My friends and I debate this all the time. While I personally don't believe that dreams mean anything (too many years learning about how it actually works kind of kills the magic), it always interests me about how people look at them.
So, do you think they mean anything? Do you think they have static images that can be translated? Or is it all just a product of random electrons traveling down your neural pathways..
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I think dreams can not be pegged as one or the other. I think depending on the dream they can be a lot of things. I'm sure that a lot have to do with clearing out your mind from daily activities, but others I think are random images. I am not past believing some dreams have a grain of truth or precognition as well.
When I play my game a lot, there are many times I go to bed and dream that I am still playing. Or that I am actually in the game. Why? Probably because I've been sitting in front of myc omputer for a few hours and have the image in my mind as I go to sleep.
I have dreams of things that have absolutely nothing to do with my day or even my month. They are random sotries that are unique in their own way.
I have even had one or two dreams where a part of it came true. Nothing major, but just something I had remembered from my dream and having it happen.
I would love to know if people remember their dreams often and if they dream in color. Most people I know rarely remember their dreams. Every morning when I wake up I remmeber many dreams I had that night, including color. When I go to sleep it's more like I'm getting ready to watch an indie film.
When I play my game a lot, there are many times I go to bed and dream that I am still playing. Or that I am actually in the game. Why? Probably because I've been sitting in front of myc omputer for a few hours and have the image in my mind as I go to sleep.
I have dreams of things that have absolutely nothing to do with my day or even my month. They are random sotries that are unique in their own way.
I have even had one or two dreams where a part of it came true. Nothing major, but just something I had remembered from my dream and having it happen.
I would love to know if people remember their dreams often and if they dream in color. Most people I know rarely remember their dreams. Every morning when I wake up I remmeber many dreams I had that night, including color. When I go to sleep it's more like I'm getting ready to watch an indie film.
Wouldn't random electrons produce random sights,sounds,feelings?
In my experience dreams tend to follow a script or at least a theme. If it's thought patterns triggered by random impulses that doesn't make them any less real.
If I kick you in the nuts and you suddenly have an idea, it doesn't make the idea any less real because it followed my kicking your junk.
In my experience dreams tend to follow a script or at least a theme. If it's thought patterns triggered by random impulses that doesn't make them any less real.
If I kick you in the nuts and you suddenly have an idea, it doesn't make the idea any less real because it followed my kicking your junk.
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Bah, ***** all that. I just wish I could control them. Have any sites with actual info Scuba?
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Wouldn't random electrons produce random sights,sounds,feelings?
Not exactly.. the way our brain actually creates mental images isn't so much that it takes a photograph of a certain thing... it's more that it remembers general properties (color, shape, smell, texture). However, any of these properties can belong to any number of other things. That's why if you see a color splotch of orange, you normally will think of the fruit, or if you play a video game like max payne, you can tell that he's wearing a leather jacket.
The more your brain rehearses these (which is a pain to explain, look up "creb protein" and "super flies" for a good explanation) the more you are likely to remember them. However, if you constantly experience the same objects in a similar situation (such as in your house, at work, etc) you tend to remember the room, etc, and the sorts of activities that take place in them.
That is why most dreams aren't remembered. While everyone dreams every night, they often just drull on through regular every day events that you really have no urge to remember. It's the random events that actually can cause a dream to be memorable.
When the electrons randomly fire, they have a large chance of stimulating a neural pathway (called a memory trace) to cue up a situation at, oh, say your workplace where you are talking to your boss. Nothing out of the ordinary, so you forget about it.
But the electrons have a lower chance, but still a chance, of hitting a trace of a dinosaur, causing you to dream that you're being chased and running for your life. I hope it makes some sense.
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Bah, ***** all that. I just wish I could control them. Have any sites with actual info Scuba?
Let me know what kind of info you're looking for :)
If you're into controlling dreams, check out information about lucid dreaming... this is a good site to check out.
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That is why most dreams aren't remembered. While everyone dreams every night, they often just drull on through regular every day events that you really have no urge to remember. It's the random events that actually can cause a dream to be memorable.
