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#1 Jan 19 2005 at 5:29 AM Rating: Decent
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Crap like this is why I think we should have our executions immediately after the trials. No long appeal process, no twenty year wait, no drawing SS while on death row even though you committed the crime while too young to legally drink.

Do not pass go, do not collect $200.

One Remington roomsweeper blast to the noggin and then it's time for cleanup on aisle 3. Next, please.

Before anyone cries, 'What about the wrongly convicted innocent!' let me state this: ***** the innocent.

It's pretty damn hard to be completely innocent yet somehow so thoroughly mistaken for a murderer that a jury will decide you are guilty beyond a reasonable doubt knowing that you will immediately die for the crime. If you're that unlucky, you're gonna get nailed by a stray meteorite anyway, so here's to hoping you keep your will up to date. I, for one, am sick and tired of paying to keep these guys on ice for ever and ever.

Either kill em or let em go. I'd rather have em on the street than costing me tax dollars on death row. They're more likely to get whacked on the street by a vigilante or vengeful relative of their victim(s) than they are to die at the hands of the state in a timely manner.
#2 Jan 19 2005 at 6:02 AM Rating: Good
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What really gets me is how they will keep a death row inmate alive at all costs, just so they can kill him at a later date. You know, provide chemo for cancer patients, make sure the guy with pneumonia gets cured. I know there's some sort of legal reasoning for this, but man... it sure looks stupid on the outside. Let nature take its course!
#3 Jan 19 2005 at 8:02 AM Rating: Decent
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Bunch of backwards countries that still have the death penalty eh?
#4 Jan 19 2005 at 10:01 AM Rating: Decent
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That list is hilarious.

the U.S. and Japan are the black sheep in there in my opinion.
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#5 Jan 19 2005 at 10:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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Wow.. looks like pretty much all the Caribbean has the death penalty. Betcha the travel agent doesn't tell you that.
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#6 Jan 19 2005 at 10:45 AM Rating: Default
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/sarcasm on

You want to go to a place where the death penalty is enforced?

Come to Texas, we had the #1 or #2 execution rate of the entire country. California has executed 11 people since 1997, I think Texas did that last week.

Comedian Ron White said it best, " While most states are getting rid of the death penalty, My State (Texas) is putting in an express lane!"

/sarcasm off
#7 Jan 19 2005 at 11:06 AM Rating: Default
Makes you wanna think twice about commiting a crime in Texas.

"But sir! I was hungry! It was only a apple."

"Don' matter... the chair for you's!"

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#8 Jan 19 2005 at 11:08 AM Rating: Decent
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Anyone else notice this little gem?

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The governor noted that Beardslee was the only one on parole at the time for another murder.


What the hell was he doing out on parole???

Personally, I think if you're convicted of something so heinous,and the death penalty is your lot, then you should be taken out back of the courthouse and hung right there.
#9 Jan 19 2005 at 11:14 AM Rating: Decent
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#10 Jan 19 2005 at 1:13 PM Rating: Good
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The reason we have such a stringent appeals process is because of people like this:

Warning - Wordy New Yorker Article

If you don't want to read it, basically it's about Kenneth Peasley, an extremely tough and extremely successful state's prosecutor in Arizona.

He was eventually disbarred for conjurring evidence to support his cases, including in capital murder trials.



#12 Jan 19 2005 at 5:27 PM Rating: Decent
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It's pretty damn hard to be completely innocent yet somehow so thoroughly mistaken for a murderer that a jury will decide you are guilty beyond a reasonable doubt knowing that you will immediately die for the crime.



And yet somehow people are still convicted of crimes in which they had no involvement at an alarming rate.

You can go to http://www.innocenceproject.org/ to read more about all the wrongly convicted people that have been exonerated by DNA evidence. 37 of the 123 people they've exonerated were convicted of crimes that involved murder... good thing we didn't just execute them immediatley after the trials, huh?

The concept behind our justice system is ... shockingly enough.. JUSTICE. Not convencience, not efficiency. I certainly hope that if your idea of a justice system is ever enacted, TStephens, that you are amongst the first wrongly convicted and immediatley executed. Or if not you, how about your wife or one of your kids? I'm curious to see what your reaction would be then.

#13 Jan 19 2005 at 5:34 PM Rating: Decent
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You can go to http://www.innocenceproject.org/ to read more about all the wrongly convicted people that have been exonerated by DNA evidence. 37 of the 123 people they've exonerated were convicted of crimes that involved murder... good thing we didn't just execute them immediatley after the trials, huh?


But nowadays we have the DNA evidence to find out if they were the murderer or not. Why not use DNA in all murder trials and if the tests results come back that the one on trial was indeed the murder, hang them then and there?

