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#1 Jan 19 2005 at 4:45 PM Rating: Decent
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story from CNN

Those of you from England, is this getting alot of pulicity on your end of the pond?

#3 Jan 19 2005 at 4:56 PM Rating: Decent
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I guess I'm curious as to why we hear so much about our own scandal and not much on others. Granted, most of us live in the US, but I was surprised this was the first I had heard about it from across the pond. Other countries love to hear about our scandals and jump on them when they can.
#4 Jan 19 2005 at 5:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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Because foreign scandals are difficult for the average American to follow who has no grasp of the geopolitical scene or the locations of such exotic locals as "Qatar", "Berlin" or "Canada".

Besides, who cares about the misdeeds of political officals in some backwards country like "London" when we can read about what Ashlee Simpson did at a football game!
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#5 Jan 19 2005 at 5:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yes it's a big story here. There's universal condemnation of the individuals concerned and we expect them to be crucified (could be worse. could be stabbed)

Most political commentators in the UK are taking the line that Debalic is personally responsible, with his 'Glass Car Park' speech oft-quoted.

gbaji is referred to also, but in a highly edited format.
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#6 Jan 19 2005 at 6:37 PM Rating: Decent
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#7 Jan 19 2005 at 6:40 PM Rating: Decent
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It's big news over here, the Squadies involved will get pulled over the coals and there will no doubt be high level repercusions.

It also helps in a way because if reinforces the poor desicion to send us into Iraq and i very much doubt that any British Prime Minister will be able to send us on another of Mr Bushs moralistic Crusades.

Thank Bob.
#8 Jan 19 2005 at 6:44 PM Rating: Decent
I guess that's why I tend to look at BBC online for my news, seems a more objective coverage than any of the US websites (though I do watch US news). In addition to this, and previous British abuse stories (including one false one), I recall them airing stories on British troops raping villagers in Africa and whatnot, so I haven't thought abuse scandal type stuff is solely an American phenomenon. Not that I thought that before either, there are plenty of worse abusers than the US, but anyway...

Another decent site for non-US centric news is the Asia Times: www.atimes.com
#9 Jan 19 2005 at 6:48 PM Rating: Decent
I guess that's why I tend to look at BBC online for my news, seems a more objective coverage than any of the US websites (though I do watch US news). In addition to this, and previous British abuse stories (including one false one), I recall them airing stories on British troops raping villagers in Africa and whatnot, so I haven't thought abuse scandal type stuff is solely an American phenomenon. Not that I thought that before either, there are plenty of worse abusers than the US, but anyway...

Another decent site for non-US centric news is the Asia Times: www.atimes.com
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#11 Jan 20 2005 at 11:39 AM Rating: Good
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I'm still wondering why the only people who are being raked over the coals for the Abu Ghraib scandal are the squad members who executed the orders to abuse the prisoners. They already have signed documentation that Bush himself approved the mistreatment. Links are here and here

I can't imagine the soldiers though, what they must have went through. If they had refused the executive order they could have been court martial'd. They did follow orders, and are now being court martial'd. Talk about being damned if you do, and damned if you don't.

Clinton got a BJ and he got impeached. Bush broke the geneva convention, and there's a clear paper trail proving it, and nothing happens - stupid pubbie government.

Edited, Thu Jan 20 11:45:35 2005 by scubamage
#12 Jan 20 2005 at 12:29 PM Rating: Decent
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If they had refused the executive order they could have been court martial'd.
Wrong, it is clearly stated in basic training that it is your duty to obey orders UNLESS those orders are Illegal, If given an illegal order you are duty bound to report that order to the person delivering the order's superior officer.

If the soldier had been ordered to rape a woman he would not have been expected to do so by the general public just because an officer told him too. A soldier is protected by militry law against such an eventuality.

Every Soldier knows that Torture is against International Law, at least every British Soldier does, and they should be treated like they Knew they where doing an Illegal act.
#13 Jan 20 2005 at 2:55 PM Rating: Decent
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We're taught the same Tarv.From basic on, even in the Noncom schools it's reinforced.
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