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#1 Jan 17 2005 at 6:02 PM Rating: Decent
Is the US now intent on starting a war with Iran?

From The New Yorker comes this article by journalist Seymour Hersh, known for breaking the Abu Ghraib scandal:

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?050124fa_fact

It's a very long article, but in it he claims the US neo-cons are intent upon launching a new war in Iran, presumably (I take it) before the end of Bush's term. He claims US military special forces are on reconnaissance missions right now inside Iran looking for good targets and getting the scoop on WMD places (so we won't look like idiots twice in a row). Also there is reference to an initiative by Donald Rumsfeld to use military special forces more like CIA ops do--search-and-destroy, recon, assassination, etc.

Here's a couple of quotes:

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The Administration has been conducting secret reconnaissance missions inside Iran at least since last summer. Much of the focus is on the accumulation of intelligence and targeting information on Iranian nuclear, chemical, and missile sites, both declared and suspected. The goal is to identify and isolate three dozen, and perhaps more, such targets that could be destroyed by precision strikes and short-term commando raids. “The civilians in the Pentagon want to go into Iran and destroy as much of the military infrastructure as possible,” the government consultant with close ties to the Pentagon told me.


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In my interviews over the past two months, I was given a much harsher view. The hawks in the Administration believe that it will soon become clear that the Europeans’ negotiated approach cannot succeed, and that at that time the Administration will act. “We’re not dealing with a set of National Security Council option papers here,” the former high-level intelligence official told me. “They’ve already passed that wicket. It’s not if we’re going to do anything against Iran. They’re doing it.”


Pentagon spokesman *somebody* dismisses the article as factually inaccurate to the point it should be seen as uncredible in its entirety (sorry on quote, I don't like the Pentagon).

I see three possibilities:

1. Seymour Hersh is wrong or is lying. Considering his Abu Ghraib story, and some other story he got right, this doesn't seem very likely. Possible sure, but I'd think he'd be fairly careful in keeping his rep. He is a flaming liberal, but that doesn't mean he's wrong.

2. This is a misinformation propaganda campaign to frighten Iran into compliance with nuclear negotiations (as Hersh theorizes briefly in the article). Hersh's sources could be feeding him this info. The problem here is one of threat vs. action. Bush and the neo-cons don't seem the type to dangle something like this then NOT follow through if Iran doesn't take the bait by relaxing their nuke stance.

3. The article is entirely true and we'll be at war with Iran sometime in the next couple of years. Needless to say this is a distinct possibility considering the utter incompetence and idiocy of Bush and the neocons.
#2 Jan 17 2005 at 6:11 PM Rating: Decent
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I see a fourth

4. we are all f*cked.

But if i would like to think it is probably 2. however i am giving the Bush administration far more credit than they desserve.

My only side note is that the only people i trust less than the American Govenment, is any Journalist.
#3 Jan 17 2005 at 6:17 PM Rating: Good
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I doubt we will, especially considering that an invasion of Iran would be suicide. Period.

Attacking a nation almost entirely populated by religious radicals = bad idea.
#4 Jan 17 2005 at 6:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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Attacking a nation almost entirely populated by religious radicals = US Foreign Policy since 1967
FTFY
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#5 Jan 17 2005 at 6:27 PM Rating: Decent
The One and Only scubamage wrote:
I doubt we will, especially considering that an invasion of Iran would be suicide. Period.

Attacking a nation almost entirely populated by religious radicals = bad idea.


I totally agree on what would happen. The problem is the Bush Administration doesn't seem to rely on logic to make its decisions. Wolfowitz and the others probably still would think the Iranian populace would welcome us as their freers from a theocracy.

I also agree with Tarv that #2 seems the likeliest, but I've grown used to being suprised at how much I've overestimated the BA's intelligence level.

It was funny how right after the Gulf War started we began sending warnings to Syria and Iran--one time inferring Syria had taken in Iraq's WMD, another that Iran was doing something nefarious. Seemed to be a tentative gauge of public reaction to another invasion, even with Iraq underway. Now that Bush has gotten his "endorsement" via the election, that might be all he feels he needs to resume his War on the Mid-East, err, I mean War on Terror.

