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publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
Colin Powell is much more likely to run in 2008 then Obama. He'd be much more likely to win too...
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
Lets take some real perspective on this. Look at the last election and we can easily see what type of America votes today.
The last election was was by a man that is whiter than bleach. Most of his cabinet is white, other than the more recent Rice. The values that ended up winning this last election are the same that said Gay marriages should not be legal.
America is not ready for a president that is not white, nor female.
Our country is run by rich white people, has been for a while now.
If Colon Powell had run for president Im sure many people would have voted for him. But the fact remains is that even though we like to think of ourselves as a bunch of enlightened souls that are the true and chosen people of god, were really just a country of bigoted ego maniacs that have a severe problem of control issues.
This goes along the same lines of a white father who says hes not racist. Has absolutely no problem with black people, mexican people etc...
But when his daughter says she going to date a black guy, all hell breaks loose and all of a sudden the calm and non racist person becomes a raving KKK member.
I myself am milato, although unless I told you that you would think im about as white as white comes.
I can remember twice where I started dating a girl and would get to know there parents. There parents would always seem nice and always excepting of me. With the first father he never found out that I was half black because as his wife told me once, he would go insane on me.
The second father when he found out all but banned his daughter from dating me. I guess it has to do with the fact that if we ever ended up having children then theres a possiblity that they could be black, slim but there is a chance all the same.
What Im trying to say is that most Americans if asked if they would accept a woman/non-white president would more than likely say yes as long as the representive was a good leader and stood for what they believed in.
But when it came to the actual polls and who actually won the election I doubt if the feeling would be the same.
Some day this country may be ready but not for a long long time.
The last election was was by a man that is whiter than bleach. Most of his cabinet is white, other than the more recent Rice. The values that ended up winning this last election are the same that said Gay marriages should not be legal.
America is not ready for a president that is not white, nor female.
Our country is run by rich white people, has been for a while now.
If Colon Powell had run for president Im sure many people would have voted for him. But the fact remains is that even though we like to think of ourselves as a bunch of enlightened souls that are the true and chosen people of god, were really just a country of bigoted ego maniacs that have a severe problem of control issues.
This goes along the same lines of a white father who says hes not racist. Has absolutely no problem with black people, mexican people etc...
But when his daughter says she going to date a black guy, all hell breaks loose and all of a sudden the calm and non racist person becomes a raving KKK member.
I myself am milato, although unless I told you that you would think im about as white as white comes.
I can remember twice where I started dating a girl and would get to know there parents. There parents would always seem nice and always excepting of me. With the first father he never found out that I was half black because as his wife told me once, he would go insane on me.
The second father when he found out all but banned his daughter from dating me. I guess it has to do with the fact that if we ever ended up having children then theres a possiblity that they could be black, slim but there is a chance all the same.
What Im trying to say is that most Americans if asked if they would accept a woman/non-white president would more than likely say yes as long as the representive was a good leader and stood for what they believed in.
But when it came to the actual polls and who actually won the election I doubt if the feeling would be the same.
Some day this country may be ready but not for a long long time.
gbaji wrote:
Colin Powell is much more likely to run in 2008 then Obama. He'd be much more likely to win too...
Doubtful, on both counts.
He refused to run back when he was a bona fide war hero, when he really would have had a shot (so to speak). The reason he gave was that his wife was against it, which probably hasn't changed much. Don't know much about Mrs. Powell except that she's a smart woman.
Since that time he's taken a hell of a lot of heat for Dubya's failed policies, mistakes, oversights and outright lies.
Howard Baker would have had a chance at the Presidency back in the day, too, if he hadn't thrown himself on a grenade over Iran-Contra to keep Reagan from getting splattered.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
I'm going to just respond to this one bit.
The last election was was by a man that is whiter than bleach. Most of his cabinet is white, other than the more recent Rice. The values that ended up winning this last election are the same that said Gay marriages should not be legal.
President GW Bush has greater minority representation in his administration then any presidential administration in history.
Funny that the facts are 100% the opposite of what you are trying to argue. Funny also that it's once again the Republican party that actually puts minorities in positions of power rather then just playing lip service to the ideas of equality.
Sigh... When are you going to wake up and realize that the differences between the two major parties in this country are not ones of being for minorities or against minorities, but rather how they approach equality. Republicans believe that all people should have equal opportunity and should be judged on their own merits and accomplishments. Democrats believe that society as a whole should be balanced with respect to race and seek to use the government to manipulate the end results rather then just letting people accomplish whatever they're able to do.
