So, some of my best friends on campus are ROTC cadets, and soldiers (thanks to Lehigh having a thriving military science department). Recently, they've been buzzing about the military's new idea to get rid of the don't ask - don't tell policy, and replace it with one a hell of a lot more draconian. Basically, it runs along the lines that you have to answer them when they ask you about your sexuality (which will start being a mandatory part of screening), and if you lie you can be jailed for perjury. If you answer and are homosexual, you will be booted. Sounds kind of idiotic, and almost racist to me. Especially considering the girl and guy talking about it were from the Navy, the gayest branch of the military ;)
I couldn't believe it, but recently there have been more and more scandals in the military involving sexuality (check other threads about this). On top of that, my friend Allison, one of the head ROTC cadets at Lehigh was just given the boot because she has a slightly lazy eye (read: it doesn't affect her vision, and she has medical proof stating so, and the military hasn't said anything about it for 3 years). Are we trying to start going for perfection in the military? It seems if the military has its way, there might not be much of a standing military left to invade other countries with... what will Bush do then?
I can understand looking for the best of the best, but I'd take a decorated soldier with a lazy eye over some Aryan poster-boy looking SOB from West Point any day to lead my squad any day.
Edited, Thu Jan 20 09:46:42 2005 by scubamage
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welcome to the "moral majority" world.
they didnt used to let negros become officers or sleep in the same baracks with white soldiers either.
same bunch of idiots making these rules.
they didnt used to let negros become officers or sleep in the same baracks with white soldiers either.
same bunch of idiots making these rules.
The British Military have managed to integrate Homosexuals without any difficulty, It has had exactly zero impact on operational capability..
So much for Gays effecting moral.
I think it is against the Human rights act to ask people thier sexual orientation when screening for jobs, but then America has ignored human rights for a while now.
So much for Gays effecting moral.
I think it is against the Human rights act to ask people thier sexual orientation when screening for jobs, but then America has ignored human rights for a while now.
think it is against the Human rights act to ask people thier sexual orientation when screening for jobs, but then America has ignored human rights for a while now.
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it is discrimination, pure and simple.
and with the "moral majority" in charge, discrimination only applies if they have no PREJUDICE against you at this time.
wooohaaa, 4 more years.......
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it is discrimination, pure and simple.
and with the "moral majority" in charge, discrimination only applies if they have no PREJUDICE against you at this time.
wooohaaa, 4 more years.......
It makes me kind of sad how most American's kind of ignore this sort of thing. It reminds me of a quote I read a long time ago about this exact same sort of thing when it comes to prejudice...
Obviously its a stretch, but it's still the price you start to pay when you begin treating certain groups of people differently. When it starts it's just a few people acting out because of their "concern," but it eventually has the ability to snowball into things that are much, much worse.
Edited, Thu Jan 20 11:13:56 2005 by scubamage
Pastor Martin Niemöller wrote:
First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me--
and there was no one left to speak out for me.
because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me--
and there was no one left to speak out for me.
Obviously its a stretch, but it's still the price you start to pay when you begin treating certain groups of people differently. When it starts it's just a few people acting out because of their "concern," but it eventually has the ability to snowball into things that are much, much worse.
Edited, Thu Jan 20 11:13:56 2005 by scubamage
They can't get away with that kind of thing though, can they? I would hope to god some of these people would pick up a lawsuit or 2. I am never for the pathetic sue happy people, but they would have a sound case here.
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They can't get away with that kind of thing though, can they? I would hope to god some of these people would pick up a lawsuit or 2. I am never for the pathetic sue happy people, but they would have a sound case here.
Well, under the "don't ask, don't tell" policy, were a soldier on leave to visit a known gay club, it is considered a public proclamation of homosexuality if there is physical proof that they were there (like a photo). Even though they never actually stated that they were a homosexual, it is assumed. They would then be removed from the military with a dishonorable discharge. Kind of makes you sick, don't it?
Just a bit. Esp to know this is my country.