#7 Jan 17 2005 at 7:06 PM Rating: Decent
Update:

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#8 Jan 17 2005 at 8:07 PM Rating: Default
Big surprise there. Just as with Iraq, the administration will find a reason to go to war with Iran as soon as they can convince the US populace that we have enough troops to do so. It has been on Wolfowitz's and Cheney's agenda since before Bush Jr. got elected for his 1'st term in 2000.

Also a big surprise that the White House/pentagon would jump all over this as bogus. They don't want this stuff leaking out until they have their rational spun to the point of believability (which doesn't have to be much for most Bush supporters).
#9 Jan 18 2005 at 12:49 AM Rating: Good
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Hersh's bonafides are no more credible than his last story. While he may have broken the Abu Ghraib story, just ask Pierre Salinger about his reputation and credibility. Oh, yeah. You can't since he's dead. But the point remains valid that he was a respected journalist after his stint as JFK's press secretary, but a few short years ago he discredited himself by insisting we shot down an airliner with a Navy frigate departing out of New York, when it turned out the fuel cells ignited from faulty wiring.

This is not to say we don't have operatives in Iran, but predicting we are going in guns blazing based on his say-so isn't enough evidence for me to get my panties in a bundle like Squirrelnutz is doing. Between shadowrelm, Deathwysh, and Squirrelnutz running about and screaming the sky is falling, the hype around here has grown to epic proportions.

Besides, even if it were true, what of it? Having Iran in chaos would be terrific for the Middle East.

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#10 Jan 18 2005 at 1:44 AM Rating: Default
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Attacking a nation almost entirely populated by religious radicals = bad idea.


It is not a bad idea when the majority of the youth of Iran is already rallying behind western ideology. It has been going on for some time. All we have been waiting for is a crack in the defense and we will invade. Also crushing there military will be as easy as it was in Iraq. The occupation will defiantly be more painful if we fail to assassinate the state funded Hezbollah terrorist organization. Hezbollah is far more dangerous and better trained then Alqaida ever was.
#11 Jan 18 2005 at 4:02 AM Rating: Decent
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Do you honestly think the nations youth will still be wanting western influence after the first missile hits a school or Mosque?

America invading ANOTHER islamic country in the next 3 years is probably the most likely thing to unite the Islamic world into a REAL Jihad.
#12 Jan 18 2005 at 7:21 AM Rating: Decent
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It is not a bad idea when the majority of the youth of Iran is already rallying behind western ideology. It has been going on for some time. All we have been waiting for is a crack in the defense and we will invade.


Not that I care much since I live on the other side of the world, but isn't it better to support a revolution? I can't imagine the US would invading another country while they still don't have their stuff stable in Iraq, plus it won't draw any more hate from the middle east.Or is it just a good reason to leave Iraq?

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It is not a bad idea when the majority of the youth of Iran is already rallying behind western ideology.


Don't forget those are the YOUTH of the CITIES. There are still many people in the desert who like to blow themselves up.
#13 Jan 18 2005 at 7:57 AM Rating: Decent
Its propaganda...plain and simple. The media publishes a lot of things concerning troop movement and weapon cache locations, however it is published long after the intentions are already met, or was just said to distract attention from another cause. 9/10 it never took place period. Our government, not just Bush's administration, has used the media to psych out our would-be enemies since veitnam. Nothing new and wont ever stop, it simply works to well.

And as per the ease of crushing Iraqs military...hate to tell ya...there is still a very large rebel force in much of iraq that targets both US soldiers and bases, as well as political leaders and would-be protectors of the Iraqi populous itself.

Edited, Tue Jan 18 08:07:51 2005 by wenluene
#14 Jan 18 2005 at 8:33 AM Rating: Good
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The thing is, a large part of Iraq's populace was rallying behind western ideologies too. Remember the reports from the gulf war of how Iraqi soldiers would confront American soldiers, lay down their arms, and just walk to our side? Who sees that happening now? Where is the support now?

Also, hezbollah is in a lot more places than just Iran. They may be state funded, but they've also got a hell of a lot of influence in Kuwait, UAE, Iran, Egypt, etc. Attacking their heart in Iran would almost assuredly be disasterous... especially when Hezbollah hasn't really been very Anti-American. Most of their attacks have been against westernized leaders in their own countries... Egypt comes to mind.
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