standing in front of me - says, "If you need to turn the lights off just pull on this." I bugged out as she motioned unplugging the lights from the extension cord above her head. She was kind of sceptical (who would't be). I returned to my other friend to make sure I wasn't completely insane and she recalled to me what I had told her of the dream.

Probably one of the most bizarre experiences I've ever had. Don't see how it could have been mass hallucination or something of that sort lol. I just chalk it up to some other proof to myself that although we may want to impose a temporal strucure upon our realities and lives.. the world/universe/etc. has no sense of time.

I think there is a reason we dream and whether it's a practical safety measure for our minds or a spiritual tool I'm not sure I'll ever know.
#38 Jan 26 2005 at 3:35 AM Rating: Good
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Though many will just pass this byas being the brain replaying an impression, I've had several of those deja vú experiences. I know that deja vú happens when the brain replays an impression you got a couple of milliseconds before, but some of my deja vú experiences are very odd. For instance, last week I was watching the tellie like so many evenings before. I decided to turn it off and go play some computer, right before turning the tellie off I had this odd feeling that my cat would enter the room and I would continue watching the tv. I barely thought it over before my cat came into the room and the Tonight Show (my favorite evening show) came on.

I was quite stunned, but nevertheless continued to watch the tv.

I am, to a certain degree, very odd. You might even call me superstisious. I don't like looking people in the eyes for too long a period, I fear that my eyes will reveal my inner most secret thoughts. I also believe in precognition(sp?) and that you, through dreams achieve a short ability to look into what will happen. Call me stupid, but I've had too many deja vús like the one above to doubt it.

I even have a deja vú that replays ever so often. Sometimes when I have to choose between something (most often, it's whether or not to open a door) I often think, just as I open it, I should've let it be, I did so last time. There is no last time, it is merely my brain skipping a track just to jump back a few seconds before my senses register my actions.

Or is it..?
#39 Jan 26 2005 at 3:47 AM Rating: Decent
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Chazra~ I've haven't come to any conclusion as to why I get repetative deja vu but I spent about 2 straight years where at least twice a day it would happen o.O I would try to explain it to friends with me at the time but alas it's hard to believe lol. I have also wondered about the whole skipping thing.. one experience of deja vu I could explain to myself as a glimpse into true reality as it exists all in one time.. not in a "past" or "future" but all now and all everytime. But the repeating thing has baffled me... I wonder.. ~ if this has happened before.. and last time it happened I thought it had happened before.. and the time before... When did the original event happen? If it's all happening now.. then why is it repeating? Is it another stage in the experience of the non-temporal.. such as the archetype of the cycle.. everthing repeats itself. Very Very much a topic I have ruminated on.
#40 Jan 26 2005 at 5:42 AM Rating: Good
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I've had several lucid dreams, and I've been able to control a few of them. Nothing major, and it's usually a "pick up where I left off" situation (like I woke up to go to the bathroom or something).

For a long time, I used to dream about elevators that were out of control, and didn't just go up and down; they also went side to side and looped around. And they were almost always in some kind of bizarre building that looking like something out of a Batman movie or something.

This was when I was with my ex, which was a bad situation, so I always equated the crazy elevators with my feeling like I wasn't in control of my life.
#41 Jan 26 2005 at 9:23 AM Rating: Decent
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He has to enter some form of REM, even if its in a form of medidation. After hitting psychotic episodes at around 5 days without REM, at 10 days most animals will die. It serves an important purpose for the body... I wonder how it works for him?


I read in Time magazine about a month ago, that doctors are taking another look at sleep and the 2 phases you go through. They always thought REM was the most important aspect of sleep, but they are starting to change their views. It actually looks like non REM sleep affects your memory more then REM sleep, which they had originally thoguht was the other way around.


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What the Weizmann researchers found was that your ability to recognize certain patterns on a computer screen is directly tied to the amount of REM sleep you get. Such skills depend on something called procedural memory, which is needed for any task that requires repetition and practice. Remembering a fact, like the name of the first U.S. President, is an example of declarative memory, a different kind of capability that apparently is not affected by REM sleep. Says Robert Stickgold, a cognitive neuroscientist at Harvard Medical School: "We were basically naive about memory."

