First off, I want to make the fact clear that this is NOT a OMGLOL teh cri$ti4ns are teh sux0r thread!!!!1111eleventytwo. I do not hate christianity, nor christians in general. I simply have a question concerning a main tenet of the religion.
Alright, on to point...
I am to understand that pretty much the entire focus of christianity is based in forgivness for our sins, since humans were apparently to innately sinful to be able to carry out God's wishes in the first place. I am to understand that this christian God is a very kind and forgiving god, despite what we may have done, we are able to be forgiven.
My question is this (finally)
If this "God" is so forgiving and so loving and so caring about his creation, than why can't he forgive non-belief?
From what I can tell from the accounts of my christian freinds, a complete fu[/u]ckwit would be admitted into eternal salvation if he did nothing more than make a vow that he believed in ol' jeebus.
This is basicly the only problem I really have with christianity, is that despite my actions, despite all of my kindness and works and duties and generally trying to be a good decent person to those around me, despite however much I help or care for people, I am barred from "heaven" for a simple disbelief.
There just seems to be somthing illogical about this to me. That one can apparently be a complete bloody fu[/u]cking ******* in real life and still be "saved" as long as one suddenly see some truth and beg for forgiveness, while I on the other hand, actually try to lead a good, kind life, will be damned forever for, not my deeds, but my words.
My reasons for disbelief are not pertenint in this particular thread, that would be a whole other subject. i just can't accept the idea that a loving(supposedly anyway) god could damn or save someone for thier words and not deeds.
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John 11:25
"Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies"
John 6:35
"Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never go hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty."
That pretty much sums it up.
Edited, Thu Jan 20 21:35:27 2005 by Barretboy
"Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies"
John 6:35
"Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never go hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty."
That pretty much sums it up.
Edited, Thu Jan 20 21:35:27 2005 by Barretboy
You need to stop personifying God.
and stop thinking of Heaven as any "place" like you can understand it.
Your getting into this "afterlife" that you seek would logically require your "eyes" to be open. Otherwise you don't know "where" you might end up as your "soul" wanders blindly throughout the chaos of the timeless world beyond.
Christianity is one of the things that can help to guide you to a "place" in the afterlife. It is like a beacon in the storm. One of many beacons if you ask me.
But rest assured, try to ride the storm blind, you'll wash right back up on shore.
and stop thinking of Heaven as any "place" like you can understand it.
Your getting into this "afterlife" that you seek would logically require your "eyes" to be open. Otherwise you don't know "where" you might end up as your "soul" wanders blindly throughout the chaos of the timeless world beyond.
Christianity is one of the things that can help to guide you to a "place" in the afterlife. It is like a beacon in the storm. One of many beacons if you ask me.
But rest assured, try to ride the storm blind, you'll wash right back up on shore.
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I agree.
What I don't understand is this. If God is supposed to be good in all ways. All mighty and powerful untainted pure good mojo... the what would God care what we beleived in so long as good acts were done? If an act of goodness is done then who cares in whose name it was done for? To me the need to take the credit for a good action is pride. Pride is one of the seven deadly sins is it not? If God demands that good acts can only be acknowledged as good if the performer of such acts believes in him would not God be committing a sin?
I find it easier to beleive that God is infallable and that man has warped religion for personal power and to control the masses. Hence I do not beleive in religious institutions. I also do not beleive in the "Faith" classes offered at the local catholic school. (one of my ex-girlfriends mothers taught faith) How can a person be taught faith? This is just stupid.
Finally to Quote the great geourge Carlin.
"The church is against abortion and against homosexuals. Well who has less abortions than homosexuals? You would think they would make natural allies"
"pfft life is sacred. Who says? God? A look at history tells us that God is a leading cause of death. Has been for thousands of years. Millions, millions of dead ************* all because they gave the wrong answer to the God question.
Do you beleive in God? No, dead.
Do you beleive in God? Yes. Do you beleive in my God? No dead. My God had a bigger d*ck than your god."
What I don't understand is this. If God is supposed to be good in all ways. All mighty and powerful untainted pure good mojo... the what would God care what we beleived in so long as good acts were done? If an act of goodness is done then who cares in whose name it was done for? To me the need to take the credit for a good action is pride. Pride is one of the seven deadly sins is it not? If God demands that good acts can only be acknowledged as good if the performer of such acts believes in him would not God be committing a sin?