Then why is it every night I remember many of my dreams? I know most people do not, but it's actually very rare for me to not remember them
I will second everything Lady DSD said. I often find myself dreaming inside a game I've been playing. Other times I dream about past places/events (I dream about variations of my elementary and high schools) or just random dream scenes that often play out like a movie. I do dream in color, with sound, feeling, emotion, etc. Almost everything except free will.
For those of you interested more in dreaming, I've a few books to recommend. "Creative Dreaming" by Patricia Garfield and "The Lucid Dreamer" by Malcolm Godwin. The latter of which has a lot of really neat pictures and illustrations.
For those of you interested more in dreaming, I've a few books to recommend. "Creative Dreaming" by Patricia Garfield and "The Lucid Dreamer" by Malcolm Godwin. The latter of which has a lot of really neat pictures and illustrations.
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
I'm thinking you may just be wierd lady! 
Seriously though, how I explained it above is the physiological explanation.. so there's probobly more to it. You could just be lucky enough to constantly have memory traces of random things stimulated.. who knows?
Another thing to remember is that everyone's brain works a little differently.. that's why different mental health drugs (like antidepressants) work for different people while others don't.
http://www.thebrain.mcgill.ca/flash/d/d_07/d_07_cr/d_07_cr_tra/d_07_cr_tra.html
That's another good site if you're interested in how memory works :) It's got a simple (lay man's) explanation, through professional explanations professionals. It's an excellent site in general.
Edited, Tue Jan 25 11:47:18 2005 by scubamage
Seriously though, how I explained it above is the physiological explanation.. so there's probobly more to it. You could just be lucky enough to constantly have memory traces of random things stimulated.. who knows? Another thing to remember is that everyone's brain works a little differently.. that's why different mental health drugs (like antidepressants) work for different people while others don't.
http://www.thebrain.mcgill.ca/flash/d/d_07/d_07_cr/d_07_cr_tra/d_07_cr_tra.html
That's another good site if you're interested in how memory works :) It's got a simple (lay man's) explanation, through professional explanations professionals. It's an excellent site in general.
Edited, Tue Jan 25 11:47:18 2005 by scubamage
HAHA! Does that mean my memory is better then the average Joe? Sadly, it doesn't work when I'm awake 
Some believe that the dreaming process is intended to "rehearse" scenarios, as Scuba pointed out, and to create or unlock certain neural pathways, as if the brain is practicing new techniques. Almost all mammals dream; this is rather obvious in dogs, as you can sometimes observe them sniffling, whimpering, or twitching in their sleep.
One thing I've observed about dreaming: marijuana usually suppresses dream recall (an obvious memory-related issue). Since I regularly toke up and usually fall asleep stoned, I don't often remember anything. If I'm clean for a few days, I start getting flooded with vivid dream imagery and eventually recall dreams whole.
One thing I've observed about dreaming: marijuana usually suppresses dream recall (an obvious memory-related issue). Since I regularly toke up and usually fall asleep stoned, I don't often remember anything. If I'm clean for a few days, I start getting flooded with vivid dream imagery and eventually recall dreams whole.
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
I think dreams, like any other part of reality, can show reflections of our mind and surroundings based on our personal interpretations. I think that these images and emotions that come through dreams can be used by our psyche in various theraputic ways as well.
But usually I find that they are nothing more than sub-conscious defecations of our minds. But that may just be because I chose to look at them that way..
..also due to the fact that I very seldom remember my dreams ever. (drawback to potheadedness)
But usually I find that they are nothing more than sub-conscious defecations of our minds. But that may just be because I chose to look at them that way..
..also due to the fact that I very seldom remember my dreams ever. (drawback to potheadedness)
I think it varies from dream to dream, as others have said. Sometimes it'll just be based on what you were last thinking/doing, sometimes be totally nonsensical, sometimes will seem to revolve around psychological issues, or even old forgotten memories. I don't get the sense that dreams are a fundamental aspect of our psychologies though.