But that changed once scientists knew which kind of memory to study. Over the past couple of years, Stickgold has teamed up with Matthew Walker at Boston's Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center to investigate sleep's effects on procedural memory for motor skills.

They asked right-handed test subjects to type a sequence of numbers (for example, 4-1-3-2-4) with their left hand over and over again as fast as they could. No matter what time of day they learned the task, their accuracy improved 60% to 70% after six minutes of practice.

When subjects who learned the sequence in the morning were retested 12 hours later, they hadn't significantly improved. But when those who learned the sequence in the evening were retested following a night's sleep, they were an extra 15% to 20% faster and 30% to 40% more accurate.

Much to the researchers' surprise, the greatest improvements appeared in those who spent the most time in the second stage of non-REM sleep. Other procedural tasks that depended more heavily on visual or perceptual ability required periods of deeper sleep or both slow-wave and REM sleep. Sometimes even just an hour of shut-eye made a big difference. Other times a full night's rest was needed. "It's probably going to turn out that different types of memory tasks need different kinds of sleep," says Stickgold


#42 Jan 26 2005 at 9:44 AM Rating: Good
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Chazra~ I've haven't come to any conclusion as to why I get repetative deja vu but I spent about 2 straight years where at least twice a day it would happen o.O I would try to explain it to friends with me at the time but alas it's hard to believe lol. I have also wondered about the whole skipping thing.. one experience of deja vu I could explain to myself as a glimpse into true reality as it exists all in one time.. not in a "past" or "future" but all now and all everytime. But the repeating thing has baffled me... I wonder.. ~ if this has happened before.. and last time it happened I thought it had happened before.. and the time before... When did the original event happen? If it's all happening now.. then why is it repeating? Is it another stage in the experience of the non-temporal.. such as the archetype of the cycle.. everthing repeats itself. Very Very much a topic I have ruminated on.


I had to quote the entire post, it's just too amazing. Those are the exact same thoughts I have whenever a deja vu occurs. It's like a curtain is lifted for a brief moment, revealing things from past, present and future mixed into this impression that leaves me without direct memory of it, but more like a feeling that this is the right thing to do, or that something like this will happen soon. Maybe it's just our sixth sense playing a trick on us?

I believe that there are people who will one day see the entire context of the existance we live in. That, somehow, the truth about everything is let out to those capable of understanding it. I believe that with enough knowledge and if you accept what you are, what you're supposed to do with your life, then you will be able to bend what we call reality. Imagine if you could realize and accept that the world is as we know it because we think it is. I'm saying we're in The Matrix, not at all, more like a reality hidden behind our reality.

Well, I think I'm going to stop now or people will write me off as a lunatic (prolly too late anyways).

I'm very fascinated by this phenomenon. I'm Atheist by choice, but I still think that there is a force unknown present here and everywhere.

Getting dizzy just from thinking about it, hope it makes at least some sense.

If you'd like to give me your oppinion, please PM me so that we can continue the discussion there.
#43 Jan 26 2005 at 10:29 AM Rating: Decent
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I very rarely remember my dreams. When I do, I usually forget them in 4 or 5 minutes, even if I'm trying to keep them in mind. But every once in a great while, I will have a dream that stays with me for a long time. Actually it's happened 6 times because I still remember them quite vividly.

I had the first one when I was a teenager. In the dreama friend and I were walking to his house. Along the way we were harassed by this vampire girl. She would step out from behind bushes and while not threatening, she was menacing. When we get to his house it turns out the vampire is his little sister. The dream's atmosphere wasn't scary like a nightmare, it was more suspenseful like a whodunnit. The important thing in the dream was the actual journey. The getting there from here. I don't know how to explain it other than to say the girl wasn't a villian, she was just an obstacle. At least that is the way it feels when I remember it.

It's like that with all the others. The settings change, but the dream always revolves around a trip. So far I have escaped from a futuristic prison (nothing like Riddick), crossed a shark infested pool, evaded headhunters up a trail along the Amazon River, walked with my platoon to a supply depot, and rounded my family up and got them out of the house. And always the main thing in the dreams is this overwhelming drive to get somewhere.