I find it easier to beleive that God is infallable and that man has warped religion for personal power and to control the masses. Hence I do not beleive in religious institutions. I also do not beleive in the "Faith" classes offered at the local catholic school. (one of my ex-girlfriends mothers taught faith) How can a person be taught faith? This is just stupid.
Finally to Quote the great geourge Carlin.
"The church is against abortion and against homosexuals. Well who has less abortions than homosexuals? You would think they would make natural allies"
"pfft life is sacred. Who says? God? A look at history tells us that God is a leading cause of death. Has been for thousands of years. Millions, millions of dead ************* all because they gave the wrong answer to the God question.
Do you beleive in God? No, dead.
Do you beleive in God? Yes. Do you beleive in my God? No dead. My God had a bigger d*ck than your god."
Pensive wrote:
My reasons for disbelief are not pertenint in this particular thread, that would be a whole other subject. i just can't accept the idea that a loving(supposedly anyway) god could damn or save someone for thier words and not deeds.
Yeah, that's pretty revolting to me too. Not a reason I don't believe in Christianity, but a reason I believe it's pretty wacky. Though, the same could be said for any number of other "my way or the highway" religions.
The way I see it, I'm a good guy most of the time, probably follow the tenets of Christianity pretty well, surely as much as most Christians. If the only thing precluding me from going to Heaven is the worship of God, then that's a God I don't need to save me, because he's an egotistical sort of fellow. Demanding the flocks do good deeds and follow general doctrine is one thing; demanding the flocks worship you above all others--too cultish for my tastes.
Throwing a question back to you. If you don't believe, do you really care what they think? Does it matter? I know you're loooking for answers more objectively, but if you do not believe in God and Jesus, then their opnions of you should not matter.
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"we have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God"
though we did good things sin is sin. God by being a creature of pure light and good CANNOT be in the presence of sin.
Yet God hates and and is saddend beyond beleif when a sinner goes to hell THAT is the reason why he sent jesus to die,
"John 3:16 For god so loved the world he sent his only son to die that we may live"
that is the greatest act of love, And to the poster don't try and sound smart when you probably have never even read or heard a scripture
arr, If you wouldn't mind... would you please say what exact book/verse in the bible that SAYS that god killed ppl because they didn't get the million dollar question right?
and like I said God HATES to send ppl to hell but he must, even GOD has rules.
though we did good things sin is sin. God by being a creature of pure light and good CANNOT be in the presence of sin.
Yet God hates and and is saddend beyond beleif when a sinner goes to hell THAT is the reason why he sent jesus to die,
"John 3:16 For god so loved the world he sent his only son to die that we may live"
that is the greatest act of love, And to the poster don't try and sound smart when you probably have never even read or heard a scripture
arr, If you wouldn't mind... would you please say what exact book/verse in the bible that SAYS that god killed ppl because they didn't get the million dollar question right?
and like I said God HATES to send ppl to hell but he must, even GOD has rules.
I wrote this in OOT but it wronfully got buried.
Guess I'll slap it in here, but I'll change the work "Ghost" to "God".
Even though you should still stop personifying it. Jesus Christ is the personification, the point of him is that anything you need to know to live a good life and death, you can learn from watching him. Can you deny it?
anyway
I think God and other such things aren't meant to be "realized".
Imagine waht would happen if concrete proof came about to prove the existance of an afterlife. Think of the effect that that knowledge would have on society.
True, religious people and new-agers claim that they believe, but let's face it, the majority of our race doesn't really care, usually because they Know that these things cannot be proven, so they figure; why bother.
Our lives on this earth are designed to test us down to the very fabric of our soul. If you were to be proven to that ghosts and spirits were reality, then waht would be the fun of wondering and thinking about such things. It would be just another science class that you didn't take in college and a class that kids would fall asleep in before lunchbreak.
FAith is waht keeps some of us going. The unknown is waht makes life worth living IMHO. Sure I claim to have seen ghosts and spirits and other things, but I still don't discount that I could just be crazy and fooling myself. In the same sence I cannot 100% believe that the everyday reality that we all experience isn't somthing else that we don't imagine..