Has anyone ever had lucid dreams? I've had like two, but neither lasted very long before I lost control of them. They were very cool, but I'd be afraid if I lucid dreamed a lot I couldn't tell if I was awake when I'm awake.
Oh, I dream in color and can remember my last dream always, and occasionally a couple dreams back. Used to keep a dream journal and that helped me remember a lot more, but it took too damn long to fill out.
Has anyone ever had lucid dreams? I've had like two, but neither lasted very long before I lost control of them. They were very cool, but I'd be afraid if I lucid dreamed a lot I couldn't tell if I was awake when I'm awake.
Oh, I dream in color and can remember my last dream always, and occasionally a couple dreams back. Used to keep a dream journal and that helped me remember a lot more, but it took too damn long to fill out.
I usually found that you'll dream of waht you havn't thought of. Like unexpected stuff..
One thing I've noticed that if you wake up in the morning..... stay awake for maybe 45 minutes and go back to sleep... you'll have some pretty vivid dreams.... somtimes the ones that you can control.... Although on alot of the controllable ones... it seems that you'll loose mobility after awhile..... it's like you're walking through mollassas.
Anyone ever have those controllable dreams where you can't move at all and are aware that you are asleep... and try to scream and stuff and then feels like you can't breathe??
maybe just me.
One thing I've noticed that if you wake up in the morning..... stay awake for maybe 45 minutes and go back to sleep... you'll have some pretty vivid dreams.... somtimes the ones that you can control.... Although on alot of the controllable ones... it seems that you'll loose mobility after awhile..... it's like you're walking through mollassas.
Anyone ever have those controllable dreams where you can't move at all and are aware that you are asleep... and try to scream and stuff and then feels like you can't breathe??
maybe just me.
Oh no someone made a dream thread, why am I not suprised that Kelvy found his way here 
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Anyone ever have those controllable dreams where you can't move at all and are aware that you are asleep... and try to scream and stuff and then feels like you can't breathe??
maybe just me.
maybe just me.
No, but I have had times where I believe I am awake, but I can't move, and I have a feeling of intense fear.
I heard this explained once, but it only sounds valid if you believe in oob experiences. Something to do with the soul returning to the body and the body subconciously freaks out, thinking its dying. Not sure how much of that I believe or not. The jurys still out on that one
Dreaming comes in cycles of sleep depths. In these cycles, that generally last 40-50 minutes, you start by falling into a deep, quiet sleep which is very restful but does not produce dreams. Dreams happen near the end of the cycle when you start to come out of the deep sleep and to a near-waking state. The longer you sleep, the longer these "surfacing" or dreaming states last, up to half an hour at a time. This explains Kelvy's morning dreaming, since by that point you're in the long phases of the dreaming cycle and, having woken up in the middle, your mind is more conscious of the dreaming and can be "prepped" for recall/lucidity when you do go back to sleep.
The reason people wake up "paralyzed" is because the brain shuts down the nervous system to prevent movement during sleep. If it didn't, your body would start reacting to whatever you're dreaming. Sometimes you just wake up before the brain can switch it back on.
Sleepwalking appears to be a disorder in this function, but from what I've read it's not directly related to dreaming. Sleepwalking seems to happen in the "deep" sleeping phases, with no REM (rapid-eye movement) or dreaming apparent.
The reason people wake up "paralyzed" is because the brain shuts down the nervous system to prevent movement during sleep. If it didn't, your body would start reacting to whatever you're dreaming. Sometimes you just wake up before the brain can switch it back on.
Sleepwalking appears to be a disorder in this function, but from what I've read it's not directly related to dreaming. Sleepwalking seems to happen in the "deep" sleeping phases, with no REM (rapid-eye movement) or dreaming apparent.
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
That makes much more sense to me Deb. Thank you.
By the way, has anyone ever taken Valerian to help them sleep, only to have the most vivid and bizarre dreams? It's like what I would think of dreaming on acid. Very colorful, very weird, and you wake up going "whoa"
By the way, has anyone ever taken Valerian to help them sleep, only to have the most vivid and bizarre dreams? It's like what I would think of dreaming on acid. Very colorful, very weird, and you wake up going "whoa"
I've always gotten the herbal pills. The normal dosage is 2-4. I take 3. So it's still within the recomended dosage
I to remember several dreams a night. Although in some dreams i do have control, as for the molassis part i have never experianced that before. At times when i am fighting i feel as i am in slow motion and it gets very aggravating.