I don't know if any of it really means anything. It has always just seemed kinda strange ot me that the only ones I can remember all have the same kind of theme.
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#44 Jan 26 2005 at 10:34 AM Rating: Good
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A bit late but...
I think that most dreams are just the detritus of the mind, the random images and thoughts that pass through our subconcious based on the things that are happening in our life, our emotional state, past experiences etc. But, and this is a big but, some dreams do not appear to fall into this thread.

I have extrememly vivid dreams, so vivid that if I fall in love in a dream, have a child or someone dies I will sometimes cry/mourn for them when I am awake because it feels that real. I dream in color but also in 'feel', 'taste' and 'smell'. I almost always remember several dreams a night and can actually lay down and as soon as I fall asleep start dreaming. I am also extrememly sensitive to what goes on outside me, IE if the television is on I will dream what is happening on TV word for word, so I have to be careful of things like that (imagine falling asleep during a scary movie...).

Some of my dreams are horrible and unlike most people I do not wake up just before I am tortured or die etc. I actually experience the entire thing including the pain. Some dreams are so real that I will actually take action. For instance I once dreamt that I was a priestess in training and that these half man half snake creatures were chasing me through a moonlit forest. I stumbled into a clearing and was surround, tied to a stake and then tortured. The snakemen dips wands into boiling wax and rolled them down my arms and legs peeling off the skin. When I woke up I was covered in blood because I had torn all the skin from my arms with my own fingernails trying to stop them. To this day I cut my nails as short as possible. You would think that kind of pain would wake me up but it doesn't. Iv've had dreams so scary I bit right through my tongue and I still don't wake up.

Sometimes I dream of past lives. Many people don't believe in that and it's ok but I have no other explanation for the very intricate and lengthy 'lives' I live in my dreams nor for the intense feelings of attachment and rememberence I feel to them. Some of my dreams are so detailed I have actually made them into stories and am currently working on a novel based on one of my dreams. I have had several dreams that have come true, usually very silly things (I always dream about the place I will live next before moving) but occasionally something more bizarre. For instance I once dreamed about a little girl who died and the next day it was in the papers. I usually have no control of my dreams even though I am aware it is a dream but sometimes I do. I remember once when I was little and I was dreaming of being chased by zombies. I stopped in the middle of the road and told myself 'This is just a dream, you can do anything you want' and proceeded to fly away. At which point the zombies started laughing and said well its our dream to so we can fly to and chased me through the sky.

The condition you are refering to is sleep paralysis. I had a big problem with it when I was a teenager and seriously thought I was either going crazy or being abducted by aliens. Before modern science figured out it's cause people used to believe it was demons sitting on thier chest and holding them down, IE the succubus. Here is a good site with more info: . I think mine was due to stress because I had a very hard life and stopped having this problem after I left home. When I was very little I could leave my body at will even when I was awake but I can't anymore and wouldn't even if I could. Still sometimes I do get that feeling where I am almost asleep and then suddenly jerk back and feel like I am falling very fast. Maybe my soul wants freedom even if my brain wants safety.

Most of my dreams are the same common dreams everyone has, running down a road that gets longer and longer, being naked in front of your class, etc. But some defy logic. I guess I should not be surprised considering the other bizarre things that happen to me and my mothers even wierder sleeping habits but it really is quite strange. Good luck and blessings, Prana
#45 Jan 26 2005 at 10:35 AM Rating: Decent
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There is a theory that time itself is not something linear, as we always imagine it to be, but stacked or curved around itself. In this theory, the past, present, and future are all actually happening at the same time. So it is feasible to glimps snatches of time "before" they actually happen... as it is always happening.
#46 Jan 26 2005 at 10:38 AM Rating: Good
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Ack! Stupid double post... ><

Edited, Wed Jan 26 10:41:01 2005 by Kaliprana
#47 Jan 26 2005 at 10:51 AM Rating: Decent
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I don't know what I did to make it happen, but I had a lucid dream once. They are very cool indeed.
#48 Jan 26 2005 at 10:53 AM Rating: Decent
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the past, present, and future are all actually happening at the same time.


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and in light of that note, think about things like "past lives". If indeed all time is the "same time" then this must mean that we are living several lives at the same time..... our souls that is are participating in the same conceptual events, corrolating with where it overlaps.