You don't know. In the tradition of William Blake; there are things that we know and things that we don't. It is the line between those that matters. Waht we do not know is Infinate and waht we do know is Finate. Why limit yourself to stick with the the finate and closing the door to the unknown. Think of how much they didn't know 50 years ago, or 1000 years ago.... or better yet, think of all the things that they Thought they know and were dead wrong about. Why should us today be any different. Because we're that much more advanced? wahtever.. how much more advnaced were the Franks to the Romans, the Romans to the Gauls..... or better yet, think about how the Ancient Romans were more advanced than people in 9th century Europe.. They medieval Europeans were limiting themselves, thus where they were in technology is where they have lead themselves to be. I ask you, how might we be limiting ourselves Today without even knowing it?
Think of all the wierd little tribes that know things about medicine and the like than We do. Think of ancient Americans that knew more about Astonomy than most others and didn't even use the simple Wheel. People are so prone to attach the label of mental superiority based on gadgets and toys made to alleviate our laziness with the silver lining of productivity.
There are other measures.
The greatest technology cannot achieve the lifting the yokes of greed, war, and pity. You can build all the tanks and typewiters you want, it won't make a differnce. There are other "breakthroughs" that we need to make. We're so caught up in the maelstrom of our own vainglorious wonders of size and speed, that we forget about the rest of existence. The part of existence that you can't see with your eyes or taste with your tongue. The world within, that you are part of, in your mind. Your body is only your earthly manifestation. Your mind and everyone elses are part of a world that operate on totally different sets of protocols. Which we know sh*t about. period.
So all of this sh*t that people denounce because it doesn't fit into the Earthly and scientific sceme of things is in existance none the less. If it wasn't we wouldn't think about it. know waht I mean?
So to utterly discount things that we don't understand is only thinking with Half your Brain. IMHO
This a rant about sceptisism.
Guess I'll slap it in here, but I'll change the work "Ghost" to "God".
Even though you should still stop personifying it. Jesus Christ is the personification, the point of him is that anything you need to know to live a good life and death, you can learn from watching him. Can you deny it?
anyway
I think God and other such things aren't meant to be "realized".
Imagine waht would happen if concrete proof came about to prove the existance of an afterlife. Think of the effect that that knowledge would have on society.
True, religious people and new-agers claim that they believe, but let's face it, the majority of our race doesn't really care, usually because they Know that these things cannot be proven, so they figure; why bother.
Our lives on this earth are designed to test us down to the very fabric of our soul. If you were to be proven to that ghosts and spirits were reality, then waht would be the fun of wondering and thinking about such things. It would be just another science class that you didn't take in college and a class that kids would fall asleep in before lunchbreak.
FAith is waht keeps some of us going. The unknown is waht makes life worth living IMHO. Sure I claim to have seen ghosts and spirits and other things, but I still don't discount that I could just be crazy and fooling myself. In the same sence I cannot 100% believe that the everyday reality that we all experience isn't somthing else that we don't imagine..
You don't know. In the tradition of William Blake; there are things that we know and things that we don't. It is the line between those that matters. Waht we do not know is Infinate and waht we do know is Finate. Why limit yourself to stick with the the finate and closing the door to the unknown. Think of how much they didn't know 50 years ago, or 1000 years ago.... or better yet, think of all the things that they Thought they know and were dead wrong about. Why should us today be any different. Because we're that much more advanced? wahtever.. how much more advnaced were the Franks to the Romans, the Romans to the Gauls..... or better yet, think about how the Ancient Romans were more advanced than people in 9th century Europe.. They medieval Europeans were limiting themselves, thus where they were in technology is where they have lead themselves to be. I ask you, how might we be limiting ourselves Today without even knowing it?
Think of all the wierd little tribes that know things about medicine and the like than We do. Think of ancient Americans that knew more about Astonomy than most others and didn't even use the simple Wheel. People are so prone to attach the label of mental superiority based on gadgets and toys made to alleviate our laziness with the silver lining of productivity.
There are other measures.
The greatest technology cannot achieve the lifting the yokes of greed, war, and pity. You can build all the tanks and typewiters you want, it won't make a differnce. There are other "breakthroughs" that we need to make. We're so caught up in the maelstrom of our own vainglorious wonders of size and speed, that we forget about the rest of existence. The part of existence that you can't see with your eyes or taste with your tongue. The world within, that you are part of, in your mind. Your body is only your earthly manifestation. Your mind and everyone elses are part of a world that operate on totally different sets of protocols. Which we know sh*t about. period.