That issue may have had a definite point before we used DNA more regularly, but the technology is there. Use it, and save monry as well as send out a sharp message to those who play around with the thought of murder.
#14 Jan 19 2005 at 5:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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In Beardslee's case, there was never any doubt about his guilt. It isn't as though the investigators had to piece together a circumstantial case. There were witnesses. There was, literally, a smoking gun. One of the victims was shot in his apartment. He stabbed and throttled the other. There was blood evidence connecting him directly to both victims.

So, his appeals were all on procedural grounds, not evidentiary. In this instance I'd prefer to see ONE review, to make sure the case was properly presented.

After that, eh. I'm not a fan of the death penalty, largely because of the protection it affords those convicted. But I would like to see a "no possibility of parole" clause reinstituted.
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#15 Jan 20 2005 at 11:12 AM Rating: Decent
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TStephens wrote:
California Execution

Crap like this is why I think we should have our executions immediately after the trials. No long appeal process, no twenty year wait, no drawing SS while on death row even though you committed the crime while too young to legally drink.

Do not pass go, do not collect $200.

One Remington roomsweeper blast to the noggin and then it's time for cleanup on aisle 3. Next, please.

I agree. Once the jury reads a "guilty" verdict, the judge should call him up, then pull a Walther out of his robes and put a bullet in his head right there.
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#16 Jan 20 2005 at 11:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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Bah, guns use bullets and those bullets waste my taxpayer dollars! Any time anyone is found guilty, the judge should beat them to death with a sledgehammer. You can use a sledgehammer time and time again.
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#17 Jan 20 2005 at 11:26 AM Rating: Good
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TStephens wrote:

Before anyone cries, 'What about the wrongly convicted innocent!' let me state this: ***** the innocent.

It's pretty damn hard to be completely innocent yet somehow so thoroughly mistaken for a murderer that a jury will decide you are guilty beyond a reasonable doubt knowing that you will immediately die for the crime. If you're that unlucky, you're gonna get nailed by a stray meteorite anyway, so here's to hoping you keep your will up to date. I, for one, am sick and tired of paying to keep these guys on ice for ever and ever.


Spoken like someone who has never taken a single legal systems course. The problem with the death penalty IS the fact that it goes by a jury's concept of reasonable doubt. The idea of a jury can be good, but it can also be horribly, horribly skewed. Ever hear of the term tyranny of the majority?

Suppose an African American man supposedly raped and murdered a young, white woman in the rural south. The day of the trial comes, and the majority of the jury happens to be white. Do you honestly believe the man will get a completely fair and unbiased trial? Watch the movie the Green Mile... it explains quite well.

Or

The fact that a jury only has to be 90% sure, to be "beyond a reasonable doubt" is another problem. You know, lie detectors have an accuracy of around 97%, but that's still considered to be too low for submission as evidence. And yet, we're supposed to trust a 90% judgement then? C'mon, that's idiotic.

And then there are the cases of witheld testimony, something which occurs quite often. For instance, there was a case (the name slips my mind, I'm trying to find it though) where a man and a woman were in very near proximity to a shooting, on a highway. They were the first people on scene and they called the police. They were also arrested and tried for the murder. The state disallowed the testimony of any of the other drivers on the highway, since none came forward until after the trial had finished. By the time the appeals court allowed new evidence to go through (since no new evidence is supposed to be submitted in a court of appeals), the woman had already watched her husband be executed in the electric chair. She then sued the government for quite a large sum of money, the judge who had tried them was fired, but still, nothing can bring back her husband, or wipe the fact that she had to watch him be executed in front of her.

Maybe I'm just a crazy liberal, but the blood of one innocent person is not worth your bloodlust for the convicted. If you don't like paying for the people in prison, then stop paying, and let the IRS deal with you. Other than that, suck it up. Innocent people get thrown in prison on a daily basis, because the legal system isn't perfect. They also die in execution chambers. You can try to shrug it off with a quip about bad luck, but god damn, am I the only person who realizes that someone actually died?

Have you ever worked at a hospital? Do you know what it's like to see someone die? Death isn't something to be shrugged off. People seem to take the lives of others for granted, especially when crime is involved. Shame on you.
#18 Jan 20 2005 at 4:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Bah, guns use bullets and those bullets waste my taxpayer dollars! Any time anyone is found guilty, the judge should beat them to death with a sledgehammer. You can use a sledgehammer time and time again.


Now that's some sound fiscal policy. Have you ever considered running for office Jophiel?

#19 Jan 20 2005 at 5:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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Me? Um.. no. Never.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to get dressed up for some dance they're making me go to.
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