Its hard to ***** and moan about this now, we had our chance to save the country. Now once again we have the same leader for another four years that every country in the world hates.
Do you really think it would be a surprise that some thing like this is going to happen.
This is only the beginning people. Its going to get worse in the coming years, far far worse.
Ill see you all on Mandadatory church on sunday which you must attend or face 10-15 hard time.
Do you really think it would be a surprise that some thing like this is going to happen.
This is only the beginning people. Its going to get worse in the coming years, far far worse.
Ill see you all on Mandadatory church on sunday which you must attend or face 10-15 hard time.
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Ill see you all on Mandadatory church on sunday which you must attend or face 10-15 hard time.
I'll make sure to wave to you. I'll be the one dipped in pitch and tied up in the bonfire.
The day we're forced to go to church on sunday is the day we throw a big house party at bhodisattva's place
Heh, Seventh-day Adventists have been saying for years that mandatory Sunday church-going was going to be one of the signs of the apocolypse, and the mark of the beast. I guess that would make George Bush the antichrist, in which case I would laugh my *** off because most Adventists in my area, my family included, think he's God's gift to the USA.
Welcome to the end of the world!
(Shadowrelm, might wanna consider putting "wooohaaa, 4 more years!" in your signature. Save yourself some carpal tunnel there.)
Welcome to the end of the world!
(Shadowrelm, might wanna consider putting "wooohaaa, 4 more years!" in your signature. Save yourself some carpal tunnel there.)
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First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me--
and there was no one left to speak out for me.
Obviously its a stretch,
because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me--
and there was no one left to speak out for me.
Obviously its a stretch,
Not really a stretch at all, homosexuals were one of the groups targeted for extermination by the ***** as well as those listed in the old quote above.
seeing as im turning 18 in just over a week i hope gays are banned from the military. if it comes down to it i'd rather have the navy recruiter blow my ***** off than an explosive in iraq.
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Basically, it runs along the lines that you have to answer them when they ask you about your sexuality (which will start being a mandatory part of screening), and if you lie you can be jailed for perjury. If you answer and are homosexual, you will be booted. Sounds kind of idiotic, and almost racist to me. Especially considering the girl and guy talking about it were from the Navy, the gayest branch of the military ;)
Wasn't this the way it was before Clinton's "don't ask don't tell" policy? Pretty sure it was. This is nothing new.
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Are we trying to start going for perfection in the military?
God forbid!
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Well, under the "don't ask, don't tell" policy, were a soldier on leave to visit a known gay club, it is considered a public proclamation of homosexuality if there is physical proof that they were there (like a photo). Even though they never actually stated that they were a homosexual, it is assumed. They would then be removed from the military with a dishonorable discharge. Kind of makes you sick, don't it
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I was in the military during the beginning of the "don't ask don't tell" policy. I don't recall ever hearing that if you are caught in a gay club you're automatically gay. I could be wrong, but I never heard of this. Usually, even in the military, charges have to be proven before you can get a dishonorable discharge. Hell, according to the UCMJ oral sex is an offense that can get you kicked out. And I had my share of blow-jobs when I was in (by women you gutter-heads).
Personally, I have no problem with gays in the military. It's nothing new, it's not like there aren't gays in the military now, and it certainly wasn't new even pre-DADT. As long as they understand I'm not gay, and they don't hit on me, we won't have a problem. I'm sure the majority of military members feel pretty much the same way. I knew a couple gays during my time in, and never had a problem with them.
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Recently, they've been buzzing about the military's new idea to get rid of the don't ask - don't tell policy, and replace it with one a hell of a lot more draconian.
So it's a rumor. Unless something comes down more official, I wouldn't worry about it. Rumors in the military are like camoflauge gear, they're everywhere. It doesn't make them fact.
Though I can sympathize with your friend, physical standards are high in the military, even more so for officers.
Some people are like slinkies, they aren't really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs.
I am an Active duty Marine and have heard nothing about this.