So all of this sh*t that people denounce because it doesn't fit into the Earthly and scientific sceme of things is in existance none the less. If it wasn't we wouldn't think about it. know waht I mean?
So to utterly discount things that we don't understand is only thinking with Half your Brain. IMHO
This a rant about sceptisism.
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John 11:25
"Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies"
John 6:35
"Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never go hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty."
"Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies"
John 6:35
"Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never go hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty."
well that's cool and all, but in response, let me direct you to this
Sir Kelvyquayo...
I agree. I did not say I did not believe in god, I am a pantheist if one must carry a banner, and believe in a pervading force that exists in everything.
My problem is not with god, but with God, specificly the christian god.. I do not like to personify god; It is just, in my discussions with the christian freinds I do have, god always, unfortunately, did seem to be personified.
Lady Deadsidedemon, excellent point, but the truth is, I don't really care for the opinions. I just can't but help think that there is more to the religion than that. Basicly, I am trying to hear the other side's point of view and an explaination as to this seeming inconsistency.
I just simply don't understand how a loving god could punish, based on what I percieve at any rate, to be words and not deeds.
I think you're thinking too much into it.
But I Do know waht you're getting at.
It's like "If Jesus knew that heaven was waiting, and heaven is this big paradice, then where is the big sacrifice?"
But I Do know waht you're getting at.
It's like "If Jesus knew that heaven was waiting, and heaven is this big paradice, then where is the big sacrifice?"
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This is basicly the only problem I really have with christianity, is that despite my actions, despite all of my kindness and works and duties and generally trying to be a good decent person to those around me, despite however much I help or care for people, I am barred from "heaven" for a simple disbelief.
If really want to think about, Jesus tells a story where he says "Anything you do for the least of my brothers, you do for me" (To damned lazy look up the exact verse.) If you're doing something for Jesus, then you must believe he's not a phony. Then, considering Christians consider everyone to be in God's family, any good deed you do for someone is essentially saying you believe in jesus, even if you don't admit. So according to their own bible, any good person gets into heaven, even if you don't go to mass every sunday and carry out your landlady's garbage.
So no hell for good people.
Kelvyquayo the Hand wrote:
I think God and other such things aren't meant to be "realized".
Imagine waht would happen if concrete proof came about to prove the existance of an afterlife. Think of the effect that that knowledge would have on society.
Imagine waht would happen if concrete proof came about to prove the existance of an afterlife. Think of the effect that that knowledge would have on society.
But if a higher power can't or won't offer definitive proof of itself, how are we supposed to decide between the thousands of religions? Many of which are like Christianity in that they're mutually exclusive, and if you don't worship them you're damned to Hell as a sinner.
There is no majority religion on Earth, meaning most of Earth's inhabitants will not be "saved". If I were making a Universe, I'd either go by deeds alone to prove worth, or I'd make it VERY clear that I was the only party in town and the way to Heaven or whatever was strictly through me. IMO producing a book, son, and religion alone is not enough to do this, with the many competing religions out there being just as sure of themselves.
Perhaps this all comes down to the failing of man to convey the message of God (or of Siva, or Metatron, or Teharonhiawagon) in such a way as to make it crystal clear to others that their god is The God. Either way, since there's such unsurety, since I don't have faith, and since no matter which I pick the odds are against me, I see no reason to actively seek faith via religion. Doesn't seem like a good risk vs. reward system.
I type so slowly ;_;
I would like to take exception to this
1) I do not EVER "try" and make myself sound smart. It is a consequence of my writing style, that I tend to use long complex sentences that can easily ramble into next year, with occasionally pedantic vocabulary; I think if homer had not done it already I might would have invented the homeric simile : ) but that's another topic
2) No, I have not read a ton of scripture in my life, I've been exposed to some of the major ones, but nothing too serious. I am not referring to the scripture in this case, but rather the general philosophy that I percieve not only in manner, but also in words, when I talk to people of religion. I have been told before, essentially verbatum, that not answering this million dollar question correctly would lead me to hell. I am aware that not all christians think the same, but it has been enough of a trend that I thought to mention it.
Naw, although it is an argument I've employed, its a different subject entirely. I just don't get why a person that has been evil all thier life can up and accept jeesus on thier deathbed and be sent to heaven, while the non-believers that lead good lives are automaticly condemned.