Which is better is going to depend on your own outlook. But to blindly argue that Republicans are anti-minority because we don't believe in social entitlement and manipulation to make the racial quota numbers look good is completely erroneous.
Dutchess Zadiel wrote:
The last election was was by a man that is whiter than bleach. Most of his cabinet is white, other than the more recent Rice. The values that ended up winning this last election are the same that said Gay marriages should not be legal.
President GW Bush has greater minority representation in his administration then any presidential administration in history.
Funny that the facts are 100% the opposite of what you are trying to argue. Funny also that it's once again the Republican party that actually puts minorities in positions of power rather then just playing lip service to the ideas of equality.
Sigh... When are you going to wake up and realize that the differences between the two major parties in this country are not ones of being for minorities or against minorities, but rather how they approach equality. Republicans believe that all people should have equal opportunity and should be judged on their own merits and accomplishments. Democrats believe that society as a whole should be balanced with respect to race and seek to use the government to manipulate the end results rather then just letting people accomplish whatever they're able to do.
Which is better is going to depend on your own outlook. But to blindly argue that Republicans are anti-minority because we don't believe in social entitlement and manipulation to make the racial quota numbers look good is completely erroneous.
King Nobby wrote:
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gbaji wrote:
Colin Powell is much more likely to run in 2008 then Obama. He'd be much more likely to win too...
If he'd run four years ago I would've voted for him over Gore. But since then, as said, he's ruined himself by being a Bush toady. His craptacular UN "presentation" on Iraq's threat has made me lose almost all respect for him...almost all, as he still has maintained some semblance of antagonism towards the BA re: foreign policy.
I feel the same about John McCain actually, four years ago I'd have voted for him in a heartbeat. But he actively campaigned for George Fricking Bush. Anyone who does that instantly jumps to Idiot status. I could care less if he was doing it to curry future favor, if he doesn't realize how dangerous Bush is to this country, he ain't the guy for me.
To Obama, I could see him running. Whether he'll win or not is entirely up to who the Republican candidate is, same situation any Dem candidate will face. The country has proven itself to be mainly myopic selfish idiots with no sense of global or national priorities, so only a real loser GOP nominee will lose in the face of such raw ignorance.
Show me fact that supports your information about minorities backing the current president. Because I have yet to meet a single person that is now white that supported him.
Although I will throw in that I met a mexican girl who said she voted for him. But her rational was that it didnt matter who won because god was the ultimate answer to all anyway.
Bush has the support of a lot of the mexican people from what I understand simply because of his stand on religion.
We could also bring up the polls of the pre dominately black neighborhoods from the last election and see who they voted for mostly.
Show me fact and Ill adhere, until then your shooting at me with a empty barrel.
Also may I remind you that this is a country that votes in people like Arnold for California and Jessie Ventura.
You know as well as I do that if Arnold could run for president he would win in a heartbeat. Thats the kind of country we live in.
Edited, Thu Jan 20 18:21:22 2005 by Zadiel
Although I will throw in that I met a mexican girl who said she voted for him. But her rational was that it didnt matter who won because god was the ultimate answer to all anyway.
Bush has the support of a lot of the mexican people from what I understand simply because of his stand on religion.
We could also bring up the polls of the pre dominately black neighborhoods from the last election and see who they voted for mostly.
Show me fact and Ill adhere, until then your shooting at me with a empty barrel.
Also may I remind you that this is a country that votes in people like Arnold for California and Jessie Ventura.
You know as well as I do that if Arnold could run for president he would win in a heartbeat. Thats the kind of country we live in.
Edited, Thu Jan 20 18:21:22 2005 by Zadiel
I'm a registered Republican and from the South.
I'd vote for Colin Powell if he were to run. Although, I think Giuliani<sp?> is more likely to run, and he'd split votes tween Jeb Bush, typical conservative and Powell, more moderate.
As long as Hilary Clinton isn't in the running Obama has a good chance. Of course, I don't know much about him or his politics...
I'd vote for Colin Powell if he were to run. Although, I think Giuliani<sp?> is more likely to run, and he'd split votes tween Jeb Bush, typical conservative and Powell, more moderate.
As long as Hilary Clinton isn't in the running Obama has a good chance. Of course, I don't know much about him or his politics...
I'd have to say Obama stands a much stronger chance than Hillary. As much as everyone wants to say she's the Dem of choice and she has "credibility with the woman voter" It's pretty hard to really distinguish her seeing as how she rides her hsubands coattails for political power knowing that he has cheated on her. I'm pretty sure many women look at her like a power *****.