Each night some how all of the dreams i have come to have the same base line but everything changes, people, place and even era (I think too much fiction). Say i came back to my house and i saw the door was open i whip out my pistol and start to do the whole James Bond intro. POOF. I am in the Europe weilding a sword back in the dark ages, doing the same thing but to a castle.
I don't ever get a full nights sleep either. As for deep sleep i don't think i have been in a deep sleep that hasn't been drug(prescribed) enduced scence 2002. I always never fails to wake up every time i roll over. Due to the injuries i have accued.
Which would lead me to beleave that the statment of dreams only happening while comming out of a deep sleep or being in a light sleep would prove true for me.
Still as for the op, i have had a lot of my dreams mean absolutely nothing and then on the other hand i have had some that were truth bering. The ones that have truth behind them i don't even realize this till after something happens then i realize that i have had a dream about this.
Each night some how all of the dreams i have come to have the same base line but everything changes, people, place and even era (I think too much fiction). Say i came back to my house and i saw the door was open i whip out my pistol and start to do the whole James Bond intro. POOF. I am in the Europe weilding a sword back in the dark ages, doing the same thing but to a castle.
I don't ever get a full nights sleep either. As for deep sleep i don't think i have been in a deep sleep that hasn't been drug(prescribed) enduced scence 2002. I always never fails to wake up every time i roll over. Due to the injuries i have accued.
Which would lead me to beleave that the statment of dreams only happening while comming out of a deep sleep or being in a light sleep would prove true for me.
Still as for the op, i have had a lot of my dreams mean absolutely nothing and then on the other hand i have had some that were truth bering. The ones that have truth behind them i don't even realize this till after something happens then i realize that i have had a dream about this.
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Say i came back to my house and i saw the door was open i whip out my pistol and start to do the whole James Bond intro. POOF. I am in the Europe weilding a sword back in the dark ages, doing the same thing but to a castle.
Sounds like you just watched "Die Another Day"
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I don't ever get a full nights sleep either. As for deep sleep i don't think i have been in a deep sleep that hasn't been drug(prescribed) enduced scence 2002. I always never fails to wake up every time i roll over. Due to the injuries i have accued.
Which would lead me to beleave that the statment of dreams only happening while comming out of a deep sleep or being in a light sleep would prove true for me.
Which would lead me to beleave that the statment of dreams only happening while comming out of a deep sleep or being in a light sleep would prove true for me.
That is entirely plausable, since your sleep pattern would always remain "near waking". Some sort of head trauma perhaps?
Edited, Tue Jan 25 14:57:58 2005 by Debalic
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
I wish I had a link, but I dont on this, but my husband mentioned the other week that there is a guy in Europe who has not slept a wink in 20 years, with no ill effects. Anyone else hear about this guy?
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I wish I had a link, but I dont on this, but my husband mentioned the other week that there is a guy in Europe who has not slept a wink in 20 years, with no ill effects. Anyone else hear about this guy?
I haven't heard anything about that guy, but thats pretty hard to believe considering what happens to the psyche when it misses out on REM.
Maybe his brain has adjusted and he goes into the state while remaining physically awake?
found a link
Ukrainian hasn't slept in 20 years
Ukrainian hasn't slept in 20 years
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A 63-year-old man who hasn't slept for more than two decades has been told there is nothing wrong with him by doctors.
Ukrainian Fyodor Nesterchuk from the town of Kamen-Kashirsky said the last time he managed to doze off was more than 20 years ago.....
Ukrainian Fyodor Nesterchuk from the town of Kamen-Kashirsky said the last time he managed to doze off was more than 20 years ago.....
I've definately had the "mollasses thing" happen to me. Whenever I try to run from something(when I'm lucid)I move really slowly and it kind of feels like there isn't any gravity.
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