Question on Christianity (no not a rant, just a nice querry)Follow

*cackle* No if the creator was somehow able to hide out in Austin Powers' balls, it would be because his ******* was made of 'divine cloth' - if you tore it open you'd break the seal and allow all of creation to be undone in an instant by the amazing brilliance.

That's also one of the reasons that 'proof' won't be coming anytime soon to the populace - 'proof' means experiencing it directly. Divinity in its raw form is far too powerful for physical reality to witness directly... it's like power from a nuclear plant - you need to step the voltage down a LOT before you can actually use it at home. Try to use the raw half million volt feed coming from the power plant and you would explode like a 'Gremlin in a microwave'. Same concept...



Not at all... you just won't get to the truth by reading a King James version of Genesis... try it in Hebrew though and the light bulb WILL come on. (No I don't speak Hebrew - but I know what it says differently than King James, et al)

/em senses Kelvy preparing the gag. :D

Edited, Fri Jan 21 18:06:59 2005 by Mindwalker

I've stopped keeping up with it too. The first 6 books were the best, anyway.

Thank you, Kelvy, for giving me the best mental image of the day!

I'm thinking eternal air hockey tournaments and arm wrestling matches.

Oh my, such an innovative and groundbreaking statement!

For a disillusioned thirteen year old who's mad his mom made him go to Sunday School

Gotta love a guy who makes a statement, but gives you no clue whatsoever who, in a 2 page long thread, he is replying to. Good Job.

Largely inaccurate?

You know, it's too bad I'm over all the Jr. High School " I'm better than you are" BS that occurs on these threads, or I might just have to flame you. Yawn.

I don't get involved in flame wars, because they are childish. If you want to feel superior and attempt to hurt my pschye by flaming, go right ahead. I'll just continue laughing at the immaturity that is so rampant on the Net these days. Why would I bother to post sources? Anyone with enough brains to have an internet connection, should have enough brains to go looking through google or AOLSearch or whatever, and make up thier own minds about reality, rather than blindly following the teachings of a bunch of mis-guided Clerics. I could sit here and talk about all the inconsistancies in most religous doctrines, or I could point out that fact of all the various mis-translations, and blantant self-serving rewrittings by high level pontiffs, from the originals. I could point out how funny it is that we put people in Mental Institutions for hearing voices, unless that voice claims to be God, and then we give them a TV show. But you know, it's saturday, my only real day off during the week, and I just don't have the time or the patience to sit here and try and educate people.

Yes, largely inaccurate.

Which is too bad since it'd almost have to be better reading than your Jr. High School "Look at my bad self talking trash about religion!" spiel.

Really? Every religion, everywhere? Native American shamanistic practices and ceremonies are designed to make their practicioners weak-willed? Orthadox Judaic teachings that everyone has the same afterlife regarless of how they lived are designed to keep people in check with promises of a desirable afterlife? Gnostic principles that one is saved only through the desire and quest for knowledge and wisdom are designed to keep the masses uneduacted? Well, I'll be damned.

Go back and take a look at the Islamic Middle East at the same time which was the very flower of enlightenment and learning in the arts and sciences. Stuff about the serfs' living conditions is more a discussion of the feudal system of the Middle Ages and is more a topic of economics than it is religion. While religion was an important part of Mideval European life, the feudal system kings, nobility and peasant class would have almost certainly existed without it. The idea of owning large tracts of land and getting people to pay you for the privledge of living on them and working them was nothing new and didn't stop with feudal Europe. Funny that you don't mention the European Renaissance and the various advances in architecture, enginnering, art and biological science that accompanied it. Some of which were Church funded and some of which happened in spite of the Church but regardless didn't end up with Copernicus being burned as a witch when he dedicated his work on heliocentric theory to the Pope.

Not every religion claims to be the only truth nor does every religion teach that its truth leads you to any sort of salvation.

In short, you have a bunch of complaints about the Christian (notably Catholic) Church (and not even the actual scriptures but the mechanics of the leadership) and turned them into a misinformed rant about religion as a whole and made yourself look stupid in the process. Congratulations. That's not to say that there hasn't been plenty of wrongs done in the name of various deities throughout history. But making blanket statements as you did makes you look petty and uniformed.

On the same note your also saying that Budhism is a relgion of weak mind.


Seeing as how its completely centered on enlightening one self both physically and spiritually I dont understand.

If you actually look at history youll see that leaders or great men who did not practice some sort of religion usually were unstable.

Take for example King Henry VIII who decided to tell the church to GFY themselves. Sent the kingdom into a uprisal and be headed eight wives. But in your rational he was a strong person.

You do know that Einstein himself was relgious and believed in god right? Religion is supposed to be a personal relationship that you have with your diety, dieties, etc.....

If your someone that aethist, then that is fine. But aknowledge that you are also in a way making a religion of not beleiving in a god.

I've got my own question right here.

How was Jesus's dieing saving anyone?

Never understood that.... And nif biblical versus are put into response please don't just leave it at that, explain it to me. That stuff is beyond confusing in my opinion.

Edit: Another question. Why does the Christian God care? Really. CARE. Why does this omnipotent omnipresent being who is so far beyond us even care about us? It's like a human caring for the welfare of the bugs he might step on when he walks to his car. And even that comparrison is a bad one because humans and ants are both mortal and not omnipotent/omnipresent. So.... ^^

^_^

- Weatherwax

Edited, Sat Jan 22 21:53:36 2005 by Weatherwax

Old Testament scripture explains that atonement for sin comes from blood sacrifice as well as repentance. In the Old Testament books of Law (called the Torah), it lays out that when you've sinned, you're supposed to go to Temple and offer something as a sacrifice, typically an unblemished dove or lamb. The animal would be sacrificed and it was through its blood that you would be cleansed of your sin. I'll admit that it sounds unpleasant and if you want to rant about how mean God is for making little birds and lambs die for the sins of the people, go for it. I imagine the upshot is that atonement isn't meant to be a fun experience.

Anyway, Jesus came to cap off the Law by acting as an ultimate sacrifice, hence the term "Lamb of God". As a previous poster pointed out, no typical human could have filled the function because men are sinful and thusly not unblemished. Jesus lived a life without sin despite the temptations around him, both in everyday life and directly in instances such as Satan offering him power and times when Jesus knew that those he loved would betray him (Judas, Peter denying knowledge of Christ) even as he was led off to torture and death. Jesus says at one point that he could turn away from his task at any given time, that he could call for a host of angels to rescue him from the cross but he refuses to do so even though he doesn't want to be killed (again, the Gospels describe him the night before his arrest praying and asking God to take his task away from him). When he finally died (and he did not die happily as shown when he cries out on the cross "My God, why have you forsaken me?") his was the sacrifice that would allow man to be freed of their sin, not by continuing to sacrifice animals at the Temple in accordance to the Law but rather by acknowledging the sacrifice of Jesus as the fulfillment of the Law.