Not causing a fiasco by getting a divorce during a presidency is one thing, hanging on to the "Clinton Legacy" to get elected into the Senate is another though. She'd be a snowball in hell in Presidential politics and it might even risk her position in the Senate.
Not causing a fiasco by getting a divorce during a presidency is one thing, hanging on to the "Clinton Legacy" to get elected into the Senate is another though. She'd be a snowball in hell in Presidential politics and it might even risk her position in the Senate.
Dutchess Zadiel wrote:
Show me fact that supports your information about minorities backing the current president. Because I have yet to meet a single person that is now white that supported him.
Huh!? Show me where I made that claim. I was responding to your impliation that Bush was racist in some way (he's "whiter then white", and "aside from Rice, has an all white cabinet"). How you got from that to this, I have no idea...
Um. But just to answer your question. Here's CNN's poll data
Relevant stats for Bush
White 77% (up 4 percent)
African American 11% (up 2 percent from 2000 election)
Latino 44% (up 9 percent)
Asian 44% (up 3 percent)
Other 40% (up 1%)
So apparently, nearly half of all latinos who voted last year voted for Bush. I think you should seriously rethink your assumption that minorities don't support Bush.
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We could also bring up the polls of the pre dominately black neighborhoods from the last election and see who they voted for mostly.
Sure. Voting for "mostly". But "mostly" does not equal "all". Just as "some" does not equal "none". I never made the claim that Bush has more backing from minorites then Kerry did. But he clearly had more then Kerry thought he would (and apparently more then you thought he would as well).
My real point was that there is an assumption that Democrats are "better for minorities". That blanket belief is often what causes many minorites to vote Democrat. What we've seen in the last decade or so is a gradual shift in this as minorities have come to realize that after 40 years of Dem entitlement programs, they are still poor and still living in the ghetto.
The fact that the Republican party is actually more willing to put minorities in positions of real power and policy making within the party rather then being tokens designed to get the minorities to vote for them is telling. Despite all the rhetoric to the contrary, Republican policies end up helping minorities more then Democrat policies. The only trick is to get past the wall of assumption that the Dems have thrown that the people for the last 40 years and get them to see the facts instead of the rhetoric.
Heck. You made assumptions as well. You could have researched the facts before speaking, but you chose not to. You made a specific comment about Bush having an almost all white cabinet, when in fact his is the most racially diverse in the history of the office. Why did you make that assumption? Because you've been brainwashed to think that Democrats are the champions of equality, and so by extention Republicans must all be racist. The idea that this might not be true simply never enters your mind.
You might try opening that mind up a bit. The actual facts out there might surprise you.
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Show me fact and Ill adhere, until then your shooting at me with a empty barrel.
I have. Now how about you meet me halfway and the next time you go to make an assumptive statement about the Republican party or a member in particular, you stop and do a bit of research first just to see if your assumptions are correct before posting?
That's all I ask. Find out what's actually true instead of simply repeating what you heard somewhere and perpetuating untruths.
King Nobby wrote:
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Why all this talk of the next election?
Bush will find a way to postpone them somehow.
I really think that Edwards is going to be the 2008 presidential candidate. The vice presidential race he was in was a good warm up act, and brought him to the forefront of the Democrat party.
Edwards is a good speaker, an intelligent man, and by 2008 he will have a stronger platform to build upon, now knowing some of the flaws in his lost vice presidential bid.
Bush will find a way to postpone them somehow.
I really think that Edwards is going to be the 2008 presidential candidate. The vice presidential race he was in was a good warm up act, and brought him to the forefront of the Democrat party.
Edwards is a good speaker, an intelligent man, and by 2008 he will have a stronger platform to build upon, now knowing some of the flaws in his lost vice presidential bid.
gbaji wrote:
President GW Bush has greater minority representation in his administration then any presidential administration in history.
Funny that the facts are 100% the opposite of what you are trying to argue. Funny also that it's once again the Republican party that actually puts minorities in positions of power rather then just playing lip service to the ideas of equality.
Funny how we forget things after a couple days. Like I said before most Latino vote for Bush because of his Religious stands. If Bush had not stood up and all but claimed to be the next Jesus Christ then the latino vote would be no where close to where its at.
Am I calling Bush a racist?
I dont think if Bush even wanted to hate anything he wouldnt have the mental capacity to do so. In order to light a torch to burn a cross like the KKK you have to know how to start a fire, something I think would escape his grasp.
Squire Meerkatxx wrote:
I really think that Edwards is going to be the 2008 presidential candidate. The vice presidential race he was in was a good warm up act, and brought him to the forefront of the Democrat party.