This argument is by far one of the most difficult to fathom. i picture the "soul" to be like a cylinder that presses through all parts of time. Our personal perception as the human beings that we are only operates in one point on the long "spriral" that is time.

That's to say that as the "spriral of time" overlaps with itself. Picture it like this. If you veiw a spriral from the "top" (2-dimensionally), it looks like a circle. This circle would be composed of all of the overlapping layers of time. Our souls poke through all of this layers at a certain point. Thus as we live this lifetime, there are others that are overlapping... thus it's not truly the case of one life-time effecting another, but instead all lifetimes operating in conjunction with one another.

The problem with this idea is that we are still forced to think linearly about this... and the case goes: Where is the differentiation in these "cycles" of time. In other words: Waht is it that determines Where one layer of the "spiral" begins and where it ends.

Sorry for my rambling... I'm still not fully awake yet. So if this makes no sence at all waht I just wrote, blaaaaaaa
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#49 Jan 26 2005 at 11:03 AM Rating: Decent
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so if that hteory was proved to be true, or at least parts of it, I wonder why is it we remember and live now and do not have more glimpses of the past or future. The theory makes sense when put to light about De ja vue, but that's only a fraction of time within time.


Another theory of De ja vue I heard (I posted this once before so bear with me folks) is that they are "sign posts" to let you know you're life is on track. This is only believable if
A) you believe in reincarnation and
B) you believe you actually write an outline of your life prior to being born.

Since I do believe in these a bit, it made a lot of sense personally. I tend to have more bouts of De Ja Vue, when life seems to be content to me, and I feel like things are where they should. It's just an added sign to let me know I am where I am supposed to be in my life.

But we all know I'm a freak of nature Smiley: grin
#50 Jan 26 2005 at 11:14 AM Rating: Decent
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wonder why is it we remember and live now and do not have more glimpses of the past or future


It may be because the usual event are emotionally identical to waht were are feeling "now". So if you see lifetimes as overlapping, the similarities would most likly stop us from realizing anything different. in other words, because usually the same type of event are happening, we'll notice waht is right in front of us first, rather than waht is buried deeper.

The reason that I say "emotionally" is because I think that the mundane things in our past lives don't really matter too much. Whether I'm riding in my Pontiac or in my chariot, the concepts are still the same, thus our souls recognition of the event would be the same.

One could view this as our lifetimes repeating one another, but if indeed they are happening simultaniously; then this cannot be. The are each merely reflections of one another.


However, there is then the question of the growth of the soul.

If everything is happening at the same time, then how indeed do we grow as individuals? I think that question though requires belief in multiple layers of dimensional perception.
That is, perhaps the part of us that is on the surface of our souls; that is the part that grows... in which case that would mean that our eternal soul is actually just a road that our true selves travel on...... wow I'm having a revelation... That our soul is just a vehicle as well...... and our body is just another part of that vehicle, and that there is another deeper part of our being that is capable of transcending this entire cycle of existance......

I should go fix these computers now...... before I drive myselve insane with thought.....
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#51 Jan 26 2005 at 11:18 AM Rating: Good
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I would have to agree with the last two posts. I've never viewed time as linear and believe that all my 'lives' are occuring simultaneously. That is why, I believe, I hav dreams of 'past lives' that effect me so strongly. I think I feel attached and emotional about them because they are happening right now and even though I am not conciously aware of it on some deeper level I sense that connection. I don't want to bring religion into if I can help it but it has to do with my belief that God is not a single seperate entity above and beyond God's creation but that all things (you, me, this pen, a rock) are made of the very material Of God and are in essence God itself.

I've even had experiences where it seemed I had seen into another dimension/time and I think that one (emphasis on one) type of ghost is in actually not a ghost at all but the overlapping of realities allowing two completely live beings to see each other through the fabric of space/time and they just assume what they saw was a ghost. Hell maybe ghosts are alive and we are the dead ones and we scare them silly (although my idea of death is probably a lot different than most peoples so that might make no sense to you). Ok, I'm half asleep and probably making no sense. Time for some breakfast... Good luck and blessings, Prana
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