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Oh yes, thank you all for responding.
Edited, Thu Jan 20 22:22:21 2005 by Pensive
I would like to take exception to this
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that is the greatest act of love, And to the poster don't try and sound smart when you probably have never even read or heard a scripture
1) I do not EVER "try" and make myself sound smart. It is a consequence of my writing style, that I tend to use long complex sentences that can easily ramble into next year, with occasionally pedantic vocabulary; I think if homer had not done it already I might would have invented the homeric simile : ) but that's another topic
2) No, I have not read a ton of scripture in my life, I've been exposed to some of the major ones, but nothing too serious. I am not referring to the scripture in this case, but rather the general philosophy that I percieve not only in manner, but also in words, when I talk to people of religion. I have been told before, essentially verbatum, that not answering this million dollar question correctly would lead me to hell. I am aware that not all christians think the same, but it has been enough of a trend that I thought to mention it.
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It's like "If Jesus knew that heaven was waiting, and heaven is this big paradice, then where is the big sacrifice?"
Naw, although it is an argument I've employed, its a different subject entirely. I just don't get why a person that has been evil all thier life can up and accept jeesus on thier deathbed and be sent to heaven, while the non-believers that lead good lives are automaticly condemned.
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Oh yes, thank you all for responding.
Edited, Thu Jan 20 22:22:21 2005 by Pensive
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If this "God" is so forgiving and so loving and so caring about his creation, than why can't he forgive non-belief?
From what I can tell from the accounts of my christian freinds, a complete ******* would be admitted into eternal salvation if he did nothing more than make a vow that he believed in ol' jeebus.
From what I can tell from the accounts of my christian freinds, a complete ******* would be admitted into eternal salvation if he did nothing more than make a vow that he believed in ol' jeebus.
If your brother sins, rebuke him, and and if he repents, forgive him. If he sins against you seven times a day, and seven times comes back and to you and says "I repent", forgive him. -- Luke 17:3b-4
I'll assume here that a deity such as the Christian God is represented to be, would know if your repentance was sincere or just lip service.
"But what if I live my whole life evil and on my deathbed I sincerely repent?!" -- Then, if your repentance was sincere and you died a second later, you would (according to the Bible) be saved*. In Matthew is the parable of the vineyard workers where a rich man hires workers for a day's work and promises to pay them a denarius. Towards the end of the day he hires some extra workers. At the end of the day, he pays everyone a denarius and the morning workers complain saying they deserved more because they had been working longer.
But he answered to them, "Friend, I am not being unfair to you. Didn't you agree to work for a denarius? Take your pay and go. I want to give to the man who was hired last the same I gave you. Don't I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?"
Likewise, the reward for dying while living a righteous life is Heaven, whether you've been living that life for fifty years or five minutes. But if you never repent from your sin, you don't enter.
I guess the bottom line is, as the parable says, it's God's money and God's right to pay it out under whatever rules he wishes. You complaining about what is fair or unfair isn't really relevant to what obligations God puts on those who wish to be saved.
*Some may argue that baptism is required. I'm avoiding that whole arguement.
Disclaimer: I am not a practicing Christian. My intention in answering questions is to explain the Christian model using the Bible to support my arguements and points. My intention is not to evangelize nor to convert.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
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But if a higher power can't or won't offer definitive proof of itself, how are we supposed to decide between the thousands of religions?
Still personifying.
You act as though the sky is filled with all these different super-powerful beings that are constantly competing to get us to join their club.
In truth, it is People that are trying to get you to join Their clubs.
But with Personification, if that is your minds only method of percieving the Divine Force that is God, then that's that.
however as I have said before, Jesus is a concept that offers God and Man (and holy spirit, but that another argument) in one neat package.
Think about the Greek gods. Personified forces of nature and the like.
In out time we are advanced enough to not need to do that. We only try to personify the concept itself.
There are plenty of belief systems that don't involve giving God a visual form.
Thank you Jophiel. Well thought out as always. I was wondering about that myself, and had supposed that I had heard or interpreted somthing incorrectly, which is why I was so amazed in the first place of the idea of word being the sole entrance to heaven.
Just for the record, that wasn't me personifying it that time ~_^
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Still personifying
Just for the record, that wasn't me personifying it that time ~_^
I meant people in general.
Kelvyquayo the Hand wrote:
Still personifying.