Dont know what that ROTC program is doing but if they are asking about peoples sexuality as a condition of their enlistment, they are wrong.
As far as your friends lazy eye, it may be that the Military is concerned that her eyesite will eventually be affected. People are routinely disqualified for Military service due to Medical reasons.
If she was a ROTC contract then she got a pretty good deal they paid for her school costs and she doesnt have to pay anything back.
Dont know what that ROTC program is doing but if they are asking about peoples sexuality as a condition of their enlistment, they are wrong.
As far as your friends lazy eye, it may be that the Military is concerned that her eyesite will eventually be affected. People are routinely disqualified for Military service due to Medical reasons.
If she was a ROTC contract then she got a pretty good deal they paid for her school costs and she doesnt have to pay anything back.
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Wasn't this the way it was before Clinton's "don't ask don't tell" policy? Pretty sure it was. This is nothing new.
Yep, it was. They asked me when I signed up back in '90. I'm pretty sure it was like that for a long time. I remember them joking about it in Stripes.
"No, we're not gay, but if it helps we're both willing to give it a try..."
If life gives you lemons, make lemonade. Then find someone that life has given vodka and have party.
This establishment does not serve women. You must bring your own.
This establishment does not serve women. You must bring your own.
The current administrations stand on homosexuality would be a clear signal to the other parts of the government that rule changes that target homosexuals in a negative way would be looked upon more favorable then before.
I would expect to find that this sort of negative attitude to homsexuals will soon permeate most of the different government entities. Though the practices will not be overt for most, it will happen, in my opinion.
The don't ask don't tell policy was supposed to allow gays to serve, without affecting the moral of the non gay troops. This of course turned out to be a quagmire of a policy that resulted in more problems then it solved.
I belive gay men can defend this country just as well as anyone else. Now the whole front line woman thing is another story. :P
I would expect to find that this sort of negative attitude to homsexuals will soon permeate most of the different government entities. Though the practices will not be overt for most, it will happen, in my opinion.
The don't ask don't tell policy was supposed to allow gays to serve, without affecting the moral of the non gay troops. This of course turned out to be a quagmire of a policy that resulted in more problems then it solved.
I belive gay men can defend this country just as well as anyone else. Now the whole front line woman thing is another story. :P
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Now the whole front line woman thing is another story. :P
Gotta have someone to give the straight guys blow-jobs.
/nod
Some people are like slinkies, they aren't really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs.
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Gotta have someone to give the straight guys blow-jobs.
/nod
/nod
>.<
Thats bad.
Funny.
But, bad.
stupid republicans. i'd figure if there were any people out there they'd want to send off to war in poorly armored/unarmored vehicles, it be gay men. all this does is bring back the option of dodging the draft by declaring yourself to be a homosexual. you'd think that the republicans would be the ones with a problem if all the fine, upstanding, young straight men are the ones sent off to die, and the homosexual men are the ones left behind. personnaly, i'm much more of an equal-opportunity kind of guy
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stupid republicans. i'd figure if there were any people out there they'd want to send off to war in poorly armored/unarmored vehicles, it be gay men. all this does is bring back the option of dodging the draft by declaring yourself to be a homosexual. you'd think that the republicans would be the ones with a problem if all the fine, upstanding, young straight men are the ones sent off to die, and the homosexual men are the ones left behind. personnaly, i'm much more of an equal-opportunity kind of guy
The current policy of the US military is STILL DADT. I dont know what is going on at that Specific University but it isnt the DoD policy. This is the current policy
http://www.usmc.mil/maradmins/maradmin2000.nsf/d50a617f5ac75ae085256856004f3afc/dc523f4fb0b13b0c852568600024045a?OpenDocument&Highlight=2,homosexuality
That's directly off the USMC website. Geez one person posts one instance of one University allegedly discriminating against homosexuals and you guys accuse the President of a Crusade against gays..
Damnthebitch is right. I am an active duty Sgt. and I have heard nothing about this. If there was going to be a change we would hear about it far in advance.
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