Yet he didnt even win his own state in the last election. Kinda sad.
i like Obama.
his speach during the democratic thingy was the most inspiring speach i have herd from anyone in the last 4 years.
the country is divided. still divided. we have moved way to far to the right for there ever to be any middle ground both sides can accept. America is made up of a diverse spectrum of people. even if a majority follows one path, you cannot lead the entire mass by ignoring the minority.
the biggest problem in this country is the way we elect a leader. one group of lobiest throws their money behind this canadate, an opposing interest group of lobbiest thows there money behind another group.
and you the people ONLY get to choose one of the opposing groups puppet. you only get a far left, or a far right. only, because you will see little to nothing of anyone else due to the money necessary for enough exposier to reach enough people to matter.
you get to choose from a group of people a large chunk of lobbiest will stand behind. someone ther for the american people? rofl, not unless they are a billionair and finance their own campaign. the president to be is the group of people the lobbiest are willing to show to you. pick one. you have a choice as long as they will cater to enough lobbiest to finance a campign.
the result is, the people best qualified to lead the most powerfull country will NEVER lead this country. you are not part of a democracy any more. you are just a part of the lobbiest puppet selection machine.
America is a prime example of a democracy gone horribly wrong. big money found a way to controll who,s ideals will lead this country. you only get ot choose which one of their favorits will be the one.
how in hell does a "c" average ex-alcholic get to be the leader of the most powerfull country in the world? OMG, i could go to any state college and find THOUSANDS of people better qualified.
you are now wittnessing the results of our democracy gone wrong.
unfortuantly, tens of thousands of human beings are paying the ultimate price for our political short commings.
the two party system need to go. period. and there needs to be some mandatory MINIMUM requirments for leading this country. like a masters in foreign affairs, and or, economics. some mandatory military time, so there is atleast some connection with the leader and the men he sends to kill people and die. at least a year of world history to boot. anyone with any history background could have predicted the outcome we are facing in Iraq. like Bush Sr. for instance.
our political process is decided by a bunch of fairly ignorant people, making a personel choice more on the lines of a popularity contest than issues, between a group of people who kissed enough lobbiest butt to make some big buck people think there will be a return for the money they invest in supporting them.
this country need a political revamping. to bad it will never happen. no one with those ideals would ever get enough support dollars ot get elected. EVER.
soooooo, on with the blood letting, 4 more years, wooohaaaa
his speach during the democratic thingy was the most inspiring speach i have herd from anyone in the last 4 years.
the country is divided. still divided. we have moved way to far to the right for there ever to be any middle ground both sides can accept. America is made up of a diverse spectrum of people. even if a majority follows one path, you cannot lead the entire mass by ignoring the minority.
the biggest problem in this country is the way we elect a leader. one group of lobiest throws their money behind this canadate, an opposing interest group of lobbiest thows there money behind another group.
and you the people ONLY get to choose one of the opposing groups puppet. you only get a far left, or a far right. only, because you will see little to nothing of anyone else due to the money necessary for enough exposier to reach enough people to matter.
you get to choose from a group of people a large chunk of lobbiest will stand behind. someone ther for the american people? rofl, not unless they are a billionair and finance their own campaign. the president to be is the group of people the lobbiest are willing to show to you. pick one. you have a choice as long as they will cater to enough lobbiest to finance a campign.
the result is, the people best qualified to lead the most powerfull country will NEVER lead this country. you are not part of a democracy any more. you are just a part of the lobbiest puppet selection machine.
America is a prime example of a democracy gone horribly wrong. big money found a way to controll who,s ideals will lead this country. you only get ot choose which one of their favorits will be the one.
how in hell does a "c" average ex-alcholic get to be the leader of the most powerfull country in the world? OMG, i could go to any state college and find THOUSANDS of people better qualified.
you are now wittnessing the results of our democracy gone wrong.
unfortuantly, tens of thousands of human beings are paying the ultimate price for our political short commings.
the two party system need to go. period. and there needs to be some mandatory MINIMUM requirments for leading this country. like a masters in foreign affairs, and or, economics. some mandatory military time, so there is atleast some connection with the leader and the men he sends to kill people and die. at least a year of world history to boot. anyone with any history background could have predicted the outcome we are facing in Iraq. like Bush Sr. for instance.
our political process is decided by a bunch of fairly ignorant people, making a personel choice more on the lines of a popularity contest than issues, between a group of people who kissed enough lobbiest butt to make some big buck people think there will be a return for the money they invest in supporting them.
this country need a political revamping. to bad it will never happen. no one with those ideals would ever get enough support dollars ot get elected. EVER.
soooooo, on with the blood letting, 4 more years, wooohaaaa
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