With your allusion to Jesus I assumed you weren't speaking in a Unitarian or Deist sense, but rather specific to a Judeo-Christian mythos.
Sure, I don't need to pick a specific higher power, but I'm trying to center my responses around pensive's original qualms, that of a specific religion. Sorry if I misunderstood your post.
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My intention is not to evangelize nor to convert.
y'know it doesn't stop you from being a conduit.
I don't have a particular religon, but I do believe in a higher power.
I imagine hell as a TV with only one channel, static.
And heaven is 24/7 ****.
I imagine hell as a TV with only one channel, static.
And heaven is 24/7 ****.
↓His opinion is ****.↓
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Pensive wrote:
The thing about quoting the Bible is, it's most of what we have to go on. I personally believe the Bible, and that the word of God is contained in it, so what is in the Bible guides my life. I believe that the Lord came down to make God's love known to us in a way that we can understand. So that's why I think that quoting the Bible DOES count.
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Jophiel, That was one of the best put together arguments i've ever heard in this forum, and even thought you aren't a practicing Christian, I appreciate focusing in on that point for some of us.
Edited, Thu Jan 20 23:44:26 2005 by Barretboy
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well that's cool and all, but in response, let me direct you to this
The thing about quoting the Bible is, it's most of what we have to go on. I personally believe the Bible, and that the word of God is contained in it, so what is in the Bible guides my life. I believe that the Lord came down to make God's love known to us in a way that we can understand. So that's why I think that quoting the Bible DOES count.
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Jophiel, That was one of the best put together arguments i've ever heard in this forum, and even thought you aren't a practicing Christian, I appreciate focusing in on that point for some of us.
Edited, Thu Jan 20 23:44:26 2005 by Barretboy
Aww don't worry about it too much. I just like to have any reason to quote Men In Hats : )
I am a Buddhist myself, and we have our own 'incentive' to behave. It does not really bother me if I don't get to interact with Christian/Hindu/whatever other religion's Heaven/Hell in my afterlife.
Being that other religions have their own version of hell and heaven, do you get split up when you die? (Like, part of you goes to Buddhist heaven, being a good Buddhist, and part of you goes to Christian hell, just cause you're not a Christian?)
Point to ponder...
Being that other religions have their own version of hell and heaven, do you get split up when you die? (Like, part of you goes to Buddhist heaven, being a good Buddhist, and part of you goes to Christian hell, just cause you're not a Christian?)
Point to ponder...
<Drags the Dead horse out to his back yard>
<Hoses the rotting flesh off the Dead Horse>
<Whips the Dead Horse a few times, whilst dragging its pungent smelling, maggot ridden corpse around the back yard>
<Puts the Dead Horse back in its box, under the stairs>
Woot another "Christianity?" thread...
<runs off to start another "political" thread>
Edited, Sat Jan 22 00:32:53 2005 by lagduff
<Hoses the rotting flesh off the Dead Horse>
<Whips the Dead Horse a few times, whilst dragging its pungent smelling, maggot ridden corpse around the back yard>
<Puts the Dead Horse back in its box, under the stairs>
Woot another "Christianity?" thread...
<runs off to start another "political" thread>
Edited, Sat Jan 22 00:32:53 2005 by lagduff
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I am a Buddhist myself, and we have our own 'incentive' to behave. It does not really bother me if I don't get to interact with Christian/Hindu/whatever other religion's Heaven/Hell in my afterlife.
Being that other religions have their own version of hell and heaven, do you get split up when you die? (Like, part of you goes to Buddhist heaven, being a good Buddhist, and part of you goes to Christian hell, just cause you're not a Christian?)
Point to ponder...
Being that other religions have their own version of hell and heaven, do you get split up when you die? (Like, part of you goes to Buddhist heaven, being a good Buddhist, and part of you goes to Christian hell, just cause you're not a Christian?)
Point to ponder...
How would that work?
Would you like, go to hell on Tuesdays and Heaven on Wednesdays?
↓His opinion is ****.↓
Hey come on now. I didn't mean for this to be "another christianity" thread.
I had a specific question about the religion, which I could not get anyone that I know to answer. It's not even like I'm bashing the religion, I just wanted to know more about it.
I had a specific question about the religion, which I could not get anyone that I know to answer. It's not even like I'm bashing the religion, I just wanted to know more about it.
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