A Moral Quandary - For The Pro-War Asylum ResidentsFollow

Say that you're a member of the police force in Time's Square, NYC. There is a large crowd of people there, three of which are convicted murderers who are wanted by the US government. You are deciding how to bring them to justice.

So, my question is: Would it be morally justifiable to use some method, such as spraying machine gun fire into the crowd, that would injure or even kill innocents, to bring the murderers to justice?

If no, then how can you justify using such methods against the residents of another country?

Yea, that's the same.

That's how.

If they're not [American], fu[b][/b]ck 'em.





for the record, I'm against the war, just being arrogant and cynical.

well as long as you have one of those special machine guns that 'liberates' people instead of murdering them, you should be able to keep your hands clean and get 1 or 2 out of the 3 murderers you're going after too.

America learned lessons from Vietnam? i wouldn't have guessed that..

oh moe. always a pleasure.

This is why people like yourself, as viewed by people like myself, are so irretrievably lost in these bullsh[/u]it biases. Yes, Saddam Hussein was a bad man. No, he probably wasn't particularly deserving of our mercy/pity/pacifism/tolerance/time.

However, what the f[u]uck points you to the conclusion that the people in Iraq were "in cahoots" with Saddam, and "actively harboring" him? I fail to see any rationale for that nonsense, beyond "they hated and feared him, but liked his views on the evil infidels about to bomb us."

The civilians in the country (yes, those who have not recently taken up ground-to-air shoulder-mounted rocket-powered grenade launchers) are largely innocent of the regime under which they've suffered, and I think, where possible (not convenient: possible), their homes, lives, etc should be spared.

As for Saddam, whatever. Shoot him in the head, no one's going to cry about it. In that case, America giveth, and America taketh away, but only when that given is no longer tactically advantageous. (btw, Iran again? time for a new Iraqi dictator!!!11one!)

edit: i DO think their lives should be spared :p

Edited, Tue Jan 18 15:44:21 2005 by RolloX

In context of the OP, it's assumed "innocent" means "innocent of murder", not "innocent of any sin or wrong doing ever".

First, allow me to say that I'm happy that I've pissed off someone so morally bereft enough that they wish me to leave and never come back.

Second, thank you for stating your highly dubious opinion as undisputed fact (violence being a "necessity," after all) and thus making yourself look like a complete and utter moron.



So I suppose that, since you don't go out every day and actively hunt down and capture/kill murderers, that you're guilty of aiding murderers and are therefore no better than a murderer yourself? The pendulum swings both ways.

Edited, Tue Jan 18 16:23:34 2005 by RognarsDwarvenGrog

Let's say some asstard went out and flew a plane into a building killing nearly 3,000 of your family and friends, assuming anyone even likes you.

Assume you knew who the conspirator was and how he pulled off this murder on a grand scale.

Would you just say "O we're better than them, we can ignore this loss of life because we're more civilized." or "If we just build our defenses and let them be we can avoid this reoccuring in the future."?

If so, then you are not only a pussy but a sorry sack of wasted O2. And I will personally buy you a plane ticket, one-way of course, to move to Canada or France. Whichever land of bending over and taking it up the *** you'd like.

America has every right to defend herself in whatever manner in which she deems appropriate. GWB is our Commander-in-Chief and therefore serves the will of the American people. The people of this country, as a majority, want offensive action to keep the battle off of our own soil. We do not execute those we capture. We did not simply nuke the entire Middle East into a parking lot. But we also did not send letters of warning or requests for reparation. Instead, we took the war that had been started by others to them. And we will finish it at a time and place of our choosing.

The only mistake my President has made is to have fought the war with one arm tied behind our back and the desire to keep America's world reputation above rebuke rather than leveling every foreigner who got in our way and fighting to win with no concern for civilian losses. I would rather see Iraqis who refuse to fight for themselves die in collateral damage than a single U.S. Marine perish for PR purposes.

To the world that decries our actions: GFY you sorry short-memoried sell-outs. America is the leader in all things, be it mercy, charity or the ability to wage war. We have used restraint so far, and paid a heavy toll for it. Stand with us or get the fuck out of our way.

In that case, we are keeping this war going for what?

Acknowledged. As a respondant to the question, and presumably the one who would be pulling the trigger, I don't care if they're innocent of this particular crime but guilty of something else. Guilty is guilty. My motivation for not opening fire would still be the aftermath rather than the act itself.

Jophiel, you sure know how to throw a wet blanket on a good time.

Don't flatter yourself, sweet heart. You don't have the time, skill or emotional standing to **** me off. That being said, maybe I am mis-reading, but I can't find where I said never come back. And before you start trying to use big words to sound smart on the internets, learn how to use them in a properly constructed sentence.

As to looking like a moron, I'd be happy to put it to a vote. Here's a hint for you. Before you let your frilly little girl panties get comfortable lodged in the crack of your ***, hang around a forum for a while and learn a little bit about its dynamics before jumping in with a blatant troll of a post like the original. You wanna come play with the big kids? Great. We love fresh meat. Try asking a serious question first instead of making with this tripe.

Since you and so many of the other geniuses around here fail at English, let me set you straight. The difference between what I stated and what you complete f'uckwits seem to wanna compare it to is that I am not a) a citizen in a foreign country, b) offering safe harbor to people who kidnap foreigners, parade them in front of a video camera and proceed to chop their heads off or c) in danger of becoming either of those any time soon. My kid is 8 months old and can distinguish between an analogy that works and an amalgamation of crap so thick you can't shovel it until it gets a good soaking.

Last, but not least, and again to all of you half-wit f'ucking FFXI, WoW and EQ2 retards that find themselves recent additions to our humble abode, please, find more of my posts and demonstrate your displeasure with my opinions and humorous style. I'm pretty sure it won't matter one bit. :)